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[RememberTheKoy]

OK so you still refuse to answer the original question. Was Philly the only dominant team like you tried to claim?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

There were other good teams. I don't understand what that has to do with a championship being a fluke though. It makes literally no sense.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

There were other good teams. I don't understand what that has to do with a championship being a fluke though. It makes literally no sense.

Thanks for playing.
You are the weakest link.

 

[SteelersPride]

Thanks for playing.
You are the weakest link.

he doesnt see it

 

[NWPATSFAN]

he doesnt see it

I tried to keep it simple for him

 

[PDay8810]

This thread resembles Dumb & Dumber

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Thanks for playing.
You are the weakest link.

Seriously, explain the logic behind since there were multiple good teams, as there are literally every single season, that it is thus a fluke Super Bowl win? Doesn't that make every Super Bowl winner a fluke winner?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Eagles have been doing that for decades now. Releasing and moving on from players. That's what they prepare for. That's why they have remained one of the most stable organizations in football. Wake me when the cap is actually an issue for the Eagles.

this is literally what people are telling you.
When you have to release or let players walk to be under the cap & you replace them with lesser players.
That is a cap issue.

Realistically there will never be a cap hell as we remember it anymore.
One. everyone has learned from mistakes made from the early years in the cap era, but more importantly. They arent paying gazillions of dollars to unproven rookies anymore. While trying to keep quality veterans. So there really isnt a cap hell anymore. But there is cap issues. the eagles have been playing that game the last couple years. the Rams are now in that game.
The cap is an ebb & flow. All teams will land there every so often. Acting like your not, doesnt change the fact that you are.
Restructuring is kicking the can down the road (for any team)
There is never a time where a team wont get below the cap. Point being made is what compromises did you have to unwilling do to make that happen. Your team is worse now than when you started down this road of "nothing to see here"

 

[EKA]

You wanna see salty watch...

Patriots Super Bowl win: 6
Patriots Legitimate Super Bowl wins: 1 (last one)

Red Sox fans before Brady/Belichick: A Nation
Patriot fans before Brady/Belichick: We have an NFL team?

Red Sox Nation is getting all their pats "fans" back in full force soon. The Pats were an afterthought before this run. They're gonna go back to an afterthought in the Boston area once the shine of Brady/Belichick wears off.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

this is literally what people are telling you.
When you have to release or let players walk to be under the cap & you replace them with lesser players.
That is a cap issue.

Realistically there will never be a cap hell as we remember it anymore.
One. everyone has learned from mistakes made from the early years in the cap era, but more importantly. They arent paying gazillions of dollars to unproven rookies anymore. While trying to keep quality veterans. So there really isnt a cap hell anymore. But there is cap issues. the eagles have been playing that game the last couple years. the Rams are now in that game.
The cap is an ebb & flow. All teams will land there every so often. Acting like your not, doesnt change the fact that you are.
Restructuring is kicking the can down the road (for any team)
There is never a time where a team wont get below the cap. Point being made is what compromises did you have to unwilling do to make that happen. Your team is worse now than when you started down this road of "nothing to see here"

That isn't a cap issue. Eagles aren't getting rid of players in their primes with their best days ahead of them. The Eagles, with the exception of a few players over the last couple of years, have always operated on a philosophy to part ways with a player a year early rather than a year late. That's just how well run teams like the Eagles and Patriots operate. The Eagles primary core is in place and locked up. After this year in 2021 if Jeffery and DeSean (will be 34 heading into a season where he will turn 35) that frees up $13M in cap space right there. There are going to be extensions coming in this year for players like Ertz that will be worked in a way to also drop their 2021 cap figure. Either that or Ertz is traded for some great return and Eagles roll with the younger Goedert who will be just entering his prime at that point. Rosaman has the cap situation on lockdown. There never has been and never will be a cap problem with the Eagles.


There is a cap hell and we are seeing it from teams like the Rams. They are just dumping players this off season because they have just tremendously botched everything.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

That isn't a cap issue. Eagles aren't getting rid of players in their primes with their best days ahead of them. The Eagles, with the exception of a few players over the last couple of years, have always operated on a philosophy to part ways with a player a year early rather than a year late. That's just how well run teams like the Eagles and Patriots operate. The Eagles primary core is in place and locked up. After this year in 2021 if Jeffery and DeSean (will be 34 heading into a season where he will turn 35) that frees up $13M in cap space right there. There are going to be extensions coming in this year for players like Ertz that will be worked in a way to also drop their 2021 cap figure. Either that or Ertz is traded for some great return and Eagles roll with the younger Goedert who will be just entering his prime at that point. Rosaman has the cap situation on lockdown. There never has been and never will be a cap problem with the Eagles.


There is a cap hell and we are seeing it from teams like the Rams. They are just dumping players this off season because they have just tremendously botched everything.

I'll keep this one short.
When you make Cap moves & your team gets worse.
That's an issue.

 

[EKA]

this is literally what people are telling you.
When you have to release or let players walk to be under the cap & you replace them with lesser players.
That is a cap issue.

Realistically there will never be a cap hell as we remember it anymore.
One. everyone has learned from mistakes made from the early years in the cap era, but more importantly. They arent paying gazillions of dollars to unproven rookies anymore. While trying to keep quality veterans. So there really isnt a cap hell anymore. But there is cap issues. the eagles have been playing that game the last couple years. the Rams are now in that game.
The cap is an ebb & flow. All teams will land there every so often. Acting like your not, doesnt change the fact that you are.
Restructuring is kicking the can down the road (for any team)
There is never a time where a team wont get below the cap. Point being made is what compromises did you have to unwilling do to make that happen. Your team is worse now than when you started down this road of "nothing to see here"

You tell us. Who do you think the Eagles let go unwillingly to make it happen? And be realistic, cause saying someone like Foles is dumb. No team could realistically keep 2 QB's making 20-30 million each so 1 had to go. The Eagles for 20+ years have targeted players to extend and have pretty much been able to get rid of players before their play lessened. Have they had some bad contracts? Of course. Have they made some mistakes with players? Of course. But, like I said, for the most part, players they've let go, have been by their choosing not by the cap hell so many here have been saying the Eagles are in.

 

[EKA]

I'll keep this one short.
When you make Cap moves & your team gets worse.
That's an issue.

Who? Who have the let go because of the cap that made them worse? I'm guessing you're going by FA's who they didn't resign in part because they didn't think the dollars were gonna match the production, but no team can resign everyone.

So who are the cap moves they've had to make because of cap hell?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

You tell us. Who do you think the Eagles let go unwillingly to make it happen? And be realistic, cause saying someone like Foles is dumb. No team could realistically keep 2 QB's making 20-30 million each so 1 had to go. The Eagles for 20+ years have targeted players to extend and have pretty much been able to get rid of players before their play lessened. Have they had some bad contracts? Of course. Have they made some mistakes with players? Of course. But, like I said, for the most part, players they've let go, have been by their choosing not by the cap hell so many here have been saying the Eagles are in.

I just got done saying you are not in cap hell (no one is)
but I laugh at all the times its been pointed out about kicking the can & you guys act like you're not.
Some have actually been proud to talk about putting bonuses past the actual contract as a good thing. it might be a necessary thing, but definitely kicking the can down the road.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Who? Who have the let go because of the cap that made them worse? I'm guessing you're going by FA's who they didn't resign in part because they didn't think the dollars were gonna match the production, but no team can resign everyone.

So who are the cap moves they've had to make because of cap hell?

you had to work your way under the cap. you had to let people go or walk. & your team got worse. (or restructure kicking the can)
I am not gonna argue player for player so you can lose sight of this fact.

BTW no one blames the eagles for letting one of their starting Qbs go. (Foles) That has to happen in a cap era.

 

[EKA]

I just got done saying you are not in cap hell (no one is)
but I laugh at all the times its been pointed out about kicking the can & you guys act like you're not.
Some have actually been proud to talk about putting bonuses past the actual contract as a good thing. it might be a necessary thing, but definitely kicking the can down the road.

What exactly is kicking the can down the road? All teams do extensions and contract manipulation to "kick the can down the road". Every single one of them. The good teams, that stay in contention for long periods, manage that so they don't get in a situation where they need a fire sale to get under the cap. The Eagles are one of those teams. They've don't it for 20+ years since Joe Banner.

That kicking the can as you say is nothing more than dead money on a cap. You don't think teams have dead money allocated to a portion of their cap? It's when the bad contracts that the dead money percentage cant handle that teams get in cap trouble and have to release players they don't want to because of the cap. The Eagles, for the most part, have not been in this situation the last 20+ years.

you had to work your way under the cap. you had to let people go or walk. & your team got worse. (or restructure kicking the can)
I am not gonna argue player for player so you can lose sight of this fact.

BTW no one blames the eagles for letting one of their starting Qbs go. (Foles) That has to happen in a cap era.

You know as well as I do, there was post after post about the Eagles letting Foles go because of the cap. You may not have been one of the fools that argued they let Foles go because they were in cap hell, but many did.

Like I said, give me examples of the players the Eagles "unwillingly" (your word not mine) go to get under the cap. It's been quite the opposite where they've been able to be players in free agency and keep their core in place. You can argue they've made mistakes in their evaluation and signed/drafted the wrong player or let someone go who could still play. But, you can't argue they've let players go unwillingly due to their cap situation.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

I'll keep this one short.
When you make Cap moves & your team gets worse.
That's an issue.

Every move is a cap move. Dumping Alshon Jeffery next season is not going to make the team worse. Dumping what will be a 35 year old DeSean next season will ideally not be making the team worse at that point if they hit on WR in this draft.


The Eagles aren't the Cowboys who mismanage the cap and as a result have to watch young players like Byron Jones walk away.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

What exactly is kicking the can down the road? All teams do extensions and contract manipulation to "kick the can down the road". Every single one of them. The good teams, that stay in contention for long periods, manage that so they don't get in a situation where they need a fire sale to get under the cap. The Eagles are one of those teams. They've don't it for 20+ years since Joe Banner.

That kicking the can as you say is nothing more than dead money on a cap. You don't think teams have dead money allocated to a portion of their cap? It's when the bad contracts that the dead money percentage cant handle that teams get in cap trouble and have to release players they don't want to because of the cap. The Eagles, for the most part, have not been in this situation the last 20+ years.



You know as well as I do, there was post after post about the Eagles letting Foles go because of the cap. You may not have been one of the fools that argued they let Foles go because they were in cap hell, but many did.

Like I said, give me examples of the players the Eagles "unwillingly" (your word not mine) go to get under the cap. It's been quite the opposite where they've been able to be players in free agency and keep their core in place. You can argue they've made mistakes in their evaluation and signed/drafted the wrong player or let someone go who could still play. But, you can't argue they've let players go unwillingly due to their cap situation.

just realized how small of posts you have.
Maybe you dont know a lot of those things going back & forth with a particular loud mouth Eagle fan. LOL
I completely agree all teams do it. Pointing this out to a select few Eagle fans they thought nope. Howie is a genius & everyone else was making mistakes. When as you say. Everyone does it. Ever since many have been pointing out all the times the can gets kicked down the road by the eagles, so those few can deny it is happening. Because well. it is happening. I think (dont know) that when some say cap hell to those select few it is just to trigger them. (there really isnt a cap hell anymore)
As an Eagle poster, you seem much more logical than some. Also I think you & I are thinking similar to wear the eagles are. not ideal but the sky isnt falling. When you guys were 20 mil over, dont try & make me believe you didnt make moves you otherwise wouldnt have. (they are necessities) Also that means you cant make other aggressive moves you might have if not over the cap (or pressed against it) it is what it is. The team is a lesser team right now than who they were in 2017. All teams will go through that. hell I would have no problem with the Cowboys going through it with a superbowl title attached to it. So just cant acknowledge that. They are just great at everything they do at all times. I dont know but Howie might have been one of the early ones to figure out how to manipulate the cap, but nowadays he is no different than 20+ other GMs doing it. Wentz contract was a good contrat for the Eagles. (used his injuries against him) but some of the others far from top 5. jeffrey extension complete fuck up. Could be wrong but dont believe his drafting is all that either. (dont really study the eagles draftpicks) So no I dont think he is a genius (or everyone has caught up either way) & right now is overrated. Just dont think he is top 5. I would have the Seahawks GM over the eagles easily.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Every move is a cap move. Dumping Alshon Jeffery next season is not going to make the team worse. Dumping what will be a 35 year old DeSean next season will ideally not be making the team worse at that point if they hit on WR in this draft.


The Eagles aren't the Cowboys who mismanage the cap and as a result have to watch young players like Byron Jones walk away.

LOL some of those FA you brought in for cap moves are the ones you are talking of getting rid of to make smart cap moves (which this time around I would agree) D-Jax & some FA that are already gone were guys you guys were bragging about. Making those moves. Which now seems like mistakes.

Byron Jones is an unfortunate loss. Also most likely whoever we bring in wont be as good.
However I would rather lose Jones than way over pay for him. (something the Pats have mastered)
Also this will happen from time to time when so many guys are coming off rookie deals if your GM is drafting well. You cant keep everybody. (Ask Seattle)
Dont know how you can claim we are mismanaging the cap when we have had plenty of cap to spare or use. Not signing Jones is a way of not mismanaging the cap.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

LOL some of those FA you brought in for cap moves are the ones you are talking of getting rid of to make smart cap moves (which this time around I would agree) D-Jax & some FA that are already gone were guys you guys were bragging about. Making those moves. Which now seems like mistakes.

Byron Jones is an unfortunate loss. Also most likely whoever we bring in wont be as good.
However I would rather lose Jones than way over pay for him. (something the Pats have mastered)
Also this will happen from time to time when so many guys are coming off rookie deals if your GM is drafting well. You cant keep everybody. (Ask Seattle)
Dont know how you can claim we are mismanaging the cap when we have had plenty of cap to spare or use. Not signing Jones is a way of not mismanaging the cap.

Who did we bring in as cap moves that I am talking about getting rid of to make cap moves? Jackson wasn't brought in as some cap saving move. Jackson was brought in because our team desperately needed an outside deep threat and he had become available in a trade. They signed him to a 3 year extension that gives them an out next year. That isn't some casualty of bad camp management, that is proper management and planning of the cap and contracts. Trading for Jackson wasn't a mistake either. We saw what he could do in the game one fully game he played last season. If they can get even 10 games out of him next season he will be an impact player for them.


Had to let Jones walk because you are about to make Dak Prescott the highest paid QB in the history of the league. And that is only if the Cowboys are smart enough to get a deal done before the Mahomes extension. If they wait till after they might not make him the highest paid QB ever but they will end up paying him a lot more than if they were able to sign him before the Mahomes extension.

 

[EKA]

just realized how small of posts you have.
Maybe you dont know a lot of those things going back & forth with a particular loud mouth Eagle fan. LOL
I completely agree all teams do it. Pointing this out to a select few Eagle fans they thought nope. Howie is a genius & everyone else was making mistakes. When as you say. Everyone does it. Ever since many have been pointing out all the times the can gets kicked down the road by the eagles, so those few can deny it is happening. Because well. it is happening. I think (dont know) that when some say cap hell to those select few it is just to trigger them. (there really isnt a cap hell anymore)
As an Eagle poster, you seem much more logical than some. Also I think you & I are thinking similar to wear the eagles are. not ideal but the sky isnt falling. When you guys were 20 mil over, dont try & make me believe you didnt make moves you otherwise wouldnt have. (they are necessities) Also that means you cant make other aggressive moves you might have if not over the cap (or pressed against it) it is what it is. The team is a lesser team right now than who they were in 2017. All teams will go through that. hell I would have no problem with the Cowboys going through it with a superbowl title attached to it. So just cant acknowledge that. They are just great at everything they do at all times. I dont know but Howie might have been one of the early ones to figure out how to manipulate the cap, but nowadays he is no different than 20+ other GMs doing it. Wentz contract was a good contrat for the Eagles. (used his injuries against him) but some of the others far from top 5. jeffrey extension complete fuck up. Could be wrong but dont believe his drafting is all that either. (dont really study the eagles draftpicks) So no I dont think he is a genius (or everyone has caught up either way) & right now is overrated. Just dont think he is top 5. I would have the Seahawks GM over the eagles easily.

Yeah, I know who you mean. I came over to this site when KFFL shut down. I just don't post much, but I do read and, there's 4 or 5 posters who love to troll him and post complete horseshit that other Eagles fans come in to argue against them. These few would be the type to say the Byron Jones not being resigned was because of cap hell if it were the EAgles. In reality, he was a cap casualty because you cant pay everyone.

I think we're saying the same thing, just differ on certain points. There's been a lot of hits and some misses by Howie. That's any GM. He's not the best, but he's definitely up there overall.