Scary news about Manny Burriss

[MarcoPolo]

Game starts on ESPN2 in about 15 minutes!!! (I wonder what crappy announcers they are going to have this time.)

 

[calsnowskier]

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying Manny is the best thing since Nick Lowery. I am saying that there is more to the discussion than simply wha each of them has done in the last year or two.

Age.
Salary.
Trend.
Expectation.
Trade value.
Options.
Etc, etc, etc.

As for Manny's numbers, he did ave a decent year in AAA last year (.297, 24 SB). No all star, but he may be close enough to what Font or Riot bring to make them expendable.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I keep hearing that Burriss won't make it through waivers. So why not go out there ant try to trade him right now? It's not like he's going to be a difference-maker in the Majors.

Go get a middle reliever or a prospect for him and send him on his merry way.

Sounds like Sabes and the Phils should be talking, seeing as we've cornered the market on backup 2B's:

Quick Hits: Getz, Utley, Phillies, Giants, Madson: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

•The Phillies are said to be looking for infield depth with Chase Utley sidelined but the second baseman insists that he will be back at some point this year, tweets Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com.
•The spring play of Giants shortstop Joaquin Arias and the performance of Emmanuel Burriss has the club confident enough to put out trade feelers for Mike Fontenot and Ryan Theriot, writes Andrew Baggarly of CSNBayArea.com.

 

[filosofy29]

Burriss' spring in 2009 : .345/.418/.437/.855 (95 PAs, most on the team)
Burriss' MLB stats of 2009 : .238/.292/.267/.560
(Burriss wasn't injured in the majors in '09 - he was injured after getting sent down.)

That's real bad - that's Neifi-bad !

I'm not saying that Manny is going to be Chase Utley anytime soon. I was just reporting what I heard. I'm not 100% sold on Burriss either, but the above stats don't refute, nor are they indicative of the supposed change to a lighter bat for this Spring Training.

And yes, Neifi was terrible.

 

[msgkings322]

I'm not saying that Manny is going to be Chase Utley anytime soon. I was just reporting what I heard. I'm not 100% sold on Burriss either, but the above stats don't refute, nor are they indicative of the supposed change to a lighter bat for this Spring Training.

And yes, Neifi was terrible.

It's been scientifically proven actually:

Neifi Perez: Bad baseball Hall of Famer - Baseball - Salon.com

Bascially this writer noticed that teams with Neifi on them had higher winning percentages when he didn't play (injuries and so on) than when he did.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Yeah, I coined the term "hitting below the Neifi-line" to refer to exceptionally bad hitters. Not *quite* as bad as Mario Mendoza, but the most recent horrid example of offensive futility.

 

[tzill]

Good one .

But Manny *hasn't* gotten better as he ages. Maybe this is his year, but so far he's gotten worse every season in the majors. As he gets older, instead of improving, he worsens.

2008 : .283/.357/.329/.686
2009 : .238/.292/.267/.560
2010 : (only had 5 PAs)
2011 : .204/.253/.212/.465

I hope that the Giants' brain trust knows what they are doing. It could be that that are simply waiting until every (most) team's 40-man roster is full (say, a week after the season starts) before placing Burriss on waivers. Or maybe Burriss is being talked up because they want to trade him, but don't want to make it obvious, so they are floating rumors of Font or Theriot.

I'd hate to lose Theriot, simply because he's always done well against LHP, and a SS/2B backup that can start or PH against lefties would be very useful.

It's also true that Burriss is (most likely) a cheaper alternative at 2B. Next year he will again be arb-eligible and if he plays well, he would probably be awarded close to what Theriot or Font would earn. If not, then he would probably be in the same situation as this year ("hey kid, take this low contract or we just cut you and you can take your chances getting signed by another team.") And Burriss has been "utilitied" to death the last year, taking spots at all kinds of new positions on the field.

I hope they make the right choice, but based on his history, Burriss isn't the right one. I actually hope I'm wrong in this case; a Burriss that is successful is better for the team than one that isn't.

Very little chance of that, IMO. If Franchez ever gets healthy, it'll come down to Swamp Thing vs. Manny for that 7th IF spot.

 

[gp956]

Theriot last year vs. LHP:

310/356/413 105 OPS+

Theriot lifetime vs. LHP:

301/373/401 122 tOPS+

Burriss lifetime:

250/311/281 60 OPS+

no significant difference hitting LH vs. RH. I don't know if Riot qualifies as "special," but against LHP he's a major league hitter.

I can't say that for Manny from either side of the plate.

But is he a major league shortstop? UZR hates him there.

 

[Stokes1931]

What the hell, I'd rather see Panik in the mix. The kid can flat out hit. Yeah, I know, he needs seasoning, and needs to be Jimmy-Jacked for a few seasons to earn his way onto the squad. He will be up in a few years, why not now?

 

[SFAnthem]

Like a YouTube rabbit hole, this thread started with the promise of a young Burris possibly putting things together and ended up at Neifi Perez *shudders*

All I am saying..is give speed a chance

 

[MarcoPolo]

What the hell, I'd rather see Panik in the mix. The kid can flat out hit. Yeah, I know, he needs seasoning, and needs to be Jimmy-Jacked for a few seasons to earn his way onto the squad. He will be up in a few years, why not now?

That's funny. You should do stand-up.

 

[Mays-Fan]

What the hell, I'd rather see Panik in the mix. The kid can flat out hit. Yeah, I know, he needs seasoning, and needs to be Jimmy-Jacked for a few seasons to earn his way onto the squad. He will be up in a few years, why not now?

More wonderful marketing and merchandising opportunities.

Panik Attack.

Widespread Panik.

Panik Maniks (his fan club).

Just Another Panik Monday.

The possibilities are endless.

 

[tzill]

But is he a major league shortstop? UZR hates him there.

I'd say no, but he'll not be playing SS very often. He's a 2B guy and Swamp is the SS.

 

[tzill]

More wonderful marketing and merchandising opportunities.

Panik Attack.

Widespread Panik.

Panik Maniks (his fan club).

Just Another Panik Monday.

The possibilities are endless.

A Retro 70s night "Panik at the Disco?"

 

[Heathbar012]

A Retro 70s night "Panik at the Disco?"

Ohhhhhh, so bad, it's good. 9/10. Very Punny.

 

[jingo]

Pinch hit call - push the Panic button

 

[MarcoPolo]

Good one .

But Manny *hasn't* gotten better as he ages. Maybe this is his year, but so far he's gotten worse every season in the majors. As he gets older, instead of improving, he worsens.

2008 : .283/.357/.329/.686
2009 : .238/.292/.267/.560
2010 : (only had 5 PAs)
2011 : .204/.253/.212/.465

I hope that the Giants' brain trust knows what they are doing. It could be that that are simply waiting until every (most) team's 40-man roster is full (say, a week after the season starts) before placing Burriss on waivers. Or maybe Burriss is being talked up because they want to trade him, but don't want to make it obvious, so they are floating rumors of Font or Theriot.

I'd hate to lose Theriot, simply because he's always done well against LHP, and a SS/2B backup that can start or PH against lefties would be very useful.

It's also true that Burriss is (most likely) a cheaper alternative at 2B. Next year he will again be arb-eligible and if he plays well, he would probably be awarded close to what Theriot or Font would earn. If not, then he would probably be in the same situation as this year ("hey kid, take this low contract or we just cut you and you can take your chances getting signed by another team.") And Burriss has been "utilitied" to death the last year, taking spots at all kinds of new positions on the field.

I hope they make the right choice, but based on his history, Burriss isn't the right one. I actually hope I'm wrong in this case; a Burriss that is successful is better for the team than one that isn't.

Mid-season "time to take stock" :

Manny so far this year : .208/.273/.217/.489
Riot : .274/.314/.320/.634 (he's hitting slightly better against RHP)
Kepp : .319/.376/.430/.806

Ouch !!

 

[gp956]

Mid-season "time to take stock" :

Manny so far this year : .208/.273/.217/.489
Riot : .274/.314/.320/.634 (he's hitting slightly better against RHP)
Kepp : .319/.376/.430/.806

Ouch !!

Kepp is clearly a better hitter than any of the Giants middle infielders, starters and back-ups. Mike Fontenot is really the guy they should have kept, though.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Kepp is clearly a better hitter than any of the Giants middle infielders, starters and back-ups. Mike Fontenot is really the guy they should have kept, though.

Don't see how I missed Font. So far : .314 /.359/.372/.731.

Not much power, but he sure is getting on base a lot. (He hasn't played short yet for the Phils).

And I suppose I should toss Arias in as well :
.244/.284/.324/.608

 

[CameronFrye]

Kepp is clearly a better hitter than any of the Giants middle infielders, starters and back-ups. Mike Fontenot is really the guy they should have kept, though.

I would MUCH rather see Fontenot in the lineup than BurrASs.