Game Thread: Bumgarner vs Syndergaard

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Pitching wins the playoffs.

Pitching wins championships, except when it doesn't.

 

[Cedrique]

All one can say after that game... Fuck the Mets. Go Phillies!

The Phillies done went. Not to worry though-fast forward to next year and everyone in here will be butchering Rhys Hoskins' name as they marvel at his 50 HR season......

 

[Omar 382]

The Phillies done went. Not to worry though-fast forward to next year and everyone in here will be butchering Rhys Hoskins' name as they marvel at his 50 HR season......

It will be an orgy of as VV strikes out batter after batter in route to yet another Phillies championship

 

[Cedrique]

Word

 

[calsnowskier]

There are, of course, exceptions to every idiom, but good pitching beats good hitting. But bad hitting beats bad pitching.

In the regular season, you face "bad pitching" more often than not. Not only are you facing non-playoffs teams most nights, but you are facing a non-top-4 SP AT LEAST 20% of the time. In the playoffs, you never face a non-top-4 SP, and you never face a non-playoff rotation.

 

[Omar 382]

Word

 

[Omar 382]

That word was actually to Ced, but word to you cal as well

 

[The Q]

amazingly, Bumgarner has lost 3 times in the playoffs before .

But never in a WC game or WS game.

 

[calsnowskier]

amazingly, Bumgarner has lost 3 times in the playoffs before .

But never in a WC game or WS game.

Giants are the first team to win 2 WC games.

Giants have won 11 consecutive playoffs rounds.

Giants have won 9 consecutive playoffs games while facing elimination.

In the 2016 regular-season, the Giants never once scored in the 9th inning to tie the game OR take the lead.

 

[calsnowskier]

The Giants are currently on a 5-game winning streak. Since the ASB, ignoring the current streak, the Giants have won 3 in-a-row exactly once, and never 4.

 

[The Q]

Bochy = evil sorcerer.

No doubt about it.

 

[Cedrique]

There are, of course, exceptions to every idiom, but good pitching beats good hitting. But bad hitting beats bad pitching.

In the regular season, you face "bad pitching" more often than not. Not only are you facing non-playoffs teams most nights, but you are facing a non-top-4 SP AT LEAST 20% of the time. In the playoffs, you never face a non-top-4 SP, and you never face a non-playoff rotation.

completely agree (except I'd use "mediocre hitting" instead of bad). There are a lot of guys making a lot of money feasting on inferior pitching.

 

[Clayton]

There are, of course, exceptions to every idiom, but good pitching beats good hitting. But bad hitting beats bad pitching.

This is obviously total BS.

Unless you think Conor Gillaspie is 'good' and Jeruys Familia is 'bad'

 

[Clayton]

For me, playoffs are about scouting, health, coaching and mental toughness. Obviously pitching is essential but almost everyone has pitching in this day and age if you're able to make the playoffs. Its a really, really hard sell to tell me that the Mets didn't have the pitching to beat the Giants.

 

[fullxtension]

...and there was much rejoicing.

 

[redseat]

They showed on TV his foot pretty clearly came off the bag with the tag still on him.

Most have been after I switched the channel because every angle I saw he looked safe.

 

[The Q]

Most have been after I switched the channel because every angle I saw he looked safe.

He clearly beat it initially. But his front foot came off the bag after that.

 

[Omar 382]

The Cubs had 4 wins against the Giants this season and the Giants had 3 wins against the Cubs. Hitting gets you into the playoffs. Pitching wins the playoffs.

As per common sense-

"There’s always talk about teams who want to ride an ace to a championship. The talk takes place because it’s a reasonably easy thing to imagine, a pitcher repeatedly going out and taking control from start to finish. This is not the way the world works. This is not the way the playoffs work. Except that, sometimes, it very much is, it unforgettably is, and then all you need is one good swing from literally anyone in support. It could be Conor Gillaspie, it could be Hunter Pence, it could be Gorkys Hernandez. In theory, an ace can make winning so simple. It almost never actually is, but it is often enough for the myth to survive.

And so teams will seek their No. 1s, hoping to catch some Bumgarner in a bottle. Hoping to find someone who makes it comfortable, who makes it uncomplicated. For every classic Bumgarner, there are a few Wednesday Syndergaards, tales of great pitchers who still needed help. But the pull of playoff simplicity is unrelenting. Every team wants that which very rarely happens."

The Dream and the Nightmare of Having an Ace | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[The Q]

Bumgarner needed help too.

He didn't hit the homer .

 

[Omar 382]

I disagree. Bumgarner is the best in the business right now, but the Giants have a solid rotation with Queto, Samardzija, and Moore, not to mention their bullpen.

Yeah, no