Would You Trade Ingram & Kuzma For Leonard?

[Kold]

I guess. We'll see but unless a team comes in with an absolutely ridiculous offer, I just don't see the Spurs trading him away. It would be almost impossible for them to get his value back.

Now if Kawhi pulls a Kyrie and requests a trade, that's a different story.

If Kawhi doesn't take that extension this summer, they have to trade, and take whatever they can get

 

[flyerhawk]

That is what I am saying.

I am putting the odds at 90% that Kawhi requests a trade.

Well ok I guess. I don't see it but maybe.

 

[LogicMan]

this thread wont die................................

 

[Mecca]

That article is schizophrenic. The Lakers are going to "go in hard" for Kawhi but they won't give up any assets and will just wait until he becomes a FA? WTF?

lol.....ya i kinda got that too

"We are going to go hard after him!"

"We wont trade Kuzma or Ingram since we think we have a shot of signing him!"

uhhh...that is some contradictory bullshit.

Anyway, there are quite a few teams other than the Lakers that could make a better offer.

Boston, Philly, Cleveland--- shit Minnesota could offer a package around Wiggins in a second....maybe even teams like Milwaukee, Washington (I mean- if they offered Beale and a draft pick that would be better than anything LA could offer), -- maybe even the Nuggets or Suns too.

It's Paul George all over again.

 

[flyerhawk]

It's Paul George all over again.

Exactly.

And I said the same thing to Lakers fans 2 years ago about George. Never assume a player is actually going to come to you. Maybe Paul George will still go to LA this summer. Maybe not. But just because he was saying he wanted to go there doesn't mean he will make sacrifices to do so.

 

[Black Adam]

It's Paul George all over again.

EGADS, not a Loki av. the Mrs has enough of his crap to take over this part of the world...!

 

[Mecca]

Exactly.

And I said the same thing to Lakers fans 2 years ago about George. Never assume a player is actually going to come to you. Maybe Paul George will still go to LA this summer. Maybe not. But just because he was saying he wanted to go there doesn't mean he will make sacrifices to do so.

Agree.

Because of the Helter Skelter nature of that OKC Team, they could still land George.

But, it's nowhere near a certainty, even if he leaves the Thunder.

But, that article was one big oxymoron...

Going hard by not trading anyone of note?



Just say we are targeting him in free agency.

 

[Mecca]

EGADS, not a Loki av. the Mrs has enough of his crap to take over this part of the world...!

He's my 2nd favorite Marvel Avengers Universe Character behind Tony.

I have a bad feeling.....

 

[trojanfan12]

That article is schizophrenic. The Lakers are going to "go in hard" for Kawhi but they won't give up any assets and will just wait until he becomes a FA? WTF?

Yeah, he worded things pretty poorly.

I think that what he was trying to say was that, if the Lakers are going hard after Kawhi this summer, it's going to cost them. It'll cost them, at a minimum, some combination of 2 of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and Hart and maybe 3 of them. And 3 of them may not be enough. The Spurs will likely want a 1st round pick as well.

However, if the Lakers don't want to part with any of those players, then they can wait and try to sign him when he becomes an FA.

If they have assurances that his injury isn't going to be an ongoing issue and they have a real chance to get him, they need to give whatever it takes. He's a top 5 player in the league and would be easy to build around.

I'd try to hang onto Ball if possible, because of him being an elite level passer and, for a guard, rebounder. But if the Spurs want him...

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Yeah, he worded things pretty poorly.

I think that what he was trying to say was that, if the Lakers are going hard after Kawhi this summer, it's going to cost them. It'll cost them, at a minimum, some combination of 2 of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and Hart and maybe 3 of them. And 3 of them may not be enough. The Spurs will likely want a 1st round pick as well.

However, if the Lakers don't want to part with any of those players, then they can wait and try to sign him when he becomes an FA.

If they have assurances that his injury isn't going to be an ongoing issue and they have a real chance to get him, they need to give whatever it takes. He's a top 5 player in the league and would be easy to build around.

I'd try to hang onto Ball if possible, because of him being an elite level passer and, for a guard, rebounder. But if the Spurs want him...

I really think they would be better off waiting and see who comes to them - this isn't the Jim Buss empire any more - Pelinka and Magic Johnson have some credibility and some assets - If the Lakers is able to sign one really good player long time - they won't have to give up assets and they will make the playoffs - Leonard only played 9 games - so that's going to hurt his value some. Let Boston trade for him - I'd like to see these young guys on the Lakers team develop

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah, he worded things pretty poorly.

I think that what he was trying to say was that, if the Lakers are going hard after Kawhi this summer, it's going to cost them. It'll cost them, at a minimum, some combination of 2 of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and Hart and maybe 3 of them. And 3 of them may not be enough. The Spurs will likely want a 1st round pick as well.

However, if the Lakers don't want to part with any of those players, then they can wait and try to sign him when he becomes an FA.

If they have assurances that his injury isn't going to be an ongoing issue and they have a real chance to get him, they need to give whatever it takes. He's a top 5 player in the league and would be easy to build around.

I'd try to hang onto Ball if possible, because of him being an elite level passer and, for a guard, rebounder. But if the Spurs want him...

Ultimately we don't know what the Spurs could get for Kawhi but I would imagine it is an awful lot. So much so that I'm not sure that the team would wind up being happy getting him.

But ultimately I think for the Lakers, there is a pretty compelling argument that you could give up almost anyone and it would be worth getting him.

I think Ball is going to be a really good player in the NBA. But he is a supporting type player. You need a superstar to feed the ball to. If the Lakers could get Kawhi for Ingram, Kuzma, a future pick and Hart then you do it without hesitation.

But ultimately I don't think the Spurs are going to trade him.

 

[trojanfan12]

I really think they would be better off waiting and see who comes to them - this isn't the Jim Buss empire any more - Pelinka and Magic Johnson have some credibility and some assets - If the Lakers is able to sign one really good player long time - they won't have to give up assets and they will make the playoffs - Leonard only played 9 games - so that's going to hurt his value some. Let Boston trade for him - I'd like to see these young guys on the Lakers team develop

And what happens if the kids don't develop into a contender? Kawhi is an established, proven top 5 player, who is only 26 years old. That's much more attractive to other FA's than 19 and 20 year olds who may be really good in 2-3 years.

The chances of the Lakers not regretting making that trade are much better than the chances that they will regret it. Unless something really bad happens, even if the kids develop into star level players, the worst you're looking at is breaking even on a trade like that.

I love the Lakers young guys and it certainly wouldn't break my heart to do nothing and see what they develop into. Watching them develop has been a lot fun. But when you have the opportunity to grab a cornerstone player who is barely into his prime. You do it. Especially when you can combine it with the cap space the Lakers are set to have.

Having said that, I agree with @flyerhawk in thinking that the Spurs will get this worked out with Kawhi and he will remain in SA.

 

[DJ]

Ultimately we don't know what the Spurs could get for Kawhi but I would imagine it is an awful lot. So much so that I'm not sure that the team would wind up being happy getting him.

But ultimately I think for the Lakers, there is a pretty compelling argument that you could give up almost anyone and it would be worth getting him.

I think Ball is going to be a really good player in the NBA. But he is a supporting type player. You need a superstar to feed the ball to. If the Lakers could get Kawhi for Ingram, Kuzma, a future pick and Hart then you do it without hesitation.

But ultimately I don't think the Spurs are going to trade him.

I was with you until you mentioned Hart.

Fuck that, no deal.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

And what happens if the kids don't develop into a contender? Kawhi is an established, proven top 5 player, who is only 26 years old. That's much more attractive to other FA's than 19 and 20 year olds who may be really good in 2-3 years.

The chances of the Lakers not regretting making that trade are much better than the chances that they will regret it. Unless something really bad happens, even if the kids develop into star level players, the worst you're looking at is breaking even on a trade like that.

I love the Lakers young guys and it certainly wouldn't break my heart to do nothing and see what they develop into. Watching them develop has been a lot fun. But when you have the opportunity to grab a cornerstone player who is barely into his prime. You do it. Especially when you can combine it with the cap space the Lakers are set to have.

Having said that, I agree with @flyerhawk in thinking that the Spurs will get this worked out with Kawhi and he will remain in SA.

My line of thought is to first see who you could sign in free agency. Don't pull the trigger to quick. Then if you want a trade - then pull the trigger.

There is one thing about this - Paul George, Leonard, Julius Randle, Kyle Kuzma, Lebron James, are all forwards - Somewhere in there, we a really good shooting guard - unless some one is planning to convert a forward to a guard

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

This is exactly what I'm saying. Kuzma AND Ingram? GTFOH

 

[True Lakers Fan]

this thread wont die................................

I seem to have sparked an interesting debate - But the Spurs are almost always worth a good discussion - I don't think they have ever been in the position with a player like Leonard refusing to play or being injured and at odds with the front office

 

[True Lakers Fan]

This is exactly what I'm saying. Kuzma AND Ingram? GTFOH

The only thing about that is that the Lakers really need Lonzo if he is going to get better - We then would have

Ingram
Kuzma
Randle? if they resign

Then You're adding

Leonard
and wanting to sign
Lebron
Georg

Those are all forwards - The Lakers need a couple of guards as well

Either way - I don't think the Lakers necessarily need to sign anyone to be a playoff team next year. One more year the core of players will really be good - but If we could sign Cousins - then we would have a fantastic Center, and could added one forward if we don't sign Randle, choices, choices

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I was with you until you mentioned Hart.

Fuck that, no deal.

They were saying on ESPN today that the Spurs would most likely want Ingram, Kuzma, Hart and the 27th pick the Lakers have this year from a previous trade - I think that's too much. We're giving up to much of our future

 

[True Lakers Fan]

If Kawhi doesn't take that extension this summer, they have to trade, and take whatever they can get

I think there is a greater chance that the Spurs has a long discussion with Leonard and works it out.

 

[tlance]

They were saying on ESPN today that the Spurs would most likely want Ingram, Kuzma, Hart and the 27th pick the Lakers have this year from a previous trade - I think that's too much. We're giving up to much of our future

Kawhi is 26.

The players you listed aren't as good as you think. Kawhi is a lot better than Paul George. Plus, if you get Kawhi, my bet is you get LeBron and keep Randle too.

This trade makes the Lakers instant contenders and puts them at the top of the list as greatest threats to the Warriors.

If you keep building slowly with the pieces you have and sign a Paul George, the most likely case is incremental improvement that tops out at about 50 wins.

You trade for Kawhi and you give yourself a legit shot at landing 2 superstars this summer. Don't think you get LeBron unless you get Kawhi too.