Where do the Lakers go from here...?

[Heatles84]

The point is that when you have to give up a good player you take back draft picks that have an unknown potential and future for you and yes it's a gamble but you act like it never has happened and never that could happen when it does it happens every year like that so it's not out of the normal if not an impossibility at all outside of the fact that Popovich hates the Lakers and will be blinded by his hate

The main argument with you is that you're acting like Ingram for Kawhi is a straight up trade and that it's good value for the Spurs. Most on here would refute that statement and say that you're at the very least borderline crazy.

 

[Wamu]

The point is that when you have to give up a good player you take back draft picks that have an unknown potential and future for you and yes it's a gamble but you act like it never has happened and never that could happen when it does it happens every year like that so it's not out of the normal if not an impossibility at all outside of the fact that Popovich hates the Lakers and will be blinded by his hate

What exactly does Pop have to hate about the Lakers? If there is some kinda issue I'm not aware. But I just don't see S.A. trading Kawhi to any WC team. It's not just a Lakers thing. The only way I can see him in the WC if traded is if a team offers some super-deal that can't be turned down. Chances, 5%? But no team has anything like that outside of the Warriors, and they don't need him. Now if he ends up in the EC & walks away from whichever team it is after his contract is up that's up to him obviously. He very well could be a Laker in the future. But I think there's a better chance of that in 2 years not this year.

 

[trojanfan12]

I personally think that Ingram for Leonard is a enough

Not even close. Ingram has great potential and upside. Who knows? Maybe one day he'll be considered to be at Kawhi's level or even better.

But right now? Kawhi is a proven top 5, maybe even top 3 player. Ingram is a guy with potential who has shown flashes here and there of what he could become.

If the Lakers called the Spurs and offered Ingram for Kawhi...I expect the conversation would go something like this.

Lakers: "How about we trade you Brandon Ingram for Kawhi Leonard?

Spurs: "And?"

Lakers: "And what?"

Spurs: And what else?"

Lakers: "Nothing else. Just Brandon for Kawhi"

Spurs: Laughter followed by dial tone.

 

[trojanfan12]

I literally said that Ingram could very well turn out to be a star player. But I'm also saying there's a strong possibility that he won't ever get to the level that Kawhi's on now.

Exactly. What I don't think TLF gets is that Ingram could very well become a star player in this league, with multiple all star selections and still not be as good as Kawhi.

There's no shame or insult in not being as good as Kawhi. The dude is a top 5 or better player in the league.

 

[trojanfan12]

What exactly does Pop have to hate about the Lakers? If there is some kinda issue I'm not aware. But I just don't see S.A. trading Kawhi to any WC team. It's not just a Lakers thing. The only way I can see him in the WC if traded is if a team offers some super-deal that can't be turned down.

It's definitely not just a "Lakers thing" but there is some "Lakers thing" to it. The Lakers and Spurs are rivals just off the fact that they have knocked each other out of the playoffs on several occasions.

I agree that the Spurs would prefer to not trade Kawhi to a WC team at all. But if they had to, they'd want it to be any WC team not named the Lakers. lol

 

[Wamu]

It's definitely not just a "Lakers thing" but there is some "Lakers thing" to it. The Lakers and Spurs are rivals just off the fact that they have knocked each other out of the playoffs on several occasions.

I agree that the Spurs would prefer to not trade Kawhi to a WC team at all. But if they had to, they'd want it to be any WC team not named the Lakers. lol

Okay never though of all the playoff match ups over the years. And I can understand not wanting to help the Lakers out. As a matter of fact I applaud any team that thinks like that.

 

[Shanemansj13]

D'angelo Russell was a #3 as I recall, I personally think that Ingram for Leonard is a enough - but the Spurs are not likely to trade him to a competitor in their own conference - that is a dead on arrival

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Exactly. What I don't think TLF gets is that Ingram could very well become a star player in this league, with multiple all star selections and still not be as good as Kawhi.

There's no shame or insult in not being as good as Kawhi. The dude is a top 5 or better player in the league.

I understand that - but what all you are IGNORING is that these kind of trades HAPPEN EVERY YEAR. NO TEAM ever gets the full value of a star player being traded away and the best that the Spurs can HOPE FOR - is some potential draft picks or young players where their future is still a MYSTERY. It amazes me as to how many in here(most likely because they are not being objective with their hatred for the Lakers) Are simply ignoring that these type of trades is one of the ways that most teams trade. Everyone thought the Grizzlies got totally screwed when they got Mark Gasol and Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol - but look how that turned out. I don't like to give some one like Hurricane credit but last year - He clearly stated that the trade for Paul George turned out pretty good - and got barbecued by you all. It's highly unlikely that Popovich will ever get his money's worth out of Leonard any more than the Lakers did when they traded Shaq Oneal. The Clippers didn't anything of value for Blake Griffin.

The players with potential is the best most teams hope for.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

What exactly does Pop have to hate about the Lakers? If there is some kinda issue I'm not aware. But I just don't see S.A. trading Kawhi to any WC team. It's not just a Lakers thing. The only way I can see him in the WC if traded is if a team offers some super-deal that can't be turned down. Chances, 5%? But no team has anything like that outside of the Warriors, and they don't need him. Now if he ends up in the EC & walks away from whichever team it is after his contract is up that's up to him obviously. He very well could be a Laker in the future. But I think there's a better chance of that in 2 years not this year.

Same conference - beating them in the WCF numerous times - Good ole fashioned rivalry - doesn't want to see the Lakers get lucky this summer. Nothing to like about Leonard going to the Lakers when the Lakers can sign sign LeBron and Paul George or two other star players while they remain in a rebuild mode.

 

[Wamu]

Same conference - beating them in the WCF numerous times - Good ole fashioned rivalry - doesn't want to see the Lakers get lucky this summer. Nothing to like about Leonard going to the Lakers when the Lakers can sign sign LeBron and Paul George or two other star players while they remain in a rebuild mode.

Even LeBron & PG won't be enough to get outta the WC. But I understand the optimism you have about your team. With all that money they got they'll have a revamped roster before next season tips off.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

The main argument with you is that you're acting like Ingram for Kawhi is a straight up trade and that it's good value for the Spurs. Most on here would refute that statement and say that you're at the very least borderline crazy.

That's because that might be the best the Spurs can do - that's the way it happens - although per Lakersnation - the Spurs have been quoted that they are NOT INTERESTED IN LONZO BALL because of the circus he brings with him, but are enamored with the prospect of Ingram and Kuzma and I think it was a draft pick.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Even LeBron & PG won't be enough to get outta the WC. But I understand the optimism you have about your team. With all that money they got they'll have a revamped roster before next season tips off.

You don't know that - 82 games to play + 8 games in the playoffs before the Lakers would reach the Warriors. They can be beat - Houston came close. Nothing is written in Ink or stone yet

 

[Wamu]

You don't know that - 82 games to play + 8 games in the playoffs before the Lakers would reach the Warriors. They can be beat - Houston came close. Nothing is written in Ink or stone yet

And you don't know either. That's the funny thing. All of this is meaningless until after the Lakers get whoever it ends up being. It's impossible to guess what could happen when we both know the roster will be changing.

 

[tlance]

I understand that - but what all you are IGNORING is that these kind of trades HAPPEN EVERY YEAR. NO TEAM ever gets the full value of a star player being traded away and the best that the Spurs can HOPE FOR - is some potential draft picks or young players where their future is still a MYSTERY. It amazes me as to how many in here(most likely because they are not being objective with their hatred for the Lakers) Are simply ignoring that these type of trades is one of the ways that most teams trade. Everyone thought the Grizzlies got totally screwed when they got Mark Gasol and Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol - but look how that turned out. I don't like to give some one like Hurricane credit but last year - He clearly stated that the trade for Paul George turned out pretty good - and got barbecued by you all. It's highly unlikely that Popovich will ever get his money's worth out of Leonard any more than the Lakers did when they traded Shaq Oneal. The Clippers didn't anything of value for Blake Griffin.

The players with potential is the best most teams hope for.

Nobody is ignoring that.

What you are ignoring is that Ingram + Ball + 2 picks isn't full value for Kawhi. Kawhi is that good.

Now, it is possible that Ingram could end up breaking out next year and develop into an allstar. Kawhi may never get back close to the level he was in 2017. We don't know the future.

What we do know (at least those of us who are being objective) is how those players are valued today based on their past accomplishments, their age and their predicted career trajectory. Kawhi Leonard is a superstar.

Lastly, while you have brought up the Gasol trade, sometimes prospect deals do work out. But, Pau Gasol was not even close to Kawhi's level. Prior to being traded to the Lakers, Pau had been selected to 1 allstar team and had 0 all NBA selections. His value at the time was more comparable to a Gordon Hayward type player. Even then, most around the league thought the Grizzlies were robbed because Marc Gasol was not expected to develop into much of anything. He sure did though.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

And you don't know either. That's the funny thing. All of this is meaningless until after the Lakers get whoever it ends up being. It's impossible to guess what could happen when we both know the roster will be changing.

Well If you acknowledge the fact that neither one knows - you need to stop saying it won't be enough - I actually agree, however that it is most likely isn't enough and that's the reason I would be inclined to wait one more year on trades. If the Lakers can sign younger free agents who are not wanting a TEAM READY TO GO THE FINALS RIGHT NOW, I think that would be the best approach because sooner or Later the Warriors will lose some key players and be vulnerable. Build your team and be patient - And that is what Kobe Bryant told Pelinka last month - One of the brightest minds in basketball agrees that the Lakers should be patient. How about that?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Nobody is ignoring that.

What you are ignoring is that Ingram + Ball + 2 picks isn't full value for Kawhi. Kawhi is that good.

Now, it is possible that Ingram could end up breaking out next year and develop into an allstar. Kawhi may never get back close to the level he was in 2017. We don't know the future.

What we do know (at least those of us who are being objective) is how those players are valued today based on their past accomplishments, their age and their predicted career trajectory. Kawhi Leonard is a superstar.

Lastly, while you have brought up the Gasol trade, sometimes prospect deals do work out. But, Pau Gasol was not even close to Kawhi's level. Prior to being traded to the Lakers, Pau had been selected to 1 allstar team and had 0 all NBA selections. His value at the time was more comparable to a Gordon Hayward type player. Even then, most around the league thought the Grizzlies were robbed because Marc Gasol was not expected to develop into much of anything. He sure did though.

BULLSHIT

I UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT FULL VALUE

What I do understand - is that is most likely the best offer that the Spurs can get. They can't get full value - getting full value does not happen that often. Just not going to happen for the Spurs

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Nobody is ignoring that.

What you are ignoring is that Ingram + Ball + 2 picks isn't full value for Kawhi. Kawhi is that good.

Now, it is possible that Ingram could end up breaking out next year and develop into an allstar. Kawhi may never get back close to the level he was in 2017. We don't know the future.

What we do know (at least those of us who are being objective) is how those players are valued today based on their past accomplishments, their age and their predicted career trajectory. Kawhi Leonard is a superstar.

Lastly, while you have brought up the Gasol trade, sometimes prospect deals do work out. But, Pau Gasol was not even close to Kawhi's level. Prior to being traded to the Lakers, Pau had been selected to 1 allstar team and had 0 all NBA selections. His value at the time was more comparable to a Gordon Hayward type player. Even then, most around the league thought the Grizzlies were robbed because Marc Gasol was not expected to develop into much of anything. He sure did though.

Just a reminder:

Gasol got two championships

How many does Leonard Have?

Gasol was more of finesse player and Leonard is more of a defensive player - but you missed the point entirely. No one was comparing Leonard to Gasol. The comparison was HOW MOST TRADES WORK. That trade worked out for both teams which I admit was a complete surprise - Nevertheless - you need to quit acting as if trades like that never happen

 

[Heatles84]

That's because that might be the best the Spurs can do - that's the way it happens - although per Lakersnation - the Spurs have been quoted that they are NOT INTERESTED IN LONZO BALL because of the circus he brings with him, but are enamored with the prospect of Ingram and Kuzma and I think it was a draft pick.

The Spurs could do better than and 1-for-1 trade of Ingram and Kawhi. And again, the CBA dictates that salaries have to match up. So even in your far fetched scenario, it would never happen because Kawhi makes substantially more than Ingram does.

 

[Wamu]

Well If you acknowledge the fact that neither one knows - you need to stop saying it won't be enough - I actually agree, however that it is most likely isn't enough and that's the reason I would be inclined to wait one more year on trades. If the Lakers can sign younger free agents who are not wanting a TEAM READY TO GO THE FINALS RIGHT NOW, I think that would be the best approach because sooner or Later the Warriors will lose some key players and be vulnerable. Build your team and be patient - And that is what Kobe Bryant told Pelinka last month - One of the brightest minds in basketball agrees that the Lakers should be patient. How about that?

Okay my bad, you're right. LeBron & PG would be enough to get by the Warriors & Rockets. Is that better?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Okay my bad, you're right. LeBron & PG would be enough to get by the Warriors & Rockets. Is that better?

Don't know that either - I'm just saying that anything can happen and in spite of what it appears - the games still have to be played. Everyone thought the Lakers were guaranteed a championship with Gary Payton and Karl Malone - and they got their asses kicked