Chase Young To The 49ers

[duke1861]

The reporter is Mike Silver and very good friend of Rivera's ... connect the dots.

Oh geez....

 

[Sportster 72]

Oh geez....

If I connect the dots and those two guys are friends it is okay if RR tells him that stuff but says don't repeat it. Instead Ron said "I don't know where that info came from."

 

[j_y19]

Fair enough..the reporter could be making it up.

It said coaches and others within the organization. The reporter could be lying...that is true.

However, if he is not lying, how in the world would he know what coaches are thinking?

A good portion of this board wanted young resigned and some advocated for a 1st round pick if traded.
In other words, this board and the fans apparently had no clue that coaches and others in the orgsnization. If the fans didn't know about it..or it appears we didn't, then either a coach talked off the record, or the reporter made it up.

Do you have any other theories?

Yeah. it could have been a player. It could have been chase himself. there were stories going back into last year with issues concerning his free lancing, his lack of dedication to OTAs, chase’s happiness with being a Commander, etc. so to say that we didn’t know there were issues is a bit off base. im not surprised chase was traded. I am surprised sweat was traded.

 

[j_y19]

The reporter is Mike Silver and very good friend of Rivera's ... connect the dots.

Well, that brings a whole new light into the issue. Then it probably was Ron.

 

[Rowdy]

Fair enough..the reporter could be making it up.

It said coaches and others within the organization. The reporter could be lying...that is true.

However, if he is not lying, how in the world would he know what coaches are thinking?

A good portion of this board wanted young resigned and some advocated for a 1st round pick if traded.
In other words, this board and the fans apparently had no clue that coaches and others in the orgsnization. If the fans didn't know about it..or it appears we didn't, then either a coach talked off the record, or the reporter made it up.

Do you have any other theories?

Doug Williams

 

[skinsdad62]

Look. , when a player gets released or traded there. Are always reasons , when it was all said and done they didn’t want to pay him for his potential not his production. Chase should thrive in Frisco

 

[j_y19]

Look. , when a player gets released or traded there. Are always reasons , when it was all said and done they didn’t want to pay him for his potential not his production. Chase should thrive in Frisco

He should. But he should have thrived here also.

 

[skinsdad62]

He should. But he should have thrived here also.

Yes and I feel the scouts saw an athlete but overlooked other things . It’s an incomplete job that was. Done and then a coaching staff that could reign him in or move him around

 

[duke1861]

Yes and I feel the scouts saw an athlete but overlooked other things . It’s an incomplete job that was. Done and then a coaching staff that could reign him in or move him around

The bottom line is that the strategy was flawed in my opinion. Allen amd gruden took the first 3 and Rivera took young.

You don't draft dline with 4 straight 1st round picks. We all laughed at the lions for taking 3 wrs in a row with their 1st rounder. Dline is a more important unit IMO, but the principle is the same.

It seems rivera and fans got locked in on young and that was that.

 

[duke1861]

Yeah. it could have been a player. It could have been chase himself. there were stories going back into last year with issues concerning his free lancing, his lack of dedication to OTAs, chase’s happiness with being a Commander, etc. so to say that we didn’t know there were issues is a bit off base. im not surprised chase was traded. I am surprised sweat was traded.

Call me ignorant but most comments I have heard here were how good young was and how he needed to be resigned.

The trade package seemed to revolve around a hopeful 1st rounder with a 2nd and additional pick being needed. I said 2nd rounder, so I clearly overvalued young myself and I wasn't a fan of his.

 

[gkekoa]

Call me ignorant but most comments I have heard here were how good young was and how he needed to be resigned.

The trade package seemed to revolve around a hopeful 1st rounder with a 2nd and additional pick being needed. I said 2nd rounder, so I clearly overvalued young myself and I wasn't a fan of his.

The reason we said keep Young over Sweat is his upside. Young is more dominant than Sweat but Young is very inconsistent and that includes his motor.

The trade package is what you desire. If they don’t meet your requirement, then you should not trade the player.

 

[duke1861]

The reason we said keep Young over Sweat is his upside. Young is more dominant than Sweat but Young is very inconsistent and that includes his motor.

The trade package is what you desire. If they don’t meet your requirement, then you should not trade the player.

I understand that and have taken a beating for 4 years due to my views on Young.

I still hold by the statement that availability is more important than ability. Young has injury concerns..that is why I liked Sweat more. He is dependable.

Clearly the league value of Young was much less than what the fans thought of him. If he was as valued and viewed solely on his upside, the league would have been pounding down the door to get in a trade offer. They didn't. The 2nd overall pick in 2020 went for a 3rd round compensatory pick.

I rest my case.

 

[skinsdad62]

Call me ignorant but most comments I have heard here were how good young was and how he needed to be resigned.

The trade package seemed to revolve around a hopeful 1st rounder with a 2nd and additional pick being needed. I said 2nd rounder, so I clearly overvalued young myself and I wasn't a fan of his.

I was calling him Clowney

 

[duke1861]

I was calling him Clowney

Excellent statement...spot on actually.

 

[skinsdad62]

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[Darrell Green Fan]

Chase Young was the right pick at the time, every GM would have taken him at 2 if they had the opportunity. I think this trade was necessary, they could not commit as much money as he would demand for a 7 sack a year guy who does not follow assignments. I was hoping for more as well but the market has spoken and if he was worth more than a 3rd round comp pick someone would have offered more.

As for the leaks I don't have a problem with it, the fans kind of have a right to know what is going on to some extent.. I had no problems when were heard the reports of Haskin's lazy attitude, Lavar for deviating from his assignments, reports on McNabb being out of shape and not working hard enough and I don't remember fans being critical of those leaks.

 

[gkekoa]

I understand that and have taken a beating for 4 years due to my views on Young.

I still hold by the statement that availability is more important than ability. Young has injury concerns..that is why I liked Sweat more. He is dependable.

Clearly the league value of Young was much less than what the fans thought of him. If he was as valued and viewed solely on his upside, the league would have been pounding down the door to get in a trade offer. They didn't. The 2nd overall pick in 2020 went for a 3rd round compensatory pick.

I rest my case.

Guys like Sweat are not difference makers, but guys like Sweat get paid like a difference maker at times. That is the problem.

Don’t rest so quickly. Chase Young, who just came back from injury and is slated to be a FA, was traded for a 3rd to the 49ers, a tremendously well run organization. Nobody ever claims the 9ers are getting the short end of a trade. Sweat, the dependable but nothing special DE, fetched a 2 from Chicago, a poorly run and oft maligned franchise that made a similar trade last season for Claypool.

So to summarize, the league did not say Sweat over Young. The poorly run Bears team did say Sweat over Young, and Sweat has already said we should not count on him resigning with the 2-6 Bears. The well run 49ers said Young over Sweat as they are chasing a Super Bowl after a three game skid, even though, Chase Young is already talking retirement.

 

[duke1861]

Guys like Sweat are not difference makers, but guys like Sweat get paid like a difference maker at times. That is the problem.

Don’t rest so quickly. Chase Young, who just came back from injury and is slated to be a FA, was traded for a 3rd to the 49ers, a tremendously well run organization. Nobody ever claims the 9ers are getting the short end of a trade. Sweat, the dependable but nothing special DE, fetched a 2 from Chicago, a poorly run and oft maligned franchise that made a similar trade last season for Claypool.

So to summarize, the league did not say Sweat over Young. The poorly run Bears team did say Sweat over Young, and Sweat has already said we should not count on him resigning with the 2-6 Bears. The well run 49ers said Young over Sweat as they are chasing a Super Bowl after a three game skid, even though, Chase Young is already talking retirement.

But the fact remains...sweat is more dependable than young.

If i had to pick one, it would be sweat in a landslide. He shows up and does his job. He is not the best DE ever, I agree. However, young will literally stop running toward the side of the field where a running back is going on a run play. Toohill and sweat at least attempt to run toward the play.
Sweat is a much better run defender than young. Young has more natural talent...that is for sure.

I never questioned Youngs talent, I questioned the draft strategy of the team and his character coming out of college. Listening to Craig Hoffmann podcast, he had red flags during the combine and osu pro day. Hoffman personally interviewed young and claims young threw DC under the bus to him personally. Rivera was fixated on young as was many in our fanbase.

I argued with Dean about this in depth. The original thread is there and I am stating now the same thing I said then. It was a bad pick period. The thread is called "Great Analysis" and is about 50ish pages back.

I think SF made a good call. They are trying to make the SB and have 9 games with young to help get there. It was a low cost grade for them and they clearly think they can squeeze the best of what young has in this season. If it works...great...if it doesn't, it was a 3rd round comp pick.

I still think many in the fanbase overvalued young and in the end, he did little to nothing. Fans dont want to admit that young at #2 was a bad pick and they can't let it go.

I dont care if sweat signs with the bears or not. They are a poor organization. That's true...but so are we. If we weren't, Chicago, the same poor franchise you referenced, wouldn't have beat us by 20 on national TV.

 

[gkekoa]

But the fact remains...sweat is more dependable than young.

If i had to pick one, it would be sweat in a landslide. He shows up and does his job. He is not the best DE ever, I agree. However, young will literally stop running toward the side of the field where a running back is going on a run play. Toohill and sweat at least attempt to run toward the play.
Sweat is a much better run defender than young. Young has more natural talent...that is for sure.

I never questioned Youngs talent, I questioned the draft strategy of the team and his character coming out of college. Listening to Craig Hoffmann podcast, he had red flags during the combine and osu pro day. Hoffman personally interviewed young and claims young threw DC under the bus to him personally. Rivera was fixated on young as was many in our fanbase.

I argued with Dean about this in depth. The original thread is there and I am stating now the same thing I said then. It was a bad pick period.

I think SF made a good call. They are trying to make the SB and have 9 games with young to help get there. It was a low cost grade for them and they clearly think they can squeeze the best of what young has in this season. If it works...great...if it doesn', it was a 3rd round comp pick.

I still think many in the fanbase overvalued young and in the end, he did little to nothing.

I dont care if sweat signs with the bears or not. They are a poor organization. That's true...but so are we. If we weren't, Chicago wouldn't have beat us by 20 on national TV.

Define dependable. Sweat has not had a major injury is true.
Young has been more dominant when at the top of his game is also a fact that remains.

Who is more likely to win me a championship? There is no more worthless stat in todays game than he is a good run defender. Neither has the greatest motor.

It has turned into a bad pick. No argument. Guess what…Sweat was a bad pick too.

Completely agree on the 49ers front but they are a good team. They seemed to be much more interested in Young to play opposite Bosa.

Did we overvalue Young? Comparing rates between Young and Sweat, Young was far better this season.

We have been a poor organization, no argument. You were touting the trades as condemnation on You g by the entire league. I simply pointed out a good organization wanted Young and another bad one wanted Sweat. The good one, as we are all complaining we got screwed offered a third. The bad organization gave up a second and we are all very happy. If you can’t see the irony in your argument, I dont know what to say.