Chase Young To The 49ers

[redskinsfan1963]

seemed soft after coming back from being injured to me.defintely not the roy player anymore.

 

[duke1861]

Define dependable. Sweat has not had a major injury is true.
Young has been more dominant when at the top of his game is also a fact that remains.

Who is more likely to win me a championship? There is no more worthless stat in todays game than he is a good run defender. Neither has the greatest motor.

It has turned into a bad pick. No argument. Guess what…Sweat was a bad pick too.

Completely agree on the 49ers front but they are a good team. They seemed to be much more interested in Young to play opposite Bosa.

Did we overvalue Young? Comparing rates between Young and Sweat, Young was far better this season.

We have been a poor organization, no argument. You were touting the trades as condemnation on You g by the entire league. I simply pointed out a good organization wanted Young and another bad one wanted Sweat. The good one, as we are all complaining we got screwed offered a third. The bad organization gave up a second and we are all very happy. If you can’t see the irony in your argument, I dont know what to say.

I apologize, I am not tracking here.
Dependable meaning they can be depended on.
Sweat has played 5 seasons including this one.
He has played 3 full seasons, has played in every game this season, and played 63% of one season.

Young has played
94% of 1 season
56% of 1 season
18% of 1 season
88% of the current season

Regarding production, I disagree that sweat was a bad pick
He was drafted 26th overall and we will likely get a high 30's pick for him.

Per espn:
Sweat in 5 seasons
197 total tackles
36 sacks

Young in 4 seasons
90 total tackles
14 sacks

Yes, sweat has 1 more year. Let's compare this year and yes, sweat has 1 more game


Sweat in 8 games
32 total tackles with 21 solo
6.5 sacks
2 forced fumbles

Young in 7 games
15 total tackles with 12 solo
5 sacks
0 forced fumbles

I am also saying the league did not value Young the way the fans did. Yes , the bears gave up a 2nd rounder and the Falcons were going to give up a 3rd rounder. Remember, the patriots and bears also inquired on young. The data shows that sweat has clearly been the more dependable and productive player. It's not even close.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

if you look at the history of DL picked later in the first round you will see that Sweat was not a bad pick. He was certainly a good player, I don't consider that a bad pick. Now Chase on the other hand....

Fans have to let it go. SF missed on Soloman Thomas with the 3rd pick, as did the Lions with Okudah. It happens all the time, just get what you can and get his sorry ass out of here. I'm so sick of the cameras always focusing on him when he didn't deserve it. After a big offense play by Washington there was Chase, like the John 3:16 guy, always in the picture.

 

[duke1861]

if you look at the history of DL picked later in the first round you will see that Sweat was not a bad pick. He was certainly a good player, I don't consider that a bad pick. Now Chase on the other hands....

Fans have to let it go. SF missed on Soloman Thomas with the 3rd pick, as did the Lions with Okudah. It happens all the time, just get what you can and get his sorry ass out of here. I'm so sick of the cameras always focusing on him when he didn't deserve it. After a big offense play there was Chase, like the John 3:16 guy, always in the picture.

Right

Looking at the numbers, sweat shows up and had a good career here.

Young was a total bust. Just look at the numbers.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Right

Looking at the numbers, sweat shows up and had a good career here.

Young was a total bust. Just look at the numbers.

You don't win DROY if you are a total bust.. Although when compared to the DROY seasons of say Parsons it wasn't nearly as good. Still he clearly showed flashes, for 1/2 of the game against oddly enough the Niners he was more dominant that any defensive player we've had here in a long time.

But he's another diva and after Lavar, Haskins and a few others I'm done with that. Give me players who love football and not those who love being a football player.

 

[gkekoa]

if you look at the history of DL picked later in the first round you will see that Sweat was not a bad pick. He was certainly a good player, I don't consider that a bad pick. Now Chase on the other hand....

Fans have to let it go. SF missed on Soloman Thomas with the 3rd pick, as did the Lions with Okudah. It happens all the time, just get what you can and get his sorry ass out of here. I'm so sick of the cameras always focusing on him when he didn't deserve it. After a big offense play by Washington there was Chase, like the John 3:16 guy, always in the picture.

Sweat was both the 26th pick of 2019 and cost us a 2020 second rounder. Sweat played adequately but was never dominant and didn’t get a second contract. That is not a good use of picks.

Chase did turn out to be a poor pick. As the number two pick, Chase was the ROY. Then he got injured, which can happen to any player and that player then becomes a bad pick. I am not a Chase fan BTW because I think he is lazy.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Sweat was both the 26th pick of 2019 and cost us a 2020 second rounder. Sweat played adequately but was never dominant and didn’t get a second contract. That is not a good use of picks.

Chase did turn out to be a poor pick. As the number two pick, Chase was the ROY. Then he got injured, which can happen to any player and that player then becomes a bad pick. I am not a Chase fan BTW because I think he is lazy.

Again if you look at the history of the league a late first round DL rarely does as well as Sweat has played. I'm bummed, he had good speed and I was looking forward to a defense with more speed. He was solid, certainly a good player so I just can't say it was a bad pick even with the 2nd thrown in because we ALWAYS blow 2nd round picks.

 

[ducky]

Going to be funny if the Skins resign Young in the offseason and see all the response here running him down.

By trading him to the 49ers, they virtually guaranteed that he will be on the FA market as the 49ers wont be in a position to resign or even tag and trade. I just have a feeling that wasn't a coincidence.

And no team needs a edge pass rusher more than the Redskins heading into next season.

 

[gkekoa]

I apologize, I am not tracking here.
Dependable meaning they can be depended on.
Sweat has played 5 seasons including this one.
He has played 3 full seasons, has played in every game this season, and played 63% of one season.

Young has played
94% of 1 season
56% of 1 season
18% of 1 season
88% of the current season

Regarding production, I disagree that sweat was a bad pick
He was drafted 26th overall and we will likely get a high 30's pick for him.

Per espn:
Sweat in 5 seasons
197 total tackles
36 sacks

Young in 4 seasons
90 total tackles
14 sacks

Yes, sweat has 1 more year. Let's compare this year and yes, sweat has 1 more game


Sweat in 8 games
32 total tackles with 21 solo
6.5 sacks
2 forced fumbles

Young in 7 games
15 total tackles with 12 solo
5 sacks
0 forced fumbles

I am also saying the league did not value Young the way the fans did. Yes , the bears gave up a 2nd rounder and the Falcons were going to give up a 3rd rounder. Remember, the patriots and bears also inquired on young. The data shows that sweat has clearly been the more dependable and productive player. It's not even close.

Depended on for what? Availability or play-making?

Sweat was a bad pick because he was 26 overall and a second in 2020. The fact we are getting a pick does not take away from the fact that he was a poor pick and didn’t get a second contract here.

Young has the 11th highest pass rush win rate in the league, while Sweat is 52nd.

ESPN analyst rips Bears for Montez Sweat trade

Ryan Poles made a splashy trade deadline deal for the second straight year, and at least one outlet has questions, comments and concerns about what it means for the direction of the team. On Tuesday, the Chicago Bears acquired defensive end Montez Sweat from the Washington Commanders in exchange...

www.nbcsportschicago.com

NFL pass-rushing, run-stopping, blocking leaderboard: Win rate rankings for 2023

Our win rate metics stack the NFL's best run-blocking, run-stopping, pass-protecting and pass-rushing players and teams.

www.espn.com

From there, look at grades of the trades.

What grades did the Commanders receive after trading Chase Young and Montez Sweat?

The grades are in. How did the Commanders grade out at the NFL trade deadline?

commanderswire.usatoday.com

 

[skinsdad62]

But the fact remains...sweat is more dependable than young.

If i had to pick one, it would be sweat in a landslide. He shows up and does his job. He is not the best DE ever, I agree. However, young will literally stop running toward the side of the field where a running back is going on a run play. Toohill and sweat at least attempt to run toward the play.
Sweat is a much better run defender than young. Young has more natural talent...that is for sure.

I never questioned Youngs talent, I questioned the draft strategy of the team and his character coming out of college. Listening to Craig Hoffmann podcast, he had red flags during the combine and osu pro day. Hoffman personally interviewed young and claims young threw DC under the bus to him personally. Rivera was fixated on young as was many in our fanbase.

I argued with Dean about this in depth. The original thread is there and I am stating now the same thing I said then. It was a bad pick period. The thread is called "Great Analysis" and is about 50ish pages back.

I think SF made a good call. They are trying to make the SB and have 9 games with young to help get there. It was a low cost grade for them and they clearly think they can squeeze the best of what young has in this season. If it works...great...if it doesn't, it was a 3rd round comp pick.

I still think many in the fanbase overvalued young and in the end, he did little to nothing. Fans dont want to admit that young at #2 was a bad pick and they can't let it go.

I dont care if sweat signs with the bears or not. They are a poor organization. That's true...but so are we. If we weren't, Chicago, the same poor franchise you referenced, wouldn't have beat us by 20 on national TV.

If this is true then I don’t know how anyone can say this was the right move at the time . We pay scouts to delve into these things now one of a few things happened

The scouts failed to research the hole person
The interviews failed to uncover his feelings
His feeling weren’t taken seriously
The decision makers failed to probe him during interviews
The decision makers said fuck the red flags and took him anywaY

We had 2 possible franchise guys on the board and at the time we had an immature stiff at qb

CY was drafted to be a difference maker and was billed as a generational talent . Instead we got Clowney and a 3rd round comp pick instead of a franchise qb we still are searching for

 

[chillerdab]

Going to be funny if the Skins resign Young in the offseason and see all the response here running him down.

By trading him to the 49ers, they virtually guaranteed that he will be on the FA market as the 49ers wont be in a position to resign or even tag and trade. I just have a feeling that wasn't a coincidence.

And no team needs a edge pass rusher more than the Redskins heading into next season.

He’s not signing here in the offseason, and the Commanders have backup dlinemen that arent terrible. Other than that, your analysis is spot on.

Wanna talk about quarterbacks?

 

[duke1861]

Depended on for what? Availability or play-making?

Sweat was a bad pick because he was 26 overall and a second in 2020. The fact we are getting a pick does not take away from the fact that he was a poor pick and didn’t get a second contract here.

Young has the 11th highest pass rush win rate in the league, while Sweat is 52nd.

ESPN analyst rips Bears for Montez Sweat trade

Ryan Poles made a splashy trade deadline deal for the second straight year, and at least one outlet has questions, comments and concerns about what it means for the direction of the team. On Tuesday, the Chicago Bears acquired defensive end Montez Sweat from the Washington Commanders in exchange...

www.nbcsportschicago.com

NFL pass-rushing, run-stopping, blocking leaderboard: Win rate rankings for 2023

Our win rate metics stack the NFL's best run-blocking, run-stopping, pass-protecting and pass-rushing players and teams.

www.espn.com

From there, look at grades of the trades.

What grades did the Commanders receive after trading Chase Young and Montez Sweat?

The grades are in. How did the Commanders grade out at the NFL trade deadline?

commanderswire.usatoday.com

Both.

The ESPN numbers I showed clearly show that Sweat is more dependable in availability and play-making. Sweat has had a much more productive career and the numbers reflect that.

Just this year, Sweat has outperformed Young in tackles and sacks. He has also caused 2 forced fumbles while Young has caused none. Again...this is a perfect example of people being fascinated with Young and his potential. The numbers don't lie. This isn't the NBA where "everyone" has potential and is drafted on that alleged potential. Young has been a major disappointment...Sweat was not.

I disagree that Sweat was a bad pick. The manner in which he was selected might not have been the most prudent but Sweat being selected at pick #26 was a good pick. He played well for this team and I disagree he was a bad pick.

I do agree with some of the grades. We need to differentiate between fit and the compensation. I believe Sweat is a bad fit for Chicago given the state of their franchise. That doesn't mean a 2nd rounder is an overpay for him. In other words, if the Chiefs for example traded for Sweat using their 2nd rounder, we would still be hearing about how good of a trade it was in KC. We know the Falcons offered at least a 3rd for him. Again, Chicago should not have made that trade. However, that doesn't mean Sweat isn't worth a 2nd rounder.

I believe Young is a solid fit for the 49ers right now. They are in the position to take a flyer on Young for the last 9 games. I see the Young fit in SF being much better than Sweat with Chicago. Just my opinion. That being said, my guess is that the 3rd round comp pick was the highest package they got for Young. If Young doesn't resign with SF, it won't bother them. If Sweat doesn't resign with Chicago, it would be bad.

 

[gkekoa]

Both.

The ESPN numbers I showed clearly show that Sweat is more dependable in availability and play-making. Sweat has had a much more productive career and the numbers reflect that.

Just this year, Sweat has outperformed Young in tackles and sacks. He has also caused 2 forced fumbles while Young has caused none. Again...this is a perfect example of people being fascinated with Young and his potential. The numbers don't lie. This isn't the NBA where "everyone" has potential and is drafted on that alleged potential. Young has been a major disappointment...Sweat was not.

I disagree that Sweat was a bad pick. The manner in which he was selected might not have been the most prudent but Sweat being selected at pick #26 was a good pick. He played well for this team and I disagree he was a bad pick.

I do agree with some of the grades. We need to differentiate between fit and the compensation. I believe Sweat is a bad fit for Chicago given the state of their franchise. That doesn't mean a 2nd rounder is an overpay for him. In other words, if the Chiefs for example traded for Sweat using their 2nd rounder, we would still be hearing about how good of a trade it was in KC. We know the Falcons offered at least a 3rd for him. Again, Chicago should not have made that trade. However, that doesn't mean Sweat isn't worth a 2nd rounder.

I believe Young is a solid fit for the 49ers right now. They are in the position to take a flyer on Young for the last 9 games. I see the Young fit in SF being much better than Sweat with Chicago. Just my opinion. That being said, my guess is that the 3rd round comp pick was the highest package they got for Young. If Young doesn't resign with SF, it won't bother them. If Sweat doesn't resign with Chicago, it would be bad.

I agree that Sweat has not been a major disappointment. He just hasn’t been great and disappears for major stretches of time. Sweat has never had a stand out game.

I agree that Chase has been a major disappointment. The numbers do lie though. They do not include pressure rate and the two intentional grounding penalties that Young forced. I have also seen Young dom8nate a game.

One was wanted by a great franchise…the other by a train wreck.

Let me ask this another way…who would you rather pay 25 million per year to? I know your answer is Sweat and mine is Young. But to put it another way, while I do not believe either is worth 25 million per year, I think You g has a better chance at being worth the money.

 

[Sportster 72]

Neither. Maybe $17 for Sweat, which I don't think he would take. Chase is young but he has been a diva after that first year.

 

[duke1861]

I agree that Sweat has not been a major disappointment. He just hasn’t been great and disappears for major stretches of time. Sweat has never had a stand out game.

I agree that Chase has been a major disappointment. The numbers do lie though. They do not include pressure rate and the two intentional grounding penalties that Young forced. I have also seen Young dom8nate a game.

One was wanted by a great franchise…the other by a train wreck.

Let me ask this another way…who would you rather pay 25 million per year to? I know your answer is Sweat and mine is Young. But to put it another way, while I do not believe either is worth 25 million per year, I think You g has a better chance at being worth the money.

I agree with alot of what you are saying.

Sweat seems to be more predictable and a steady player. Nothing amazing...nothing bad either. He shows up each game.

I would not give 25 million to him.

Young is more explosive, more talented, and faster. Just my opinion. He either seems to make an amazing play or have a mental lapse. I agree that some stats that are tracked closely favor young. Isn't he like 5th j. Qb pressures or something.

For me, it comes down to reliability and availability. Young has been in the league for 4 years and has yet to play a full season. Sweat had played 3 full seasons, he is on track to play a full season this year as well. He stays healthy.

I have read a lot of negative press about young since he left: free lancing, being out-of position, issues with coaches, etc. Who knows if it's true. Apparently he was contemplating retirement?

I haven't read one negative thing about sweat other than Chicago bring upset that he wants to test the market.

 

[dcrising]

They are gone. Time to move on. We got compensation for both.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I agree that Sweat has not been a major disappointment. He just hasn’t been great and disappears for major stretches of time. Sweat has never had a stand out game.

I agree that Chase has been a major disappointment. The numbers do lie though. They do not include pressure rate and the two intentional grounding penalties that Young forced. I have also seen Young dom8nate a game.

One was wanted by a great franchise…the other by a train wreck.

Let me ask this another way…who would you rather pay 25 million per year to? I know your answer is Sweat and mine is Young. But to put it another way, while I do not believe either is worth 25 million per year, I think You g has a better chance at being worth the money.

The numbers also don't show how often Young was out of position and left gaping holes. This is not a secret, we could all see it and the coaches felt that way as well. Sweat on the other hand was very good at containing the edge.

 

[Breed]

Going to be funny if the Skins resign Young in the offseason and see all the response here running him down.

By trading him to the 49ers, they virtually guaranteed that he will be on the FA market as the 49ers wont be in a position to resign or even tag and trade. I just have a feeling that wasn't a coincidence.

And no team needs a edge pass rusher more than the Redskins heading into next season.

Fuck, homey. You just ascribed some next level thinking to the Washington brain trust. Its been so long since we've seen any of that. I had to hit the bong, take 10 deep breaths then go outside to meditate on what you said.

Namaste

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Sportster 72]

Looks like Sweat is getting 4 years $98 million from Chicago.