Lakers Alltime Team Vs the NBA

[shitsho]

If you're kidding, haha. If you're serious

You must have missed that part in my post that expressed that exact sentiment.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[Shanemansj13]

Instead of saying you know more, prove it.

Compare Malone and Duncan. It is hard to compare from eras, but I'm sure we can come to a conclusion.

I know Malone is a top 50 player of all-time, what would Timmy be?

 

[RobToxin]

I love Timmy. Really do.

But I just don't know if Timmy could have taken four nobodies and carried them past Magic, Worthy and Kareem and then all the way to the NBA Finals and sent the Larry Bird Celtics to six games.

I do know Moses Malone was capable of doing that. Because he did.

 

[bksballer89]

Instead of saying you know more, prove it.

Compare Malone and Duncan. It is hard to compare from eras, but I'm sure we can come to a conclusion.

I know Malone is a top 50 player of all-time, what would Timmy be?

Top 10 or top 15?

 

[HammerDown]

Top 10 or top 15?

He'd be top 15 since he's been in the league. If the Spurs had faltered in the playoffs you guys wouldn't even be mentioning him. Many of you are too young and reactionary to have a valid opinion when we start talking about all-time greats. Moses Malone would have victimized Timmy on both ends of the floor. And I'm a shameless Fundamental fan.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Timmy would still be a top 50 player with only one championship like Malone.

Stat wise, compare Malone and Timmy and they are somewhat even. Duncan just has the rings. That is what make great players even greater.

We could do that with EVERY PLAYER. What if MJ didn't have six rings, he wouldn't be the greatest of all-time. The facts are Duncan has 4 rings.

 

[Jims_Doors]

Talking about great players on bad teams carrying them.....

Moses Malone carried a below .500 Houston team to the NBA Finals and had them 2-2 with the Celtics after four games.

The Bird-McHale etc 80s Celtics.

The other 4 starters were: Billy Paultz, Robert Reid, Mike Dunleavy and Tom Henderson.

Yeah....

That was in 1980-81, McHale's rookie season (and Bird's 2nd) He avg. 8.5pts and 3.5 boards in just over 17mpg in those playoffs. He was still raw and learning the game.

Not taking anything away from Moses, but just wasn't the McHale we all know.

 

[shitsho]

Instead of saying you know more, prove it.

Compare Malone and Duncan. It is hard to compare from eras, but I'm sure we can come to a conclusion.

I know Malone is a top 50 player of all-time, what would Timmy be?

How could I prove it? Who is qualified to judge? If you disagree then you get to say I don't know what I'm talking about. Timmy is top 15 for sure.

 

[Jims_Doors]

The Lakers were swept because three of their top 5 players were hobbled. The Lakers without their starting lineup were still the second best team in the league. Moses and Dr. J really peaked then. My Dad took me to see both of these teams in Atlanta at the Omni in '83 and I got my pic standing about 10' away from Magic before the game. I remember Chocolate Thunder doing 360's during warmups and wowing the crowd.

Which 3 top players were they missing?

 

[bksballer89]

Yeah Timmy D is top 15 for sure....If he won a title this year I would of put him in the top 10

 

[Shanemansj13]

How could I prove it? Who is qualified to judge? If you disagree then you get to say I don't know what I'm talking about. Timmy is top 15 for sure.

PER is a good tool.

 

[HammerDown]

Which 3 top players were they missing?

Big Game, Stormin' Norman and Bob McAdoo. The guts of the team.

 

[HammerDown]

Yeah Timmy D is top 15 for sure....If he won a title this year I would of put him in the top 10

Do you not understand how absurd that is? So in other words, if the Spurs had scored just a few more points in one single game, Timmy bumps five other all-time greats out? Man, you can't be serious. When did you start watching basketball? I'm going to guess that you were too young to see David Robinson at his peak. Am I right?

 

[HammerDown]

BTW, since we debate about this kinda stuff endlessly and always will, have we ever done a real, legit, conclusive "Top 15 All-Time Greats" thread? No rules, no bullshit, just pick your Top 15 all-time. If we have that thread I don't know about it.

 

[shitsho]

PER is a good tool.

I like PER but its not even close to the end all be all. You can take a lesser role for the good of the team and wind up lowering your PER. You cant measure leadership and a players affect on opposing defensive or offensive schemes. Good example. I played PG and SG in high school. We were playing this team that had a guy that was killing us in the post. Coach put me on him on the defensive end where I fronted him. We won but I only scored 5 points. How do you measure stuff like that?

 

[HammerDown]

I like PER but its not even close to the end all be all. You can take a lesser role for the good of the team and wind up lowering your PER. You cant measure leadership and a players affect on opposing defensive or offensive schemes. Good example. I played PG and SG in high school. We were playing this team that had a guy that was killing us in the post. Coach put me on him on the defensive end where I fronted him. We won but I only scored 5 points. How do you measure stuff like that?

Sounds like in addition to being a defensive stopper, you have "intangibles" monstho. You have "it."

 

[piss-tons]

I like PER but its not even close to the end all be all. You can take a lesser role for the good of the team and wind up lowering your PER. You cant measure leadership and a players affect on opposing defensive or offensive schemes. Good example. I played PG and SG in high school. We were playing this team that had a guy that was killing us in the post. Coach put me on him on the defensive end where I fronted him. We won but I only scored 5 points. How do you measure stuff like that?

PER also doesn't account for defense, which is half the game. Also it is too biased towards players that play in a slower paced system, which is why Lopez was a top 5 or 6 player in terms of PER. Its a good stat, just not perfect. It also favors volume scorers too.

 

[bksballer89]

Do you not understand how absurd that is? So in other words, if the Spurs had scored just a few more points in one single game, Timmy bumps five other all-time greats out? Man, you can't be serious. When did you start watching basketball? I'm going to guess that you were too young to see David Robinson at his peak. Am I right?

Championships does mean something right? At least according to Lakers fans.

 

[shitsho]

Sounds like in addition to being a defensive stopper, you have "intangibles" monstho. You have "it."

That was a 1 time effort and I was drained but thanks for the compliment.