Should the "GOAT" Belichick be on the hot seat?

[belcherboy]

I'm just not seeing him as being a great coach. I think he's had 1 winning season as a head coach without Tom Brady (although he may have more, I haven't looked it up). I think he is a great defensive coordinator that worked well with the best game QB in the history of the NFL. Each season makes me think less and less of him as being even a top 5 coach all time. Although, I would never argue he isn't a top 3 coach right now, but he is slowly moving down the list each season without Tom...in my opinion.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Probably a bottom 2 GM in the league right now. Baalke in Jacksonville is kinda bad, too, but he seems to have lucked into Trevor Lawrence and out of Urban Meyer. With Brady bailing I think even he saw that Belichick the GM was a hot mes

He reminds of Yoko w/o John. Beatles for the younger crowd

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

Tom Landry was fired. Don't see why Little Bill can’t meet the same fate.

 

[belcherboy]

Tom Landry was fired. Don't see why Little Bill can’t meet the same fate.

That worked out well for Dallas. Wasn't Jimmy hired right after Landry?

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Meanwhile a great coach like Gibbs wins 3 titles with 3 different quarterbacks

BB has two more rings as a DC. One with Phil Simms at QB(final score 39 - 20) and one with Jeff Hostetler(final score 20 - 19). The Bills were heavily favored and got stymied by BB's defense.

I know it ain't the same as being the HC but you can't discount BB's success in big games.

And yes, having a QB like Brady all those years certainly helped mask deficiencies but some of those SB's were won on defense.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Tom Landry was fired. Don't see why Little Bill can’t meet the same fate.

Billy should be fired, no loyalty with TB or Gronk. 2 of the greatest PaTS

 

[Center Ice]

Tom Landry was fired. Don't see why Little Bill can’t meet the same fate.

If he loses next week against the Bills, the seat will be very warm.

 

[Clayton]

I know it ain't the same as being the HC but you can't discount BB's success in big games.

And yes, having a QB like Brady all those years certainly helped mask deficiencies but some of those SB's were won on defense.

Yeah, I know there was a stat of 'BB vs the #1 offense' whoever it was and it was a ridiculously impressive stat. He is an outlier as a coach and one of the best.

That said, you can't win with mediocre players. It probably only takes about 3 years of poor GM moves to go from Super Bowl contender to the basement.

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

That worked out well for Dallas. Wasn't Jimmy hired right after Landry?

Under a different owner… and you can make the argument that had he been given better players Landry would have survived the ownership change. Most Cowboys fans (including myself) pretty much agree - the talent on those late 80’s teams was what got him fired - not the game “passing him by”. And the front office was responsible for the talent.

 

[Carnzo]

If he loses next week against the Bills, the seat will be very warm.

We know that the next two games are lost already. Bills and Miami are better teams, no question.

 

[Judge Fudge]

I'd give him another year.

 

[Carnzo]

I'd give him another year.

Said the Seahawks fan lol

 

[sonnyblack65]

Under a different owner… and you can make the argument that had he been given better players Landry would have survived the ownership change. Most Cowboys fans (including myself) pretty much agree - the talent on those late 80’s teams was what got him fired - not the game “passing him by”. And the front office was responsible for the talent.

How many coaches/gm have to have to be pay the highest guy? 27 mill waste of money who has the worst picks I have ever seen in BB's contract

 

[Edonidd]

Billy should be fired, no loyalty with TB or Gronk. 2 of the greatest PaTS

It's "The Patriot Way" I can't argue with firing him by that logic.

He had their leading receiver Troy Brown play defense and sacrifice his offensive numbers to help the team. Then cut him that off-season for "salary cap reasons." He's never had any loyalty, it's just about winning. It's almost fitting to fire his ass.

But I will say a lot of this what have you done for me lately stuff is nonsense. Definitely the first one, but quite a few of those old Superbowls Brady wasn't really Brady yet, and the defense was what won those first several.

 

[sonnyblack65]

It's "The Patriot Way" I can't argue with firing him by that logic.

He had their leading receiver Troy Brown play defense and sacrifice his offensive numbers to help the team. Then cut him that off-season for "salary cap reasons." He's never had any loyalty, it's just about winning. It's almost fitting to fire his ass.

But I will say a lot of this what have you done for me lately stuff is nonsense. Definitely the first one, but quite a few of those old Superbowls Brady wasn't really Brady yet, and the defense was what won those first several.10

100% but BB has shown shit before after TB left, guy is a loser

 

[Judge Fudge]

Said the Seahawks fan lol

Not that. To me it's a Respect thing. Like Noll with the Steelers

He's done alot for that organization. Championships, team of 2 decades....

He deserves another year.

All that said. He leaves, another team will snatch him up quickly for their HC vancany

 

[sharkymcwrath]

He had their leading receiver Troy Brown play defense and sacrifice his offensive numbers to help the team. Then cut him that off-season for "salary cap reasons."

That is complete fucking bullshit. Troy played out his contract and wasn't going to be resigned. He retired with Kraft and Belichick by his side.

And now he's a coach on the team.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Not that. To me it's a Respect thing. Like Noll with the Steelers

He's done alot for that organization. Championships, team of 2 decades....

He deserves another year.

All that said. He leaves, another team will snatch him up quickly for their HC vancany

You are stupid

 

[Judge Fudge]

You are stupid

Y?

Just Stating my opinion

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

How many coaches/gm have to have to be pay the highest guy? 27 mill waste of money who has the worst picks I have ever seen in BB's contract

It’s always the Coach and/or the GM that take the fall. In Bill’s case - he’s both.