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[Chef99]

Y'know what's kinda funny?

Some team might get Belichick on the cheap.

I mean REALLY cheap, if at all.

I think the best thing for him to do is wait until next year.

I think that would be a very smart move.

 

[TREFF]

Y'know what's kinda funny?

Some team might get Belichick on the cheap.

I mean REALLY cheap, if at all.

I think the best thing for him to do is wait until next year.

I think that would be a very smart move.

But he's 100 years old, how many 'next' years does he have?

Personally I feel if he doesn't get one this year, he might be out of it

 

[Bandit]

It does, its a trigger that is supposed to keep players from continuously being tagged. It's why Kirk Cousin made SOO much money his final couple year in Washington.

"An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

For any player to be tagged in two straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary. If tagged in three straight years, the team must pay the player 144 percent of his previous salary, or an average of the top 5 salaries at the highest-paid position (likely QB), whichever is higher."

The distinction between the first year, and the second consecutive year being, that the option of the 'average of the top 5 paid players at his position' is no longer an option, and it's straight %120 of his previous salary (which by definition was already in the middle of that top 5 or greater, being an average of that number the year before, or 120% of his previous year, under the original franchise number terms )

And since neither actually signed his franchise tag, nor did they play under it given that they signed one year deals, it would be my assumption that IF they were to be franchised, it would still be as a first time..which would be likely significantly lower than it was last year now that Zeke and Henry are no longer skewing the average of the top five.

But I could be totally wrong and since they missed the free agency period while under the franchise tag, not being able to negotiate with other teams, perhaps it would count, and the '24 offseason would be franchise tag #2?? F if I know

That's the part I was wondering, but I'm not sure why it would have made sense for those guys to sign the contracts they did if they could be tagged again as a first timer again. I found this chart from overthecap.com about the estimate of how much the tags will be next year. This is still a guess because it's based on what the actual salary cap number is next year. Franchise, Transition and RFA Tenders | Over the Cap

2024 Projected Franchise and Transition Tenders​

Position	Franchise Tag	Transition Tag
QB	$35,952,000	$31,158,000
DE	$23,348,000	$20,141,000
LB	$21,922,000	$18,599,000
OL	$21,720,000	$19,718,000
WR	$21,665,000	$19,398,000
DT	$19,753,000	$15,798,000
CB	$18,421,000	$15,889,000
S	$17,220,000	$13,957,000
RB	$12,419,000	$10,104,000
TE	$12,371,000	$10,564,000
ST	$5,827,000	$5,286,000

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But he's 100 years old, how many 'next' years does he have?

Personally I feel if he doesn't get one this year, he might be out of it

I disagree... I would bet that he won't take a job this next season... but I can absolutely see a team panic and get him.... and any team that does get him will regret it IMO... I think he is done...

 

[Bandit]

I also found this on there. Top five cap hits in 2024. Kamara and Aaron Jones will either be reworking deals or getting cut:

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[broncosmitty]

But he's 100 years old, how many 'next' years does he have?

Personally I feel if he doesn't get one this year, he might be out of it

He should be out of it.

I’d think the only team living off his past success would be the one that let him go.

 

[wilwhite]

I'd only put BB in charge of a team with a solid veteran QB and a D that needs some work.

Like if Cousins stays with the Vikings - but it's too soon to pull the plug on Kevin O'Connell. Possibly New Orleans, but same deal.

He may be stuck having to settle for a three-way-tie for most losses.

 

[TREFF]

I'd only put BB in charge of a team with a solid veteran QB and a D that needs some work.

Like if Cousins stays with the Vikings - but it's too soon to pull the plug on Kevin O'Connell. Possibly New Orleans, but same deal.

He may be stuck having to settle for a three-way-tie for most losses.

Well Atlanta would have fit the bill, working under the assumption that they go get a veteran QB- it ain't like there isn't plenty available, some of whom he's worked with before with success.. Brissett, JimmyG, along with Teddy Brdigewater, Minshew, Tannehill, Thai Stick, Darnold, Mayfield, Flacco, probably Russel WIlson.
And defense was already solid, with the talent to possibly be elite.

But they wanna go with a different brand of retread with much less of a successful track record, so I dunno wtf they're thinking with Raheem Morris. cheaper for sure, but still a defensive head coach, and not a proven winner.
Given Pitts, B. Robinson, and London around, if it wasn't gonna be a proven, elite coach like a BB, I was sure they'd go with an offensive dude, some Shannahan/Kubiak/McVay disciple, or maybe a Kellen WInslow, Eric Bienemy type successful OC rookie HC type deal.

I just don't see Raheem Morris as the guy who will bring in an offensive system that'll unlock those three potential elite offensive weapons, and the D was fine the way it was.

Back on topic-
With only Washington and Seattle left..I do believe the Hoody is done. I sure don't see anyone willing to let him have his type of control being mid seventies AND out of the league for a year, this time in 2025. It's already very arguable that the league has passed him by today.

And on a side bar, but related note..I hope Mac Jones either re-takes the Patriots job, or is traded and has success, just to stick it to BB. Belechick did him DIRTY his entire career.

 

[averagejoe]

I hope Mac Jones either re-takes the Patriots job, or is traded and has success,

What was Jones' scouting report coming into the NFL?

 

[TREFF]

What was Jones' scouting report coming into the NFL?

obviously there were conflicting opinions, but the prevailing opinion at the time was that he could be a "plus" NFL QB, perhaps not right away, but given a year or two. not a big arm, but smart, made good decisions, usually went through progressions but could lock onto a primary at times, could succeed in an NFL offense, the typical 'can make all the throws", yada yada. Most had him projected round 1, some early round 1, a few outliers had him falling into the second.

And at the time, before CJ Stroud was a thing, he had one of the best Rookie campaigns ever from a production POV under Josh MCD's. top 3 if I recall correctly. then he ges a defensive coordinator to implement a new system which predictably crashed and burnt spectacularly, and then '23 season, we thought there was an actual OC in place, but turns out that guy only confirmed the suspicion that he's completely lost any handle he used to have on the game. BB never wanted Mac to start with, replaced him with Zappe, who may have looked better at times, but overall Zappe had a lower comp %, lower TD rate, higher INT rate, lower QBR.

Local Denver dudes have been chattering pretty hard that Mac Jones would be the perfect guy for Sean Peyton to bring in to replace Russ. Mac stays on schedule, stays within the system, doesn't have to improvise in order to make a throw, exactly what Peyton and Brees had success doing. And hopefully, draft a kid in the early/mid rounds to develop behind him.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

What was Jones' scouting report coming into the NFL?

He was so good every team with a dire need at QB passed on him, lol

Just a guy, nothing more nothing less. Never will be a difference maker but could be a good game manager. Not sure anyone had him as a "franchise" qb coming out of college, falling to mid first kinda proves that too

 

[TREFF]

He was so good every team with a dire need at QB passed on him, lol

Just a guy, nothing more nothing less. Never will be a difference maker but could be a good game manager. Not sure anyone had him as a "franchise" qb coming out of college, falling to mid first kinda proves that too

I dunno about every team with a dire need passing on him, or that being picked mid first proves anything
It was a seemingly QB heavy draft, everyone loved Lawrence and Zac WIlson..split opinions on Trey Lance, although up until draft day, SF was hedging between Lance and Jones. SO I guess it could be said that SF passed on him. I wouldn't/won't say it was a slight on Jones that Jax took Lawrence or that the Jets took Wilson. But after the Niners trade/pick of Lance, no QB desperate team picked again until Denver at #9, Carolina was still flirting with their former #1 Darnold, and Chicago took Feilds at 11, and we all know that they don't count when it comes to evaluating QB's anyways Denver hasn't picked a decent QB in the draft since Elway either. Maybe Greise?

In most people's opinions, at least those that were reported on anyways, Mac was at worst the third best QB available in that draft, I don't hold it against him that a few known to be bad GM's took lesser options or otherwise passed.

Let not forget, every team passed on Brady 6 times, Dan Marino was the 6th QB taken in '83, many people thought Ryan Leaf was the better QB over Peyton Manning, every team passed on Drew Brees as he fell to the second-not to mention the team that drafted him tossed him aside, Romo and Warner undrafted completely. Chicago traded the farm to take Trubs and let Mahomes fall to ten, every team but one passed on Lamar, Josh Allen was the third QB taken in his draft. Falling into the middle first, or into the second, or even later..doesn't prove anything more than being drafted 1.1 does, which is nothing.

Now, I would agree that he's more than likely nothing more than a nice game manager, he's never going to be the guy that takes mediocre weapons and elevates them to studs, or at least I don' think he will be. But he's a helluvalot better than holding a clipboard for Bailey friggin Zappe.

 

[averagejoe]

Chicago traded the farm to take Trubs and let Mahomes fall to ten

While this has been lamented at nauseum, it had come to light that only 2 NFL teams had Mahomes ranked #1 ahead of Trubisky and Watson. And one reason Mahomes "fell" to 10 was because the scouts knew most NFL teams did not see Mahomes as the #1.

So besides the obvious team of KC, care to guess who the other NFL team was that had Mahomes #1?

Spoiler

Sean Payton & the Saints

 

[TREFF]

While this has been lamented at nauseum, it had come to light that only 2 NFL teams had Mahomes ranked #1 ahead of Trubisky and Watson. And one reason Mahomes "fell" to 10 was because the scouts knew most NFL teams did not see Mahomes as the #1.

So besides the obvious team of KC, care to guess who the other NFL team was that had Mahomes #1?

Spoiler

Sean Payton & the Saints

Fer sure, and I wasnt trying to beat a dead horse on that, just saying hindsigt is always 20/20, draft position just doesn't prove anything. Outside of the higher your drafted, the longer the leash, the more strikes you get, and your unitial contract, draft position means squat.

Wouldn't matter if Mac Jones was drafted #1, #15, or seventh round, he's still what he is. Same with Trubs, Mahomes, Brady, and everyone else

 

[Chef99]

I dunno about every team with a dire need passing on him, or that being picked mid first proves anything
It was a seemingly QB heavy draft, everyone loved Lawrence and Zac WIlson..split opinions on Trey Lance, although up until draft day, SF was hedging between Lance and Jones. SO I guess it could be said that SF passed on him. I wouldn't/won't say it was a slight on Jones that Jax took Lawrence or that the Jets took Wilson. But after the Niners trade/pick of Lance, no QB desperate team picked again until Denver at #9, Carolina was still flirting with their former #1 Darnold, and Chicago took Feilds at 11, and we all know that they don't count when it comes to evaluating QB's anyways Denver hasn't picked a decent QB in the draft since Elway either. Maybe Greise?

In most people's opinions, at least those that were reported on anyways, Mac was at worst the third best QB available in that draft, I don't hold it against him that a few known to be bad GM's took lesser options or otherwise passed.

Let not forget, every team passed on Brady 6 times, Dan Marino was the 6th QB taken in '83, many people thought Ryan Leaf was the better QB over Peyton Manning, every team passed on Drew Brees as he fell to the second-not to mention the team that drafted him tossed him aside, Romo and Warner undrafted completely. Chicago traded the farm to take Trubs and let Mahomes fall to ten, every team but one passed on Lamar, Josh Allen was the third QB taken in his draft. Falling into the middle first, or into the second, or even later..doesn't prove anything more than being drafted 1.1 does, which is nothing.

Now, I would agree that he's more than likely nothing more than a nice game manager, he's never going to be the guy that takes mediocre weapons and elevates them to studs, or at least I don' think he will be. But he's a helluvalot better than holding a clipboard for Bailey friggin Zappe.

So Mac is an unlucky Purdy?

 

[TREFF]

So Mac is an unlucky Purdy?

Ya know, probably ain't far off from being true.

Purdy needs exact condition to thrive, take any of them away, he's not quite so great

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Oh man it's time for me to log out of the hoop for a while when we reached the "Mac is like Purdy" part of the fantasy off season, lol

One has a job, that's all the comparison needed

 

[TREFF]

Oh man it's time for me to log out of the hoop for a while when we reached the "Mac is like Purdy" part of the fantasy off season, lol

One has a job, that's all the comparison needed

One has a job, and CMAC, and Kittle, and Ayuik, and Deebo, and the best offensive system in the league.

The other had Bill OBrien

I'll take Mac for better production if he was a Niner any day.

I mean if Barry is hands down better than Emmit because of the line, and Irvin, and Aikmen...well...

 

[TREFF]

I'm not trying intentionally to be argumentative, but the truth is, we have no idea what Mac would or would not do if he had a great team, and an offensive minded coaching staff (not stuck in the '00's), around him. The best offensive weapon he's had his entire career is a 4th round RB, or maybe a couple TE's who washed out with their original team. What we do know is that, as a rookie, with a decent OC, he was more successful than most anticipated he would be, and all he had to work with was Harris, Henry, Stevenson, Agholor and J. Meyers. And then it went to shit under Patricia and O'Brian

Likewise, we have no idea what Purdy would do without all the things he has, all we know is that he is very successful within that system.

I have very serious doubts that Purdy would be successful, at all, if he was in NE, in Mac's shoes, and pretty heavy confidence that Mac would be successful in SF. As good as Purdy? maybe not, but maybe so.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I'm not trying intentionally to be argumentative, but the truth is, we have no idea what Mac would or would not do if he had a great team, and an offensive minded coaching staff (not stuck in the '00's), around him. The best offensive weapon he's had his entire career is a 4th round RB, or maybe a couple TE's who washed out with their original team. What we do know is that, as a rookie, with a decent OC, he was more successful than most anticipated he would be, and all he had to work with was Harris, Henry, Stevenson, Agholor and J. Meyers. And then it went to shit under Patricia and O'Brian

Likewise, we have no idea what Purdy would do without all the things he has, all we know is that he is very successful within that system.

I have very serious doubts that Purdy would be successful, at all, if he was in NE, in Mac's shoes, and pretty heavy confidence that Mac would be successful in SF. As good as Purdy? maybe not, but maybe so.

Purdy beat out JimmyG (led team to SB loss), Trey Lance (early 1st rd pick), and Sam Darnold (former early 1st rd pick) in order to earn his playing time.

Mac got beaten out by Bailey Zappe to lose his.

You would need to call a doctor after 6hrs if Mac ever put up the numbers Purdy did this season

1st in yards/att
4th in completion %
5th in yards
3rd in TDs
1st in QBR
#1 seed in NFC and playing in the conference championship game
---All in his first full year as the starter, talk about doing better than anyone expected!

Mac ain't magically doing all that just by switching teams.

Not sure if you're giving way too much credit to SF's staff or way too much credit to NWE's staff for the performances we've seen on the field.

Mac would be extremely lucky to have a Ryan Tannehill career arc moving forward, go somewhere new, have a lot of chips fall right, not be the focal point of the offense, maybe be a backend QB1 for a couple seasons for fantasy - if he's lucky. Maybe we'll get to use Baker as a better example but let's see him do it more than one season first.

Mac isn't competing/won't be competing with the QBs in the league right now for starting time, he'll be competing with future 1st and 2nd rd picks wherever he lands, and my money would be on the future draft picks