Eagles post game

[gkekoa]

thought he gave that right to eb when the took the offense over.

I am sure he did but he is the HC. He can override the OC any time.

 

[gkekoa]

Sure there was a chance slye could miss the XP. No doubt. Calling going to overtime dumb is ridiculous. I already put my reasoning up. It’s ou put the reasoning of others up.not defending RR either.

You put the reasoning of others up. It is poor reasoning. When I show you the odds, and you still think it was a good decision, that is just being foolish by choice.

 

[deanpet21]

You put the reasoning of others up. It is poor reasoning. When I show you the odds, and you still think it was a good decision, that is just being foolish by choice.

others had the same reasoning as I did. Peyton Manning did. You think Peyton Manning is foolish? The fact you as bashing RR for this is ridiculous IMO. You have a right to your opinion on going for 2 and I understand why you thought we should have done it. I disagree.

 

[chillerdab]

You have it backwards. Ron tells the team I believe in you by going into OT. He tells his team "we need to take stupid chances" by going for it.

The Brown TD was kind of dumb. Sirianni had to defend himself on that one. Possession matters most and the week before we ran for ten minutes to seal the win.

You have a point, so I guess it just depends on your interpretation.

Brown was having his way with the rookie, so maybe Siriani wanted to try to put the game away. Maybe Hurts was supposed to check down. Maybe maybe maybe.

Maybe RR’s message is “I believe in you” by going for the win, and “I coach scared because I dont believe in you” by settling for the tie. Maybe maybe maybe.

In any case both teams could have won and the Eagles did win, so hats of to them.

 

[gkekoa]

others had the same reasoning as I did. Peyton Manning did. You think Peyton Manning is foolish? The fact you as bashing RR for this is ridiculous IMO. You have a right to your opinion on going for 2 and I understand why you thought we should have done it. I disagree.

As much as I love Peyton, he is wrong too. It is old thinking to believe going for OT is good football. The XP today makes the decision much easier because it is not automatic.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Stymietee]

1+1=2!
Now if we can agree on the basic rules that we all live by, then we can all agree that the decision isn't the issue, the final results are the ONLY things that matter.
Put yourself In Josh Harris's position, who is now evaluating everything about this franchise. Does he make decisions about Rivera based upon what he would have done in that circumstance or on what happened at the end of that game?
It really doesn't matter if Rivera had gone for two or did what he actually did, kick the extra point, the bottom line is... did his decision lead to the desired outcome? We now know that it didn't, so if I'm Josh Harris, if 1(his decision) + 1 (the desired outcome) doesn't equal 2 (wins) then its a bad decision.

 

[deanpet21]

1+1=2!
Now if we can agree on the basic rules that we all live by, then we can all agree that the decision isn't the issue, the final results are the ONLY things that matter.
Put yourself In Josh Harris's position, who is now evaluating everything about this franchise. Does he make decisions about Rivera based upon what he would have done in that circumstance or on what happened at the end of that game?
It really doesn't matter if Rivera had gone for two or did what he actually did, kick the extra point, the bottom line is... did his decision lead to the desired outcome? We now know that it didn't, so if I'm Josh Harris, if 1(his decision) + 1 (the desired outcome) doesn't equal 2 (wins) then its a bad decision.

Of course, Harris going to look at the win loss record at the end of the year for his evaluation of RR. No one is disputing that. I fully understand that a losing record means RR will be gone. But if Harris is on the fence on what to do for a HC does he look back at this game even knowing it was a loss and say well we took the best team in the NFC to overtime.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

the bears game has sold out,3 straight sell outs is good back to the long string of sell outs at rfk.

 

[skinsdad62]

You can kick the can down the road for a year or you can rip the band aid off .

I look at his record in DC is sub 500 , I look at his entire career no back to back winning seasons

I have to see more then a 9 win season and a playoff win before I commit to him . He needs 2 playoff wins before I kick the can down the road

 

[duke1861]

Of course, Harris going to look at the win loss record at the end of the year for his evaluation of RR. No one is disputing that. I fully understand that a losing record means RR will be gone. But if Harris is on the fence on what to do for a HC does he look back at this game even knowing it was a loss and say well we took the best team in the NFC to overtime.

But he can easily look at the Buffalo game and see how the team was destroyed and the team wasn't prepared.

I think harris will not look at a single game or even a single season. Harris will hopefully look at Riveras full career in CAR and WSH as a coach, and as GM in WSH.
Is 1 winning season in 4 years in Washington and 4 total winning seasons in 13 as a head coach enough to have Rivera stay around and lead this organization?
Like sty said, the data is not Riveras friend at this point in his career. The front office structure is not a friend to Rivera either. Can you name another coach centric model right now that is working Dean? It is a model of the past because it doesn't work anymore.

I believe this is a transition year and I like the professionalism Rivera has brought. I always thought of him as a bridge coach. Rivera has shown in his career that he is not capable of establishing continued success. Sty is is exactly right with his data and conclusion here.

 

[Stymietee]

Of course, Harris going to look at the win loss record at the end of the year for his evaluation of RR. No one is disputing that. I fully understand that a losing record means RR will be gone. But if Harris is on the fence on what to do for a HC does he look back at this game even knowing it was a loss and say well we took the best team in the NFC to overtime.

Your premise is correct, but your reasoning doesn't match the purpose.
The evaluation process covers everything, and this past game is a part of that evaluation. Football is a won/loss business and the focus must remain on wins and losses, not "well we were close!" There are zero participation trophies in the NFL where you get rewarded for staying close. In fact, if you look at the current standings, you'll see wins... losses...close or bonus points for taking the best team in the NFC to overtime. These people are paid big money to win games. They get fired for mediocrity and losses.

 

[skinsdad62]

If he will let go a consistent playoff coach in Doc Rivers , he will let go of a coach who struggles at around 500 .
They are in the business of competing for and winning Super bowls not struggling to reach 500 and a playoff appearance now and then even a win .

The question is after 4 yrs do you think we can make a superbowl this yr or next ?

by my usual metric a coach gets 5 yrs however in that time yr 1 is for eval , yr 2 get your guys to run your system , yr 3 you make a winning record, yr 4 you are competing for championships. Year 5 you cement it .
this has been my philosophy for decades and quite frankly RR has failed to reach even the minimum goals I have set no winning seasons and no where near competing for super bowls , hence my NFC title game appearance expectation

half a decade is clearly enough

 

[duke1861]

If he will let go a consistent playoff coach in Doc Rivers , he will let go of a coach who struggles at around 500 .
They are in the business of competing for and winning Super bowls not struggling to reach 500 and a playoff appearance now and then even a win .

The question is after 4 yrs do you think we can make a superbowl this yr or next ?

by my usual metric a coach gets 5 yrs however in that time yr 1 is for eval , yr 2 get your guys to run your system , yr 3 you make a winning record, yr 4 you are competing for championships. Year 5 you cement it .
this has been my philosophy for decades and quite frankly RR has failed to reach even the minimum goals I have set no winning seasons and no where near competing for super bowls , hence my NFC title game appearance expectation

half a decade is clearly enough

I was shocked that rivers was let go. I don't know 76er basketball inside and out but I was surprised to say the least. As I said, the 76ers were third in the East but lost in the 2nd round.
I agree with Dean that the nba is not the nfl.
I will say that the nfl is inching closer to the nba with adding more post season slots. Half of the nba and NHL make the playoffs, the nfl is not quite half, but getting close.
If harris signed off on doc getting the boot, that tells me he expects results.
Furthermore, I believe that Elton brand is the GM. He is fairly young (early 40s) and appears to be very efficient.

Hopefully, this philosophy spills over to the commanders.
1. Young GM
2. No tolerance for losing

While only 1 team wins each year, the 76ers were picked to go to the East Coast finals by many. They got annihilated in game 2 and blown out in game 7. That must have been too much for harris and brand. Any 76er fans here who can address what really happened?

For the record, I wish the wizards would have hired doc. That is for another thread...sigh

 

[skinz2winz]

Your premise is correct, but your reasoning doesn't match the purpose.
The evaluation process covers everything, and this past game is a part of that evaluation. Football is a won/loss business and the focus must remain on wins and losses, not "well we were close!" There are zero participation trophies in the NFL where you get rewarded for staying close. In fact, if you look at the current standings, you'll see wins... losses...close or bonus points for taking the best team in the NFC to overtime. These people are paid big money to win games. They get fired for mediocrity and losses.

Someone once told me, "Take the emotion out of it", then you will have your answer. I hope this helps you, Dean.

 

[deanpet21]

Your premise is correct, but your reasoning doesn't match the purpose.
The evaluation process covers everything, and this past game is a part of that evaluation. Football is a won/loss business and the focus must remain on wins and losses, not "well we were close!" There are zero participation trophies in the NFL where you get rewarded for staying close. In fact, if you look at the current standings, you'll see wins... losses...close or bonus points for taking the best team in the NFC to overtime. These people are paid big money to win games. They get fired for mediocrity and losses.

True, the final record will be a big factor. Im not disputing that. I dont think Harris thinks we are an elite team and when we bring an elite team to OT with basically a rookie QB that should count, of course not the deciding factor. I know you didn't post a season prediction and I'm willing to bet it would be a losing record if it was posted. Like you said the evaluation process covers everything. Many factors are involved. I don't think its NFC championship or bust for RR like skinsdad said.

 

[skinz2winz]

True, the final record will be a big factor. Im not disputing that. I dont think Harris thinks we are an elite team and when we bring an elite team to OT with basically a rookie QB that should count, of course not the deciding factor. I know you didn't post a season prediction and I'm willing to bet it would be a losing record if it was posted. Like you said the evaluation process covers everything. Many factors are involved. I don't think its NFC championship or bust for RR like skinsdad said.

Wait, I thought dad said 9 wins and a playoff victory? Even that wouldn't work for me. They could get hot (we have seen in recent past) but its an NFC Championship appearance for me or hit the road jack and never come back! As a fan, I demand better than what you provided as HC/GM. His track record is extensive, and it certainly says and reflects who RR is, a mediocre coach.

 

[deanpet21]

If he will let go a consistent playoff coach in Doc Rivers , he will let go of a coach who struggles at around 500 .
They are in the business of competing for and winning Super bowls not struggling to reach 500 and a playoff appearance now and then even a win .

The question is after 4 yrs do you think we can make a superbowl this yr or next ?

by my usual metric a coach gets 5 yrs however in that time yr 1 is for eval , yr 2 get your guys to run your system , yr 3 you make a winning record, yr 4 you are competing for championships. Year 5 you cement it .
this has been my philosophy for decades and quite frankly RR has failed to reach even the minimum goals I have set no winning seasons and no where near competing for super bowls , hence my NFC title game appearance expectation

half a decade is clearly enough

Sure, Harris wants to see results, but he has to be rational too. I dont think harris expects us to go to the Super bowl with a rookie QB and a Vegas win total of only 6.5 games. IF he wants to clean house b/c he is the new owner fine.

You cant compare us to the 76ers. Cmon.

 

[deanpet21]

Wait, I thought dad said 9 wins and a playoff victory? Even that wouldn't work for me. They could get hot (we have seen in recent past) but its an NFC Championship appearance for me or hit the road jack and never come back!

no that was not enough for dad. He wants NFC Championship appearance for RR to be safe.

 

[skinz2winz]

no that was not enough for dad. He wants NFC Championship appearance for RR to be safe.

He is right, we deserve better than Ron Rivera.