Richardson and Ingram are epic busts.

[Codaxx]

He ran zone plays at Alabama, so nope.

It's all about the number of carries. How do football fans not know this? You have to keep pounding the ball and eventually they are going to break a couple of long ones which is where their big yards come from.

40 yards on 10 carries only for an entire game, and that is supposed to be bad? Really?

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Bama was so dominant that picking holes was quite simple. The carries thing is a over-played. He is under 3.5 average per rush. Its not like he is averaging 5.0 per and not getting carries. It one thing to bitch about carries when you are optimizing you current load, quite another when you are performing at average or slightly below.

 

[Codaxx]

As for McClain. He is from my hometown and his biggest problem is going back there. I will NEVER move back to that city, it's worse than Oakland. You have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to that stuff.

I don't think he is a student assistant either, but I know he is getting help from the staff. Which is funny because most people like to claim Alabama/Saban doesn't give a crap about people like him. He went back to get his degree.

Obviously McClain is a bust NFL wise because of his attitude. If he would stay away from Decatur and people from Decatur he would be much better off. If you've never been there, you are clueless.

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Dee Milliner - a rookie. A rookie who plays. Enough said.

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What I said about RB's had nothing to do with them playing for Alabama, it's the fact of all RB's. Look at the guy who put up Ingrams stats, 17 carries ALL YEAR. A RB that would have over 100 yards of rushing in a game gets about 40% more carries in a single game than he has gotten all year.

that is why he is a bust. 17 carries.

 

[4down20]

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Bama was so dominant that picking holes was quite simple. The carries thing is a over-played. He is under 3.5 average per rush. Its not like he is averaging 5.0 per and not getting carries. It one thing to bitch about carries when you are optimizing you current load, quite another when you are performing at average or slightly below.

You do understand that the big long runs that eventually happen are what gets a RB's average up right?

 

[4down20]

that is why he is a bust. 17 carries.

Because it surely has nothing to do with sharing carries or being on a team that isn't based on running the ball!

 

[Codaxx]

Because it surely has nothing to do with sharing carries or being on a team that isn't based on running the ball!

No, based on the 4 other RBs that have more carries.

 

[Codaxx]

You do understand that the big long runs that eventually happen are what gets a RB's average up right?

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you do understand this was career numbers? 359 runs and the longest is 32 yards.

 

[4down20]

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you do understand this was career numbers? 359 runs and the longest is 32 yards.

He's never had break away speed and that isn't the type of RB he is. His entire career he has average 10 carries a game. That's not a number of carries that is going to equal out too much.

The Saint's top RB as of right now averages 31 yards per game and his longest run is 13 yards. He averages 3.2 yards per carry.

The longest run any of their RB's has is 21 yards. He has 5 yards per carry average, but still only averages 34 yards per game.

So pretty much, all their RB's have the same stats as Ingram over the past couple of years. How many RB's are needed to have basically the same stats before we say - well maybe the team itself has a lot to do with it?

 

[TexasExes98]

Not everyone can be Adrian Peterson and DeMarco Murray.

Peterson I'll give you. This might be "Glass" Murray's last year as a Cowboy and in the NFL. Playing 5-6 games a year then missing the rest b/c of injury is getting old. If Randle has a good game against Philly this Sunday, Murray may be out the door. Too fragile....

 

[Codaxx]

He's never had break away speed and that isn't the type of RB he is. His entire career he has average 10 carries a game. That's not a number of carries that is going to equal out too much.

The Saint's top RB as of right now averages 31 yards per game and his longest run is 13 yards. He averages 3.2 yards per carry.

The longest run any of their RB's has is 21 yards. He has 5 yards per carry average, but still only averages 34 yards per game.

So pretty much, all their RB's have the same stats as Ingram over the past couple of years. How many RB's are needed to have basically the same stats before we say - well maybe the team itself has a lot to do with it?

Richardson averaged about 18 carries a game last yr. No idea where you get 10 carries from. Likely, trying to include some of the Indy time, where he was adjusting to the offense.
Ingram is averaging 1.8 yards. Thomas at 3.2, Sproles at 3.9, and Robinson at 5.3. Saints are not a running team, but the fact that a 1st round pick has not wrestled the job away is an indictment of his perceived value coming into the draft.

 

[4down20]

Richardson averaged about 18 carries a game last yr. No idea where you get 10 carries from. Likely, trying to include some of the Indy time, where he was adjusting to the offense.
Ingram is averaging 1.8 yards. Thomas at 3.2, Sproles at 3.9, and Robinson at 5.3. Saints are not a running team, but the fact that a 1st round pick has not wrestled the job away is an indictment of his perceived value coming into the draft.

Richardson is getting that many at Indy yes. And at Cleveland he set records for the browns for a rookie, despite being basically the only offensive weapon for them. Did you see him run last year at all? He was a beast.

Ingram has been hurt this year and has only played in 2 games. If you look at his stats from previous years they are exactly the same as the other RB's. I don't think the Saints have any notion to make any 1 RB their primary back considering the number of RB's they keep and they type of offense they run. They use them as specialists.

 

[Codaxx]

Richardson is getting that many at Indy yes. And at Cleveland he set records for the browns for a rookie, despite being basically the only offensive weapon for them. Did you see him run last year at all? He was a beast.

Ingram has been hurt this year and has only played in 2 games. If you look at his stats from previous years they are exactly the same as the other RB's. I don't think the Saints have any notion to make any 1 RB their primary back considering the number of RB's they keep and they type of offense they run. They use them as specialists.

I think Trent is a talent. I have been surprised by his lack of production. Peyton Hillis was pretty solid in that offense the preceding 2 yrs. You are argument falls flat, because you continue to say they are in-line with other backs on the team. You do not draft guys in the first round that are producing like average players. Neither back has produced much more than the average replacement. I still hold out hope on Richardson. Ingram has inspired little confidence.

 

[Wishbone]

Peterson I'll give you. This might be "Glass" Murray's last year as a Cowboy and in the NFL. Playing 5-6 games a year then missing the rest b/c of injury is getting old. If Randle has a good game against Philly this Sunday, Murray may be out the door. Too fragile....

Ha, DeMarco Murray has already broken Emmitt Smiths single game rushing record. He a top 5 back in the league right now.

 

[4down20]

I think Trent is a talent. I have been surprised by his lack of production. Peyton Hillis was pretty solid in that offense the preceding 2 yrs. You are argument falls flat, because you continue to say they are in-line with other backs on the team. You do not draft guys in the first round that are producing like average players. Neither back has produced much more than the average replacement. I still hold out hope on Richardson. Ingram has inspired little confidence.

I just think you don't understand what NO does with their RB's. I don't see how any RB of any quality is going to do well there.

 

[TexasExes98]

Richardson is getting that many at Indy yes. And at Cleveland he set records for the browns for a rookie, despite being basically the only offensive weapon for them. Did you see him run last year at all? He was a beast.

Ingram has been hurt this year and has only played in 2 games. If you look at his stats from previous years they are exactly the same as the other RB's. I don't think the Saints have any notion to make any 1 RB their primary back considering the number of RB's they keep and they type of offense they run. They use them as specialists.

I think you're missing the point though. You don't draft a RB in the 1st round so he can share carries with 2 other RB's. Clearly, the Saints do not have confidence in Ingram to be the every down back if he can't beat out 2 undrafted players in Pierre Thomas and Khiry Robinson.

 

[4down20]

I think you're missing the point though. You don't draft a RB in the 1st round so he can share carries with 2 other RB's. Clearly, the Saints do not have confidence in Ingram to be the every down back if he can't beat out 2 undrafted players in Pierre Thomas and Khiry Robinson.

The Saints don't want an every down back and it's not how their system works.

 

[TexasExes98]

Ha, DeMarco Murray has already broken Emmitt Smiths single game rushing record. He a top 5 back in the league right now.

Who cares about all of that if he's only good for 5-6 games a year. He won't be top 5 too long b/c he's hurt. Die hard Cowboys fan here and I would love for Murray to play a full season just once b/c I think he could lead the league in rushing, but just like in college, he's too fragile and injury prone. Don't be surprised if he's cut at the end of the season if Joseph Randle steps up while Murray is hurt.

 

[TexasExes98]

The Saints don't want an every down back and it's not how their system works.

So you're trying to tell me they drafted a RB in the 1st round and paid him millions to split carries with two undrafted RB's? That's what I'm hearing, right?

 

[4down20]

So you're trying to tell me they drafted a RB in the 1st round and paid him millions to split carries with two undrafted RB's? That's what I'm hearing, right?

The current RB's aren't all the same ones they had when he was drafted, but pretty much. Hell they had Reggie Bush when they drafted him. Reggie Bush did basically the same thing as Ingram did while @ NO. Then after 5 years with the saints and his biggest season being less than 600 yards on the year, he gets traded to the Dolphins where he promptly has a 1000 yard season.

He followed that up with just under 1000 the next season, and now he is with Detriot where he has a good chance of being another 1000 yard rusher on the year.

Again I ask, how many RB's does this have to happen to with the Saints before we say - well maybe the team has something to do with it?

 

[TexasExes98]

The current RB's aren't all the same ones they had when he was drafted, but pretty much. Hell they had Reggie Bush when they drafted him. Reggie Bush did basically the same thing as Ingram did while @ NO. Then after 5 years with the saints and his biggest season being less than 600 yards on the year, he gets traded to the Dolphins where he promptly has a 1000 yard season.

He followed that up with just under 1000 the next season, and now he is with Detriot where he has a good chance of being another 1000 yard rusher on the year.

Again I ask, how many RB's does this have to happen to with the Saints before we say - well maybe the team has something to do with it?

I know what you're saying; it makes perfect sense. But I think N.O. took another chance to draft a RB in the 1st round to be the premier, every down back, otherwise, why draft one in the 1st round when you can find a quality RB in the later rounds just to split carries? You're right, though, maybe Ingram needs to be traded to another team where he can flash his talents better, the way Bush did when he was traded.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

So you're trying to tell me they drafted a RB in the 1st round and paid him millions to split carries with two undrafted RB's? That's what I'm hearing, right?

I wont tap into this argument except to say if you look at how many RB's the Saints have had in the last several years, you will see they are expendable items to that team, their bread and butter is Breeze and his cast of receivers. They run about 33% of the time and pass the rest. This is about the same average they have had, within a few points up or down, for the past few years. You can see that having RB's to them is only meant to account for a third of the offensive production, and having a couple of undrafted backs, with a couple of veterans should also tell you something. This is not as important a part of their offense as pass blockers and high flying, sure handed receivers are. JMO