Minnesota rules the world of football

[VikingFan2k2]

That happens when you are a Vikings fan. Has any team lost more Title games than the Vikes?

How many NFL teams are left that haven't won a Super Bowl?

This isn't about the Vikings. I'm a Gophers fan as well, but you're making all of us look like assholes every week. This was a season with the division as bad as it's ever going to be in our lifetimes and Fleck still couldn't capitalize.

 

[HawkFan]

This isn't about the Vikings. I'm a Gophers fan as well, but you're making all of us look like assholes every week. This was a season with the division as bad as it's ever going to be in our lifetimes and Fleck still couldn't capitalize.

This is kind of my point, and they still suck.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

This is kind of my point, and they still suck.

They don't suck. At least leave that title for Nebraska. Mediocre is the better word.

 

[HawkFan]

They don't suck. At least leave that title for Nebraska. Mediocre is the better word.

Fair

 

[RoyUte]

Gopher fans think about Minnesota alot. As do Badger and Hawkeye fans, Illini & Purdue fans as well.

Penn St fans thought a great deal about Minnesota, as did much of the cfb world in 2019 when UMn beat #5 ranked PSU, at least for a solid week of that season. PSU fans for the rest of their lives as a win that day would have had PSU ranked Top 4 at 9-0 going into the game with #2 OSU two weeks later. The loss to OSU may not have dropped PSU out of the Top 4? So that loss could have cost them a trip to the cfp?

All those team's fans just think about an easy win when thinking about Minnesota. None of them think about Minnesota ruling the world of college football, including Minnesota. Only superhomer Fred.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

All those team's fans just think about an easy win when thinking about Minnesota. None of them think about Minnesota ruling the world of college football, including Minnesota. Only superhomer Fred.

Nice win against overrated Oregon this weekend. Oh wait, Utah did NOT win that game, did they???

ANOTHER year of Utah NOT finishing Top 10 in the AP rankings? That would make it 14 straight?

So basically, Utah is totally IRRELEVANT.


If we limit it to Top 6 finishes, because we know no one wants to admit UMn's 2019 Top Ten season was a legit elite season, that leaves Utah with a grand total of TWO SEASONS in all of it's entire history where it was...

NOT A CHAMPION, but at least relevant.


TWO.


UMn has MORE Recognized Natl Titles in football than Utah has Top 16 finishes.


Is it unfair including Bernie Bierman's accomplishments at UMn in this comparison??


Excluding everything PRIOR to Bernie Bierman, UMn STILL has MORE Top Ten finishes than Utah, and of course, more Titles, since Utah has NONE.



And Utah's about to be one of the left behind schools of the Pac, if the Pac survives? With the Mountain West want them? Their schedules will at least get easier, so maybe they can get OVERRATED more often, when they don't have to play the likes of USC & UCLA, etc..

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

All those team's fans just think about an easy win when thinking about Minnesota. None of them think about Minnesota ruling the world of college football, including Minnesota. Only superhomer Fred.

You think PSU fans/players thought of UMn as an easy win in 2019? Maybe that is part of why PSU lost to UMn? Maybe Auburn thought the same thing going into that bowl game, the one Auburn lost to UMn.

You think Wisc fans/players thought of UMn as an easy win in 2021 & 2018? Maybe that is part of why UW lost to UMn?
And there was nothing "easy" about UW's win over Minnesota in 2020, either.

And there was nothing easy about Iowa's wins over UMn in their current 8 game win streak. 6 of those were 7 pt or less wins.


Pac conf has a losing record vs UMn.

 

[Wamu]

This is Minnesota's CFB resume.

They have seven CFB national titles. One in the 1900's. Three in the 1930's. Two in the 1940's. And their last one all the way back in 1960.

They finished the 1962 season ranked 10th. Then they didn't finish a season ranked in the top 25 again until 1999 (18th). This century they have finished a season ranked in the top 25 twice- 2003 (# 20) & 2019 (# 10).

They have only won double digit games in a season three times- 2019 (11-2), 2003 (10-3) & all the way back in 1900 (10-0-2).


I feel sorry for all the rational Gopher fans. freddy is an embarrassment to the fanbase.

 

[RoyUte]

Nice win against overrated Oregon this weekend. Oh wait, Utah did NOT win that game, did they???

ANOTHER year of Utah NOT finishing Top 10 in the AP rankings? That would make it 14 straight?

So basically, Utah is totally IRRELEVANT.


If we limit it to Top 6 finishes, because we know no one wants to admit UMn's 2019 Top Ten season was a legit elite season, that leaves Utah with a grand total of TWO SEASONS in all of it's entire history where it was...

NOT A CHAMPION, but at least relevant.


TWO.


UMn has MORE Recognized Natl Titles in football than Utah has Top 16 finishes.


Is it unfair including Bernie Bierman's accomplishments at UMn in this comparison??


Excluding everything PRIOR to Bernie Bierman, UMn STILL has MORE Top Ten finishes than Utah, and of course, more Titles, since Utah has NONE.



And Utah's about to be one of the left behind schools of the Pac, if the Pac survives? With the Mountain West want them? Their schedules will at least get easier, so maybe they can get OVERRATED more often, when they don't have to play the likes of USC & UCLA, etc..

Utah lost against Oregon, as would Minnesota.

Utah could still finish top 10, we'll see.

I'm glad you at least admit that Utah has went undefeated twice this century and been to 3 major bowls. How about Minnesota. Have they done anything relevant since you've been alive?

Do you see me saying Utah runs college football? How many weeks has Minnesota spent being ranked in the CFP rankings compared to Utah?
How about national titles of all sports between Utah and Minnesota since you like to bring that up?


Who the fuck is Bernie Bierman? Nobody gives two shits about Minnesota.

Utah has done just fine against SC and UCLA since joining the PAC. We know those two are about to own the shitty B1G West. Get ready for Minnesota never making their conference championship game.

 

[RoyUte]

You think PSU fans/players thought of UMn as an easy win in 2019? Maybe that is part of why PSU lost to UMn? Maybe Auburn thought the same thing going into that bowl game, the one Auburn lost to UMn.

You think Wisc fans/players thought of UMn as an easy win in 2021 & 2018? Maybe that is part of why UW lost to UMn?
And there was nothing "easy" about UW's win over Minnesota in 2020, either.

And there was nothing easy about Iowa's wins over UMn in their current 8 game win streak. 6 of those were 7 pt or less wins.


Pac conf has a losing record vs UMn.

That's cool that you can single out a few random years where Minnesota was able to pull an upset over those teams. There rest of the time Minnesota takes the L.

I don't care about the rest of the PAC. Does Utah?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

This isn't about the Vikings. I'm a Gophers fan as well, but you're making all of us look like assholes every week. This was a season with the division as bad as it's ever going to be in our lifetimes and Fleck still couldn't capitalize.

Was the West Division REALLY "as bad as it's ever going to be in our lifetimes"??? Or is that just your ignorant simple minded perception?


Not claiming the B1G Conf conspired against the West or anything, but ALL SEVEN West teams played TWO Away games vs the East this year.

Not a majority, 4 vs 3, or 5 vs 2 or even 6 vs 1, but ALL SEVEN, 7-0.


ALL SEVEN B1G West teams played 2 of their 3 games vs East teams ON THE ROAD.





And all seven were scheduled to play at least one of the traditional "Big 3" of OSU/Mich/PSU. Not saying that's hard to believe, because it would normally be rare for a team to get only 3 of the bottom 4 East teams on their schedule and no one could predict MSU's not being better than they were. But it can't be ignored that every West team had to play at least one game vs one of the Big 3 with 6 West teams playing that game vs the Big 3 on the road.

If we look at only the Big 2, OSU?Mich, then 5 of the 7 West teams had to play one of the Big 2, with 4 of those 5 games being Road games, and the only one of those 5 West teams getting one of the Big 2 at home being NW, a team predicted to finish last in the Division.

If we look at an expanded Big 4 of the East, seeing as most thought MSU was going to be a Top 10-15 ranked team, then 5 of the 7 West teams had to play 2 of their 3 games vs East opponents vs one of those Big 4,

again, with 8 of those 12 games being road games, and the 2 West teams who only had to play 1 of the Big 4 being Neb & Purdue, a team picked 2nd to last in the West and the now favorite to win the West, Purdue.


If a person was a conspiracy minded person, they might say there is plenty of evidence pointing to the B1G Conf trying as much as they could to set up the East to have a banner year. And seeing as the East has the #2 and #3 ranked teams in the country, along with PSU being ranked Top 10/11, seems they, IF the conspiracy minded out there are right, basically succeeded, except for MSU dropping the ball, literally and figuratively.



And how dominating was the East over the West???

lowly NW kept #2 OSU to just 21 pts scored and a 2 td win & Top Ten ranked PSU to a 10 pt game and Maryland could only beat them by a td.

Nebraska went 2-1 vs the East, incl beating Rutgers on the road & beating Indiana by 2 tds.

Wisconsin beat Maryland 23-10, but could be argued was the team most responsible for making the West look weak losing ooc to lowly WSU and then being the first to get upset by MSU, who Minnesota made look really bad. The MSU loss was only a 6 pt loss and the WSU loss was just a 3 pt loss, so maybe Wisconsin isn't as bad as some think? Just a couple lucky bounces away from being one win away from the West Title.

Iowa beat Rutgers soundly, 27-10, in a road game, too. Kept #2 Michigan to within 2 tds, and in the ooc, beat the #1 seed in the FCS tournament. But like Wisconsin, an early season 3 pt loss to a lowly ISU made them look really bad. Not showing up in Ohio against OSU didn't help either, but almost no one was able to keep it close vs OSU.

Minnesota beat MSU & Rutgers by a combined 65-7, and were in the game vs PSU before the refs intervened on PSU's behalf.

Purdue beat Maryland on the road, will probably beat Indy on the road, and should have won that game vs PSU. It was only a 4 pt win for PSU, and a last second win. PSU got lucky that Purdue basically gave them that win.


Now Illinois did the most to make the West look bad by losing to Indiana, by a typical for this year 3 pt loss early and then to MSU more recently and then by not being able to pull off the upset in Michigan's closest win of the season. But it was still just a 2 pt loss.




5 West teams are bound for bowl games, I would not be surprised if they went 5-0 in those games. Then again, maybe they haven't improved from the ooc part of the season and will lose more than they win? Will depend largely on who they get matched up against.




But this says something.

Total Defense Rankings,

#1 - Michigan,
#2 - Illinois,
#6 - Iowa,
#7 - Minnesota,
#8 - ISU,
#9 - OSU,
#12 - Wisconsin.


4 of the Top 12 defenses in the nation come out of the B1G West.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Utah lost against Oregon, as would Minnesota.

You so sure about that? UMn does well vs teams with crappy defenses. Oregon's defense is ranked what? #81?

Utah could still finish top 10, we'll see.

Their bowl opponent won't be an overrated Pac team, it could be someone like Florida. How'd that go for Utah?

I'm glad you at least admit that Utah has went undefeated twice this century and been to 3 major bowls. How about Minnesota. Have they done anything relevant since you've been alive?

Oh, beating ONE single solitary team with a record better than 7-5 while playing in a weak ass Mountain West Conference is supposed to impress me?

And that 8-4 team only barely finished in the Top 25, at #25.

And 2008 wasn't much more impressive. Same Mountain West Conf, and even the win over Michigan was the Utes catching Michigan in possibly their worst season ever and the win over Bama in the bowl game was only Saban's 2nd season. A good win still, I won't deny that.

But UMn has a 14-3 record vs the Mountain West with 2 of those losses coming during the Gopher's worst decade EVER!!! So it's not like it's hard to go undefeated playing a Mountain West schedule.

That makes Utah a MID-MAJOR team in 2004. LOL.

Do you see me saying Utah runs college football?

No, because they don't and NEVER HAVE, in any way, shape or form. Not even close.

How many weeks has Minnesota spent being ranked in the CFP rankings compared to Utah?

Almost anyone can cherry pick a certain limited time period and prove all kinds of things. I'm totally fine with playing that game.

How about national titles of all sports between Utah and Minnesota since you like to bring that up?

Ok, Utah has just TWO NCAA men's sports titles. A ski title in 1981, about as relevant as UMn's Track title from 1948.



And an NCAA BB title in 1944. I'll credit the Utes for another bb title in 1916, so that's 2, while UMn has 3. And UMn's SIX Naismith Hall of Famers probably dwarfs Utah's list of HOFers? But maybe not? I'll give them credit, a handful of Final Four runs is sort of impressive.
Utah's Wiki page credits them for an NIT title in 1947, but UMn has 2 NIT titles and 2 Runner Ups, too.
Want to compare how many NBAers Utah's produced in comparison to UMn?

That would be 50 for UMn to Utah's 31. Almost twice as many who've scored at least 100 pts, 40 vs 22 & also almost twice as many, 11 vs 6, who've scored at least 5000 pts.

Not claiming Utah's men's bb program sucks, not at all, it's been more impressive than most of the programs out there, in fact, which makes UMn's being able to compare to it in the ways it can more meaningful.



Not sure 9 Women's Gymnastics Titles and 13 coed skiing titles, an AIAW Ws Ski & AIAW Ws Gym title matches UMn's 8 Ws Hockey & 19 Dance Titles or not?

27 > 24, right?

But if it does, can Utah handle UMn's SEVEN football, THREE Baseball & THREE Wrestling titles? lol I don't even need to bring up men's hockey, because even without it DOES NOT.

Who the fuck is Bernie Bierman? Nobody gives two shits about Minnesota.

Utah has done just fine against SC and UCLA since joining the PAC. We know those two are about to own the shitty B1G West. Get ready for Minnesota never making their conference championship game.

Bernie Bierman? winner of SEVEN NATL TITLES, 2 with Tulane and 5 with Minnesota?! Took a World War to end his dynasty and total domination over the sport of cfb.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

This is Minnesota's CFB resume.

They finished the 1962 season ranked 10th. Then they didn't finish a season ranked in the top 25 again until 1999 (18th).

1967's Big Ten title winning season and #14 UPI Ranking and 1968's #18 UPI ranking don't count?

lol You are not the brightest bulb on the tree, are you?

They have only won double digit games in a season three times- 2019 (11-2), 2003 (10-3) & all the way back in 1900 (10-0-2).

Really? Only 3, in UMn's whole history? Not 4 maybe? Or 5? Or maybe even 6???

You want to stick by that or like just recently, can you admit TWICE in a week that you can make a mistake?

I feel sorry for all the rational Gopher fans. freddy is an embarrassment to the fanbase.

Not being able to use google and/or double checking your facts before making a big post declaring how bad a program is, to make sure you know what the fuck you are talking about is far more embarrassing imo, than simply posting actual factual information.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Was the West Division REALLY "as bad as it's ever going to be in our lifetimes"??? Or is that just your ignorant simple minded perception?


Not claiming the B1G Conf conspired against the West or anything, but ALL SEVEN West teams played TWO Away games vs the East this year.

Not a majority, 4 vs 3, or 5 vs 2 or even 6 vs 1, but ALL SEVEN, 7-0.


ALL SEVEN B1G West teams played 2 of their 3 games vs East teams ON THE ROAD.





And all seven were scheduled to play at least one of the traditional "Big 3" of OSU/Mich/PSU. Not saying that's hard to believe, because it would normally be rare for a team to get only 3 of the bottom 4 East teams on their schedule and no one could predict MSU's not being better than they were. But it can't be ignored that every West team had to play at least one game vs one of the Big 3 with 6 West teams playing that game vs the Big 3 on the road.

If we look at only the Big 2, OSU?Mich, then 5 of the 7 West teams had to play one of the Big 2, with 4 of those 5 games being Road games, and the only one of those 5 West teams getting one of the Big 2 at home being NW, a team predicted to finish last in the Division.

If we look at an expanded Big 4 of the East, seeing as most thought MSU was going to be a Top 10-15 ranked team, then 5 of the 7 West teams had to play 2 of their 3 games vs East opponents vs one of those Big 4,

again, with 8 of those 12 games being road games, and the 2 West teams who only had to play 1 of the Big 4 being Neb & Purdue, a team picked 2nd to last in the West and the now favorite to win the West, Purdue.


If a person was a conspiracy minded person, they might say there is plenty of evidence pointing to the B1G Conf trying as much as they could to set up the East to have a banner year. And seeing as the East has the #2 and #3 ranked teams in the country, along with PSU being ranked Top 10/11, seems they, IF the conspiracy minded out there are right, basically succeeded, except for MSU dropping the ball, literally and figuratively.



And how dominating was the East over the West???

lowly NW kept #2 OSU to just 21 pts scored and a 2 td win & Top Ten ranked PSU to a 10 pt game and Maryland could only beat them by a td.

Nebraska went 2-1 vs the East, incl beating Rutgers on the road & beating Indiana by 2 tds.

Wisconsin beat Maryland 23-10, but could be argued was the team most responsible for making the West look weak losing ooc to lowly WSU and then being the first to get upset by MSU, who Minnesota made look really bad. The MSU loss was only a 6 pt loss and the WSU loss was just a 3 pt loss, so maybe Wisconsin isn't as bad as some think? Just a couple lucky bounces away from being one win away from the West Title.

Iowa beat Rutgers soundly, 27-10, in a road game, too. Kept #2 Michigan to within 2 tds, and in the ooc, beat the #1 seed in the FCS tournament. But like Wisconsin, an early season 3 pt loss to a lowly ISU made them look really bad. Not showing up in Ohio against OSU didn't help either, but almost no one was able to keep it close vs OSU.

Minnesota beat MSU & Rutgers by a combined 65-7, and were in the game vs PSU before the refs intervened on PSU's behalf.

Purdue beat Maryland on the road, will probably beat Indy on the road, and should have won that game vs PSU. It was only a 4 pt win for PSU, and a last second win. PSU got lucky that Purdue basically gave them that win.


Now Illinois did the most to make the West look bad by losing to Indiana, by a typical for this year 3 pt loss early and then to MSU more recently and then by not being able to pull off the upset in Michigan's closest win of the season. But it was still just a 2 pt loss.




5 West teams are bound for bowl games, I would not be surprised if they went 5-0 in those games. Then again, maybe they haven't improved from the ooc part of the season and will lose more than they win? Will depend largely on who they get matched up against.




But this says something.

Total Defense Rankings,

#1 - Michigan,
#2 - Illinois,
#6 - Iowa,
#7 - Minnesota,
#8 - ISU,
#9 - OSU,
#12 - Wisconsin.


4 of the Top 12 defenses in the nation come out of the B1G West.

Tl;dr

I don't care about your excuses.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Tl;dr

I don't care about your excuses.

40-3? lol

 

[HawkFan]

1967's Big Ten title winning season and #14 UPI Ranking and 1968's #18 UPI ranking don't count?

lol You are not the brightest bulb on the tree, are you?



Really? Only 3, in UMn's whole history? Not 4 maybe? Or 5? Or maybe even 6???

You want to stick by that or like just recently, can you admit TWICE in a week that you can make a mistake?



Not being able to use google and/or double checking your facts before making a big post declaring how bad a program is, to make sure you know what the fuck you are talking about is far more embarrassing imo, than simply posting actual factual information.

Not sure if you get KFAN out in the sticks, but they’re suggesting parting ways with Fleck.

Thoughts?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Tl;dr

I don't care about your excuses.

0-5 in Conf Championship games since former Gopher Bud retired?

Since you don't care about excuses. At least he actually got to some Super Bowls.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Not sure if you get KFAN out in the sticks, but they’re suggesting parting ways with Fleck.

Thoughts?

That would be dumb.

Of course the geniuses at KFAN don't know squat about cfb/the Gophers and wouldn't know what's in UMn's best interest or what their best move would be to do right now.

 

[RoyUte]

You so sure about that? UMn does well vs teams with crappy defenses. Oregon's defense is ranked what? #81?


Their bowl opponent won't be an overrated Pac team, it could be someone like Florida. How'd that go for Utah?


Oh, beating ONE single solitary team with a record better than 7-5 while playing in a weak ass Mountain West Conference is supposed to impress me?

And that 8-4 team only barely finished in the Top 25, at #25.

And 2008 wasn't much more impressive. Same Mountain West Conf, and even the win over Michigan was the Utes catching Michigan in possibly their worst season ever and the win over Bama in the bowl game was only Saban's 2nd season. A good win still, I won't deny that.

But UMn has a 14-3 record vs the Mountain West with 2 of those losses coming during the Gopher's worst decade EVER!!! So it's not like it's hard to go undefeated playing a Mountain West schedule.

That makes Utah a MID-MAJOR team in 2004. LOL.


No, because they don't and NEVER HAVE, in any way, shape or form. Not even close.



Almost anyone can cherry pick a certain limited time period and prove all kinds of things. I'm totally fine with playing that game.



Ok, Utah has just TWO NCAA men's sports titles. A ski title in 1981, about as relevant as UMn's Track title from 1948.



And an NCAA BB title in 1944. I'll credit the Utes for another bb title in 1916, so that's 2, while UMn has 3. And UMn's SIX Naismith Hall of Famers probably dwarfs Utah's list of HOFers? But maybe not? I'll give them credit, a handful of Final Four runs is sort of impressive.
Utah's Wiki page credits them for an NIT title in 1947, but UMn has 2 NIT titles and 2 Runner Ups, too.
Want to compare how many NBAers Utah's produced in comparison to UMn?

That would be 50 for UMn to Utah's 31. Almost twice as many who've scored at least 100 pts, 40 vs 22 & also almost twice as many, 11 vs 6, who've scored at least 5000 pts.

Not claiming Utah's men's bb program sucks, not at all, it's been more impressive than most of the programs out there, in fact, which makes UMn's being able to compare to it in the ways it can more meaningful.



Not sure 9 Women's Gymnastics Titles and 13 coed skiing titles, an AIAW Ws Ski & AIAW Ws Gym title matches UMn's 8 Ws Hockey & 19 Dance Titles or not?

27 > 24, right?

But if it does, can Utah handle UMn's SEVEN football, THREE Baseball & THREE Wrestling titles? lol I don't even need to bring up men's hockey, because even without it DOES NOT.





Bernie Bierman? winner of SEVEN NATL TITLES, 2 with Tulane and 5 with Minnesota?! Took a World War to end his dynasty and total domination over the sport of cfb.

Yes I'm sure Oregon would beat Minnesota.
Utah lost to Florida in game one on the road. We don't all get to play New Mexico State at home.

Just admit that Minnesota has done shit in this century or your lifetime. That wouldn't have done what Utah did. And Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, one of the few teams that actually run college football. Not garbage ass Minnesota.

Of course you'd dodge the question about who's spent more time ranked in the CFP. You know, the current time period that actually matters.
Here, since you need some help. Who isn't listed? Minnesota. Do you know who is? The actual teams that run college football like Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma. Utah is the top ten for most weeks spent ranked in the CFP as well.

College Football Playoff rankings: All-time polls, history, most weeks ranked No. 1

Here's a look at historical data with the College Football Playoff rankings, including teams that have been ranked most often and the most to be No. 1.

www.ncaa.com

You need to look up your titles again.

List of NCAA schools with the most NCAA Division I championships - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You mean the World War that happened over 100 years ago. Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about what happened back then or was doing what.

Dude, just give up. There isn't a single person that has remotely agreed with you here. Not even fellow Gopher fans. Nobody gives a shit about U of Mn football.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Yes I'm sure Oregon would beat Minnesota.
Utah lost to Florida in game one on the road. We don't all get to play New Mexico State at home.

Just admit that Minnesota has done shit in this century or your lifetime. That wouldn't have done what Utah did. And Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, one of the few teams that actually run college football. Not garbage ass Minnesota.

Of course you'd dodge the question about who's spent more time ranked in the CFP. You know, the current time period that actually matters.
Here, since you need some help. Who isn't listed? Minnesota. Do you know who is? The actual teams that run college football like Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma. Utah is the top ten for most weeks spent ranked in the CFP as well.

College Football Playoff rankings: All-time polls, history, most weeks ranked No. 1

Here's a look at historical data with the College Football Playoff rankings, including teams that have been ranked most often and the most to be No. 1.

www.ncaa.com

You need to look up your titles again.

List of NCAA schools with the most NCAA Division I championships - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You mean the World War that happened over 100 years ago. Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about what happened back then or was doing what.

Dude, just give up. There isn't a single person that has remotely agreed with you here. Not even fellow Gopher fans. Nobody gives a shit about U of Mn football.

Roy - he sucked you in