State of Nebraska ready to sue Federal Governent

[Red_Alert]

You don't want to get paid for what you do? Isn't that completely going against what we originally believed in this country? I don't know.....it seems like nobody wants to work in this country, yet everyone wants to blame someone else for the place goin to shit. Everyone wants to be lazy and make money.....I guess I see it differently. I feel good about working hard and making money......I quit my last job because I was getting paid to do something that provided nothing for anyone.....and that is not going to do anything for this country.

I don't have to get paid for what I do. I'm paid for what I know. I didn't invest my time and money in an engineering degree to do physical labor.
I did plenty of that in my younger years. Hard work isn't all about breaking a sweat you now?

 

[landon410]

to answer the response to my post, yes i think all of those entitlement programs are benevolent and therefore illegal

and they should be done away with, yes i think that

 

[landon410]

try to pull the "christian principals" please.....

christian principals are, if you dont work, you dont eat
2 Thessalonians 3:10 (King James Version)

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.


and take care of your widows, but do not tax people to take care of them

its call charity, not taxation

but knowing everything is hard, i dont expect everyone to be able to do it

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Red_Alert, I'm not talking about people who provide.....if your knowledge provides for other people, then you are working. But there are so many pointless jobs out there....some people think they are doing something for society and they are indeed doing nothing. I think some people can do better than stand around and talk at work.

 

[Blackshirt]

wahh wahh, Sorry I don't give two flying fucks to come up with an essay about how universal healthcare just doesn't work for this country. I have better things to do than check a message board every 10-15 minutes to send an arguement. Its called a life, maybe thats why I also have more money than you, I am actually doing something with my life rather than crying poor me poor me. News flash, world isn't revolving around you and you actually have to WORK FOR WHAT YOU WANT.

 

[Brasky]

Cry yourselves to sleep at night.

 

[CAforNU]

Didn´t know anyone was crying ¨poor me¨. I work hard and don´t make that much money, but still have no problem with my tax dollars going toward healthcare for others. I went to college, got a BA, work a manual labor job, and have volunteered several weeks a year the past few years. No complaints here. I have enough money and my goal is not to make a lot of money. My goal is to live what I believe.

All this debate is starting to remind me of scripture. About the poor woman who gave more than the rich man. About the meek inheriting the earth. About Jesus hanging out with the poorest of people and helping them.

A few verses from the Gospel come to mind:

1 John 3:17-18, If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with our words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

Acts 20:35, In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’


Amen

 

[nolehusker]

Didn´t know anyone was crying ¨poor me¨. I work hard and don´t make that much money, but still have no problem with my tax dollars going toward healthcare for others. I went to college, got a BA, work a manual labor job, and have volunteered several weeks a year the past few years. No complaints here. I have enough money and my goal is not to make a lot of money. My goal is to live what I believe.

All this debate is starting to remind me of scripture. About the poor woman who gave more than the rich man. About the meek inheriting the earth. About Jesus hanging out with the poorest of people and helping them.

A few verses from the Gospel come to mind:

1 John 3:17-18, If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with our words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

Acts 20:35, In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’


Amen

Those scriptures are about charity, meaning you give on your own accord. Taxing me to give to someone else, that I don't know, is not charity. I'm all for charity, but don't force me to do it. Then it's not charity.

 

[Red_Alert]

Pretty simple really.
I'm all for a temporary 'hand up', but not for a lifetime 'hand out'.
Outside of disability/social seccurity most of our assistance programs were originally designed as a temporary help to someone in need until they could become self sufficient. Unfortunately those programs have become a way of life for many.
Even social security was originally designed to be a retirement supplement, to millions it has now become their only means of retirement.

 

[landon410]

cafornu

those say give (charity)

not robin hood style of steal and give to those you know

do you really not see the difference?

 

[jedburks]

I don't do political talk because of threads like this.

I do laugh at people from both sides that quote poll results to prove their side correct. Poll results are like stats, you can find anything to help your side of the argument. You could find a thousand of polls talking about the health care issue and different sides getting the nod on each and every one of them. It all depends on how the question is phrased and how the person answering it interprets the question.

 

[YuHusker1]

Now they are saying that the IRS will hold part or all of any tax refund you are suppose get if you do not purchase obamacare, then they will still make you a fugitive and call everyone a low life. When in fact those that went against the will of the people are the low lifes.

 

[YuHusker1]

Jeb
The facts are that the president and congress that pushed this or are trying to push this down our throats have gone totally against the constitution of the USA. There is not a person in congress or the president that knows all of what is in this thing. And the last I looked the Constitution says "We The PEOPLE of the United States of America" and to do what they did would mean a change in the constitution and WE THE PEOPLE have to approve that in a vote on the matter at an election. To go against the Constitution and the will of the people is treason and that has its own line of consequences.

 

[HawkeyeHater]

You raging conservatives sure do hate good ideas. God it sucks when people in unfortunate situations that are sick actually get to go to the hospital now huh. What a bunch of assholes. Fuck all of them right?

The local mcdonalds is hiring

 

[Epic Leprikon]

this guy is tired of the political threads....revoke landons "mod" status ASAP

 

[YuHusker1]

Braskypants
You are very very wrong. Obamacare is NOT a good Idea. And I want the Constitution upheld Period.
I am coming from being permanently disabled due to a high school kid running a stop sign and less than a year later getting rear ended. I can no longer work a normal job and I know that what the dems have tried to do is against the Constitution and that is treason in my eyes as a former service member.
I get my medical done through the VA which is something I earned and believe me the average day in the VA will not even be attained in obamacare if it is not dismantled like it should be cause THE People said NO and HELL NO!!!!

I can also tell you that to get off of SSDI which is what I get to live on cause the state made me spend my settlement to get health care b4 I got into the VA. They and every one of those help up gov programs that I have been able to find and get any help make sure you are broke and obamacare will be no different IF it is not brought down like it should be cause the people said no. People have already been trying to get into that feed Obamacare thinking it was already in force. If it is not thrown out it will not be completely in place until 2014 so the dems can get the ENFORCEMENT of those bad people that do not want it or complain about not being able to get all the treatment they need. This is in the words of the dems time to get things in place to control the people. That is against the constitution.

For me to be able to get off of SSDI I have to be able to all of a sudden have a large amount of money be generated in a short amount of time (less than a year) and have it be repeatable year after year to pay for the medical cost that will increase for me.

The way it works unless they have upped the $ amounts allowed now is you have 9 months and its like 6-7 or so of those nine months if you make $600 in your business in any month then it goes up to 900 for 1-3 months then you are off of SSDI. And thats is gross not net. I can increase what I get IF SS approves of my need for replacing things in my business but instead of getting the 1091 I get to live on after they make me pay for medicare which is being raided for obamacare. I would could get an extra 600 a month put into a savings but My 1091 would go down to 800 a month. They do not have any graduated way to work your way off of SSDI which would make sense, no you have to be able to make much more than what you had b4 just to break even on medical, any meds that you have to take (mine if I had to buy them outside of the VA would be over $2,000 a month that I never had to take b4 people did like the dems did BREAK THE LAW). I have lost almost $300,000.00 in true lost wages since this happened to me (I was found to not be at fault) and lose $20,000.00 a year and no one has to take care of that for me. I am trying to get things done and trying to do things to make enough money to live without SSDI but obamacare and the dems are trying to make every person employed by them or totally controlled in every way by the gov. which is socialism or communism and you know the only way any of them ever really kind of worked is by having some free market businesses to generate enough income for the government to run. What the dems have done in one year is drive the deficit up to record levels and Clinton started it not Bush the economy was already failing during the last Clinton years ask the farmers. Normally meat prices are up and grains are down or vise versa but for the last clinton years both were down according to a farmer friend of mine in Neb. and the only time that happened recession followed. Bush had to deal with a damaging attack on american soil and no he didn't handle things as well as he did but the Dems did nothing but fight him get most of their things through and plot to takeover the Whitehouse and congress and profess we will have the most OPEN nonpartizen congress and president and done the most closed doors back alley ILLEGAL meetings since they got into power in congress and it got worse once obama got in. Now everyone that says anything against them they call them Nazi's (Pelosi said that) Reid and the pres have said the same or similar things several time so that is what they think of the MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY They are the ones that are employed by US and are WRONG.

I will continue to try to get off of SSDI but gov under the dems will be taxed to death, as will the businesses and want to add VAT a European style tax system that has already bankrupt Greece and has many of the rest of the European Union countries in a lot of trouble and most are near bankruptcy. That is what too much government involvement. We have RIGHTS and you are willing to just give away all our rights for the worst ideas to have been forced at us. And you know what is suppose to be a part of your precious ILLEGAL obamacare, amnisty for ILLEGALS. obama is making us hated by our allies and laughed at by our enemies ( they are calling obama a joke for a politician and he is weakening our defenses and setting us up to be invaded).

If you want that kind of gov. brasky then GOOOOO to Russia or most of the museum run countries or go back to the old stalin russia or go bring hitler back cause that is what you are supporting. A total lack of respect for what hundreds of thousands of true americans died for and the dems are trying to make us a russia, nazi or european state all of which fail and totally restrict the freedoms our constitution gives us and is in place to protect us with.

Heck I have a business that I am doing my damnedest to grow within the limits my body now has. But people like you would not have the competence to help grow a business and would be useless outside of a socialist, communist environment. Those environments cause more people to work and produce less cause they have no way to get ahead, your effort is not rewarded.

 

[Epic Leprikon]

btw, Canada and Sweden allready are way better off than the USA financially, with much heavier taxes, that both go towards health care(among other things), and are faring far better than the USA, I don't pick a side of the fence but shut the fuck up, seriously.

 

[YuHusker1]

Eric
If you do not like them then do not view them. Real simple.

 

[Epic Leprikon]

I know, and I totally agree, I just would rather not have to avoid them, which is the reason I came to this board. If you want to talk politics, go somewhere else, this board is for sports.

 

[YuHusker1]

You are wrong and their people have way higher taxes and fewer rights and certain people and freedoms we currently have and are guaranteed under the constitution are persecuted by their governments and where do their people come to get things done medically if they have the money The USA cause cures for a lot of things are not allowed, brought up or are very rationed under the systems in those counties. Why MONEY cause they cannot TAX people or companies enough to make things work the way they sold the progam or forced to program down their peoples throats. And they are going backrupt they are having to look and redoing the European Union stuff to try to make it work but are running out of money. VAT cannot make it work 50 and 60% taxes cannot make it work it bankrupts everything. If enough companies and people do not have enough disposable income you do not have a variety of and broad base of businesses and the economy is then made more fragile. So the slightest thing destroys it.