They should not have drafted Haskins

[Skins2021]

Let me give you three reasons why they drafted a QB:

1. Alex Smith, broken leg, future in serious doubt.

2. Colt McCoy, broken leg, NFL future ended in the 3rd round of the 2010 draft (85th pick overall)

3. Case Keenum, a fill-in for the departed Kirk Cousins because he was a player similar to Kirk who they didn't want

In effect, they had NOTHING and needed something. Now, we all wait to see if they have something better. Who they hire, will immediately let us know what kind of future the young man has. BTW; you don't stop collecting pieces even if you've predetermined that your current HC has got to go. I still want Bruce to get the fuck away from my team!

Stymie

I cant post on that other thread regarding Haskins because I've been banned from it.... again.

Anyway I look forward to seeing your rebuttal and I will add I may have been a little harsh on Jason Campbell for this comparison. Haskins could be worse.

 

[j_y19]

Alternative theory here:

The reason Gruden didn't coach up/play Haskins was because he wanted out of the puzzle factory and not coaching up/playing Haskins was the quickest way to achieve that goal. Haskins being so raw also provided the perfect cover for Gruden as a valid reason why he wasn't playing Haskins.

And from what I saw far as Callahan's post-game presser saying that if Case is OK to play he's still the Skins starting QB. I think Callahan has decided to employ the same strategy.

Nothing would surprise me anymore. Well, that's quite not true. If the Redskins can convince a top notch coach to come here, I will be surprised.

 

[j_y19]

Yeah, I don't think this is the first time this has happened in WAS...iirc the Shannys were coaching for their careers and WAS took RG3...they had to play him being taken 2nd overall but coaches on the hot seat NEVER want to trust the game to a rookie QB unless forced.

So...as a potential HC, you know what you're facing from the outset...if you don't think you can be successful with Haskins...probably better off not taking the gig.

The only ones taking this gig are the desperate ones that can't find a job elsewhere or the up and comers that believe they are ready, but no one is giving them a shot. Again, desperate.

 

[skinz2winz]

Alternative theory here:

The reason Gruden didn't coach up/play Haskins was because he wanted out of the puzzle factory and not coaching up/playing Haskins was the quickest way to achieve that goal. Haskins being so raw also provided the perfect cover for Gruden as a valid reason why he wasn't playing Haskins.

And from what I saw far as Callahan's post-game presser saying that if Case is OK to play he's still the Skins starting QB. I think Callahan has decided to employ the same strategy.

All the talk about Haskins is a complete over reaction. Dude has not practiced a full week as starter, has not played a full game and is learning the position at the NFL level from coaches who will NOT be here next year nor will their system they have implemented. Can everyone just cool their jets for a minute. Damn!

As for the puzzle factory, you could definitely be right. Lol!

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The only ones taking this gig are the desperate ones that can't find a job elsewhere or the up and comers that believe they are ready, but no one is giving them a shot. Again, desperate.

Probably right, Snyder has screwed up that front office....but, I do think Tomlin (for enough cheddar) would be interested if the Steeler job went up in smoke somehow. His neck of the woods.

 

[Breed]

All the talk about Haskins is a complete over reaction. Dude has not practiced a full week as starter, has not played a full game and is learning the position at the NFL level from coaches who will NOT be here next year nor will their system they have implemented. Can everyone just cool their jets for a minute. Damn!

As for the puzzle factory, you could definitely be right. Lol!

I'm not really down on Haskins per se. What worries me more is A) Haskins was a Snyder pick B) Any coach, be it a HC or QB coach, that's worth a damn. Will not want any part of being a coach on the Skins as long as Snyder is owner and Allen is the hand to the king. Haskins may not be a bust right now, but it won't take long, another season or 2 tops, till he is a bust if Snyder continues running the Skins in this present ass backwards, nonsensical manner and I'm not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel signaling that its ending soon.

 

[tlance]

I took drafting of haskins was about at that time we only had 1 qb colt was still fucked up alex is done not so much as Haskins was the future

You don’t spend a first round pick on a QB if you don’t think he can be your franchise guy.

 

[skinsdad62]

again way to early for this . yes he could be a bust , but then again he could be what we want

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

The Redskins won’t start to get better returns from Haskins until they invest all their time into him as the starter.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Stymietee]

For those of you who insist that they should not have drafted a QB knowing that the current one was on the way out, it turns out that is standard operating procedure. Our mistake happens when we think of this organization as typical and not the dysfunctional entity that it is.

ENTER DAN Snyder and Vinny Cerato (1999)...

1. Brad Johnson 1999-2000 (On the team before Snyder, gone after Snyder's first year as owner)

2. Jeff George 2000-2001 (Signed as free agent, and inherited by Norv Turner and Terry Robiskie)

3. Tony Banks 2001 (Signed as free agent and inherited by Marty Schottenheimer)

4. Shane Mathews 2002}
5. Danny Wuerffel 2002} (Both were Steve Spurriers guys)

6. Patrick Ramsey 2002-2005 (Inherited by Spurrier in his last season, then Inherited by Gibbs)
(Gibbs wanted Mark Brunell, then traded to get him)

7. Tim Hassellbeck 2003 (signed in Spurrier's last year to back-up Ramsey, Inherited by Gibbs)

8. Mark Brunell 2004- 2006 (Wanted by Gibbs and traded for)

9. Tod Collins 2007, (signed as a free agent because of OC Al Saunders comfort level and not HC Gibbs)

10. Jason Campbell 2006-2009 (Drafted in first round to replace Gibbs guy Brunell, then Inherited by Jim Zorn 2007, He would have a different head coach or offensive coordinator in each of his years here)




ENTER Bruce ALLEN (2009)...

11. Donovan McNabb 2010 (Traded for after M. Shanahan becomes head coach/ unclear if BA or MS made the trade)

12. Rex Grossman 2010-2012 (Signed as a free agent by Mike Shanahan)
13. John Beck 2011-2013 (signed as a free agent by M. Shanahan)

14. Robert Griffin III 2012-2016 (Drafted by M. Shanahan perhaps under pressure, Inherited by J. Gruden)
15. Kirk Cousins 2012- 2018 (Drafted by M. Shanahan perhaps under pressure, Inherited by J. Gruden)

16. Colt McCoy 2014-present (Signed as a free agent to backup/ possible replacement for Cousins) Cousins

17. Alex Smith 2018- present (Traded to D.C. unclear if Gruden wanted him.)

18. Josh Johnson 2018 (Signed as a free agent because of mounting injuries.)

19. Mark Sanchez 2018 (signed as a free agent because of mounting injuries.)

20. Case Keenum 2019 (signed as a free agent to replace the departed Cousins and injured Smith and McCoy)

21. Dwayne Haskins 2019 (Drafted 15th overall, Gruden out)

 

[Sportster 72]

For those of you who insist that they should not have drafted a QB knowing that the current one was on the way out, it turns out that is standard operating procedure. Our mistake happens when we think of this organization as typical and not the dysfunctional entity that it is.

ENTER DAN Snyder and Vinny Cerato (1999)...

1. Brad Johnson 1999-2000 (On the team before Snyder, gone after Snyder's first year as owner)

2. Jeff George 2000-2001 (Signed as free agent, and inherited by Norv Turner and Terry Robiskie)

3. Tony Banks 2001 (Signed as free agent and inherited by Marty Schottenheimer)

4. Shane Mathews 2002}
5. Danny Wuerffel 2002} (Both were Steve Spurriers guys)

6. Patrick Ramsey 2002-2005 (Inherited by Spurrier in his last season, then Inherited by Gibbs)
(Gibbs wanted Mark Brunell, then traded to get him)

7. Tim Hassellbeck 2003 (signed in Spurrier's last year to back-up Ramsey, Inherited by Gibbs)

8. Mark Brunell 2004- 2006 (Wanted by Gibbs and traded for)

9. Tod Collins 2007, (signed as a free agent because of OC Al Saunders comfort level and not HC Gibbs)

10. Jason Campbell 2006-2009 (Drafted in first round to replace Gibbs guy Brunell, then Inherited by Jim Zorn 2007, He would have a different head coach or offensive coordinator in each of his years here)




ENTER Bruce ALLEN (2009)...

11. Donovan McNabb 2010 (Traded for after M. Shanahan becomes head coach/ unclear if BA or MS made the trade)

12. Rex Grossman 2010-2012 (Signed as a free agent by Mike Shanahan)
13. John Beck 2011-2013 (signed as a free agent by M. Shanahan)

14. Robert Griffin III 2012-2016 (Drafted by M. Shanahan perhaps under pressure, Inherited by J. Gruden)
15. Kirk Cousins 2012- 2018 (Drafted by M. Shanahan perhaps under pressure, Inherited by J. Gruden)

16. Colt McCoy 2014-present (Signed as a free agent to backup/ possible replacement for Cousins) Cousins

17. Alex Smith 2018- present (Traded to D.C. unclear if Gruden wanted him.)

18. Josh Johnson 2018 (Signed as a free agent because of mounting injuries.)

19. Mark Sanchez 2018 (signed as a free agent because of mounting injuries.)

20. Case Keenum 2019 (signed as a free agent to replace the departed Cousins and injured Smith and McCoy)

21. Dwayne Haskins 2019 (Drafted 15th overall, Gruden out)

All true Sty but the one they got right they let go. I don't believe Shanahan drafted Cousin's under pressure I believe they drafted him as insurance.

 

[Stymietee]

You are not wrong Sty. My thought was you draft an edge rusher and a QB in round 3 thru 5. If you caught lightening in a bottle then great, if not 2020 was supposed to be the better QB draft. You were right because of the broken legs they needed a QB. They didn't need to take a guy number 1. I wanted an edge rusher, well they got both but they drafted the guy Dan wanted.

As I said before I don't think they are going to draft someone else unless Dan falls in love again before the draft. I don't know that they need to draft another guy. I am still not selling Haskin's down the river. You can look at his short stint in two ways last night. The first being we need to keep working with this kid in practice or you can play him and see if he grows.

Now the rumor yesterday that Callahan has a good chance to be back next year might be good for Haskins. Who knows if they bring in another coach.

Looking back at the 2019 draft, many here wanted the edge rusher selected first, but after some consternation associated with Haskins at 15, were quite pleased with moving up to get Sweat. Very few if any complained about our first round selections, in fact, I remember the majority here proclaiming our first round as one of the best in a while. One year removed, not so much!

 

[Sportster 72]

Haskin's, Jones, Murray, Lock et al were not my preference. Sweat I was excited about. As I said before I preferred to pick a QB in rounds 3 thru 5 so they could get a look at what they drafted and if he didn't look like a starter you were set with a backup with the 2020 draft coming up. JMO.

 

[tlance]

Looking back at the 2019 draft, many here wanted the edge rusher selected first, but after some consternation associated with Haskins at 15, were quite pleased with moving up to get Sweat. Very few if any complained about our first round selections, in fact, I remember the majority here proclaiming our first round as one of the best in a while. One year removed, not so much!

I did not like the Haskins pick because I don’t think he will ever be a competent NFL QB.

But, I was very relieved that Snyder/Allen didn’t waste assets to trade up for him. So I was OK with the draft.

 

[Stymietee]

All true Sty but the one they got right they let go. I don't believe Shanahan drafted Cousin's under pressure I believe they drafted him as insurance.

To be honest, "the one they got right" is a dubious position to take, considering all of that "damn good culture" going on in Ashburn.

I've never been settled on the whole Shanahan losing his GM balls over Griffin, then remarkably regaining them with the selection of Cousins narrative.

 

[Stymietee]

again way to early for this . yes he could be a bust , but then again he could be what we want

Here's one for my ole' friend @sportster... I'm not sure if they would recognize what they wanted, if they had a chance to sign him, franchise tag him, franchise tag him again, and then let him go into free agency without any compensation whatsoever!

 

[Sportster 72]

Here's one for my ole' friend @sportster... I'm not sure if they would recognize what they wanted, if they had a chance to sign him, franchise tag him, franchise tag him again, and then let him go into free agency without any compensation whatsoever!

No doubt my friend, dysfunction is the order of the day. I am not upset they drafted Haskin's … they did get Sweat too. I am not upset at Haskin's performance yesterday. He over threw a ball, shit happens.

I haven't watched a lot or when I have I did not get excited over Tua. Maybe I am missing something. Not to mention he seems injury prone. I like Fromm but he is conventional and to me it seems the QB of the future is going to look a lot more like Watson, Wilson, Mahomes and Jackson. Brady and Brees can still play but I think that style of QB is becoming a dinosaur. Yes, that includes Cousins.