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[skinsdad62]

now we are less then 3 months since the ASS trade and where do we stand on the core values thing ?

This is the key to the hole divide , the ABC core values were KC couldn’t win the big game , couldn’t carry a team and anyone could do what he could have done . Fair enough as we all knew he wouldn’t resign . My issue is now we seem to be proclaiming that 8 wins is good enough and competitive and true fans should accept it . What happened to “ smith is a better qb “ ?

Smith the qb isn’t my beef , Smith the trade is . We lost the best young slot cb in the game last year and we have this huge gaping hole in the 3rd round that when you do a mock it bites you in the ass and we hope a 4th rounder can be a year one answer

Now justification for this was FM , Dunbar and Hosley could step in and do the job and we could draft another d/lineman . But in less then a few weeks guess what the leader of the ABC ers suggests drafting James , trading up for barkley , now its a minkah fetish . I mean damn if the above players are being used to justfy a crappy trade then why are we advocating a policy of redrafting at a position you suggested I was stupid for saying we created a new hole for ? Is there a core value here anywhere or are you all just front running flavor if the day fans ?

This is the essence of the dispute here . No core values on how to build a consistent winner , take the shortcut all the time , no patience to let plans work or players develop, no stability at qb and the FO . Just fantasy football mindset and acceptance of mediocrity as being competive and fans being told to take the burgundy and gold penis up the shaft and hope Allen talks dirty to you because you are a hater to even dream of better

I don’t know what some of your standards are but avg is avg and 3rd place in the nfc east isnt competitive : it’s just another season over by dec. and the draft talk begins

How about the ABC crowd actually come up with a decent plan to give us a consistent winner instead if the SOS )?

 

[RobBase]

Ya I can't sleep either.

 

[skinsdad62]

Ya I can't sleep either.

I am at work , night shift

 

[RobBase]

I am at work , night shift

Who do you want in the draft?

 

[skinsdad62]

D/line, vea or Payne : minka is ok as is James but i was pointing out the BS

 

[deanpet21]

now we are less then 3 months since the ASS trade and where do we stand on the core values thing ?

This is the key to the hole divide , the ABC core values were KC couldn’t win the big game , couldn’t carry a team and anyone could do what he could have done . Fair enough as we all knew he wouldn’t resign . My issue is now we seem to be proclaiming that 8 wins is good enough and competitive and true fans should accept it . What happened to “ smith is a better qb “ ?

Smith the qb isn’t my beef , Smith the trade is . We lost the best young slot cb in the game last year and we have this huge gaping hole in the 3rd round that when you do a mock it bites you in the ass and we hope a 4th rounder can be a year one answer

Now justification for this was FM , Dunbar and Hosley could step in and do the job and we could draft another d/lineman . But in less then a few weeks guess what the leader of the ABC ers suggests drafting James , trading up for barkley , now its a minkah fetish . I mean damn if the above players are being used to justfy a crappy trade then why are we advocating a policy of redrafting at a position you suggested I was stupid for saying we created a new hole for ? Is there a core value here anywhere or are you all just front running flavor if the day fans ?

This is the essence of the dispute here . No core values on how to build a consistent winner , take the shortcut all the time , no patience to let plans work or players develop, no stability at qb and the FO . Just fantasy football mindset and acceptance of mediocrity as being competive and fans being told to take the burgundy and gold penis up the shaft and hope Allen talks dirty to you because you are a hater to even dream of better

I don’t know what some of your standards are but avg is avg and 3rd place in the nfc east isnt competitive : it’s just another season over by dec. and the draft talk begins

How about the ABC crowd actually come up with a decent plan to give us a consistent winner instead if the SOS )?

This post was so stupid. To get AS we had to do the trade so if you are happy with Smith then its costs us the player and the pick. The trade was needed to get AS. You cant have it both ways. You still don't understand this. lol Fitz is a safety that we desperately need. Calling Fuller the best slot Cb in the game is a bit far fetched to me. Getting Fitz at #13 would be an absolute steal. Im not doubting we need a NT but you are a BPA guy. Where did that logic go? How is Vea a better player than Fitz?

To write off Dunbar and FM to contribute is pure nonsense. b/c of the drafting of FM, Fuller became expendable. It was the player needed to get AS. Like I said before we don't get AS if Fuller isn't in the deal. So yea, AS is worth more than Fuller. He is a QB. As far as the 3rd round pick goes yea it could of been a good player but it also could be a bust. So to land AS that was what was needed to get it done. We now have a veteran winning QB on our team . No one should be mad about this.

If we can get Fitz in round 1, Price in round 2 and still sign Hankins. It would be a huge offseason in my book. Plus the additions of McPhee and Richardson. Plus we retained Brown who was one of our best players on D. IF this happens skinsdad and you still are complaining. I don't know what to tell you

 

[skinsdad62]

This post was so stupid. To get AS we had to do the trade so if you are happy with Smith then its costs us the player and the pick. The trade was needed to get AS. You cant have it both ways. You still don't understand this. lol Fitz is a safety that we desperately need. Calling Fuller the best slot Cb in the game is a bit far fetched to me. Getting Fitz at #13 would be an absolute steal. Im not doubting we need a NT but you are a BPA guy. Where did that logic go? How is Vea a better player than Fitz?

To write off Dunbar and FM to contribute is pure nonsense. b/c of the drafting of FM, Fuller became expendable. It was the player needed to get AS. Like I said before we don't get AS if Fuller isn't in the deal. So yea, AS is worth more than Fuller. He is a QB. As far as the 3rd round pick goes yea it could of been a good player but it also could be a bust. So to land AS that was what was needed to get it done. We now have a veteran winning QB on our team . No one should be mad about this.

If we can get Fitz in round 1, Price in round 2 and still sign Hankins. It would be a huge offseason in my book. Plus the additions of McPhee and Richardson. Plus we retained Brown who was one of our best players on D. IF this happens skinsdad and you still are complaining. I don't know what to tell you

we didnt need to trade for smith , there were other options and certainly ones that could get us 3rd place in the NFC east

but your justifications when arguing it was a good and needed trade are proven empty when you advocate refilling a hole you originally said we didnt have because the answers were already here in FM dunbar and hosley , yet you advocate drafting another DB at a position that was " solved " according to your own words

 

[Stymietee]

now we are less then 3 months since the ASS trade and where do we stand on the core values thing ?

This is the key to the hole divide , the ABC core values were KC couldn’t win the big game , couldn’t carry a team and anyone could do what he could have done . Fair enough as we all knew he wouldn’t resign . My issue is now we seem to be proclaiming that 8 wins is good enough and competitive and true fans should accept it . What happened to “ smith is a better qb “ ?

Smith the qb isn’t my beef , Smith the trade is . We lost the best young slot cb in the game last year and we have this huge gaping hole in the 3rd round that when you do a mock it bites you in the ass and we hope a 4th rounder can be a year one answer

Now justification for this was FM , Dunbar and Hosley could step in and do the job and we could draft another d/lineman . But in less then a few weeks guess what the leader of the ABC ers suggests drafting James , trading up for barkley , now its a minkah fetish . I mean damn if the above players are being used to justfy a crappy trade then why are we advocating a policy of redrafting at a position you suggested I was stupid for saying we created a new hole for ? Is there a core value here anywhere or are you all just front running flavor if the day fans ?

This is the essence of the dispute here . No core values on how to build a consistent winner , take the shortcut all the time , no patience to let plans work or players develop, no stability at qb and the FO . Just fantasy football mindset and acceptance of mediocrity as being competive and fans being told to take the burgundy and gold penis up the shaft and hope Allen talks dirty to you because you are a hater to even dream of better

I don’t know what some of your standards are but avg is avg and 3rd place in the nfc east isnt competitive : it’s just another season over by dec. and the draft talk begins

How about the ABC crowd actually come up with a decent plan to give us a consistent winner instead if the SOS )?

now we are less then 3 months since the ASS trade and where do we stand on the core values thing ?

I'll speak to "core values" as we go along.

This is the key to the hole divide , the ABC core values were KC couldn’t win the big game , couldn’t carry a team and anyone could do what he could have done . Fair enough as we all knew he wouldn’t resign . My issue is now we seem to be proclaiming that 8 wins is good enough and competitive and true fans should accept it . What happened to “ smith is a better qb “ ?

Whether Alex Smith is a better, comparable or worse QB here than, Kirk Cousins remains to be seen, that said let's get to the heart of this complaint. Outside of the Gibbs years, one would be hard pressed to find a run of consistent winning seasons. It's Washington where in their 81 years here lofty expectations very rarely ever meet with reality. The standard is either mediocrity or worse, so in a 16 game season, 8 meets the standard. If, there are some fanatics who choose to subject themselves to an annual letdown, so be it, it doesn't matter who the QB happens to be, it's a team game and this team, as stated, is historically mediocre at its best. (save for the Gibbs years)

Smith the qb isn’t my beef , Smith the trade is . We lost the best young slot cb in the game last year and we have this huge gaping hole in the 3rd round that when you do a mock it bites you in the ass and we hope a 4th rounder can be a year one answer

I agree, that trade was not well considered in terms of loss value. Needing a QB who offered both stability and comparable skills to the one loss, minimized the alternatives to just a few who could fill that need. We certainly could have picked up a free agent QB and possibly drafted for the future, but selecting at 13 would cost more to move up for that guy than was paid to acquire Smith. Ultimately, when the choices come down to replacing a starting caliber QB or one of, if not, the "best young slot corners" in the game, you MUST go with the QB. I thought that there was another alternative, so did some folks on this board, but alas, we didn't get to make that call.

Now justification for this was FM , Dunbar and Hosley could step in and do the job and we could draft another d/lineman . But in less then a few weeks guess what the leader of the ABC ers suggests drafting James , trading up for barkley , now its a minkah fetish . I mean damn if the above players are being used to justfy a crappy trade then why are we advocating a policy of redrafting at a position you suggested I was stupid for saying we created a new hole for ? Is there a core value here anywhere or are you all just front running flavor if the day fans ?

No comment beyond noting that, this is the time of year where minds change when there's a pending draft and free agency. Benefit of doubt, maybe he's not settled on what he prefers or just throwing thing out in order to get feedback.

This is the essence of the dispute here . No core values on how to build a consistent winner , take the shortcut all the time , no patience to let plans work or players develop, no stability at qb and the FO . Just fantasy football mindset and acceptance of mediocrity as being competive and fans being told to take the burgundy and gold penis up the shaft and hope Allen talks dirty to you because you are a hater to even dream of better

Now about those "core values"...Where exactly would they come from? who sets them? I believe that we all know the answers to these questions are the sources of our discomfort., but let me take it a bit further. Let's look at the board members/posters here and ask...if put in charge of this franchise which would likely be the result, Chaos or unanimity? We're Washington fans/supporters/followers and dammit if there's one thing that has united us during the Snyder years, it's dysfunction. This franchise is not in dire straits simply because we replaced one pretty good QB with another pretty good QB. We are where we have always been under Mr. Snyder hopeful, determined, and resigned, to forever being, mediocre.

I don’t know what some of your standards are but avg is avg and 3rd place in the nfc east isnt competitive : it’s just another season over by dec. and the draft talk begins

Atta boy!!!, Now you've got it....we're "winning off the field!" (did ya really think something had changed?)


How about the ABC crowd actually come up with a decent plan to give us a consistent winner instead if the SOS )?

Can't wait to see what they come up with!!

 

[deanpet21]

we didnt need to trade for smith , there were other options and certainly ones that could get us 3rd place in the NFC east

but your justifications when arguing it was a good and needed trade are proven empty when you advocate refilling a hole you originally said we didnt have because the answers were already here in FM dunbar and hosley , yet you advocate drafting another DB at a position that was " solved " according to your own words

The safety position is not solved. That is why I want Fitz. If FM fails then Fitz could play slot.

 

[Sharkinva]

The safety position is not solved. That is why I want Fitz. If FM fails then Fitz could play slot.

Safety is still an issue because the GM failed to manage the guy we drafted to fix the position. He then threw one of his famous temper tantrums and proceeded to drive said player as far away from the organization as he could.

Just figured some one should point that out.

 

[skinsdad62]

The safety position is not solved. That is why I want Fitz. If FM fails then Fitz could play slot.

Then why argue that it was ?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Skinsdad,

Hang in there - the only thing that matters is what occurs next season & beyond - not what any of us think. We don't control the team nor any of the moves they make (don't want to hear any of that nonsense @ how fan opinions will push things since Snyder/Allen have proven to not really give a shit @ fans).

For starters - let's just wait & see who they actually draft. Beyond that - why worry @ other fans' opinions? If you are simply stating that to fuel a debate then great - NP. However - if it really bothers you then I would just say don't worry what others think & again the opinions here don't represent the opinions of most fans IMO.

HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The safety position is not solved. That is why I want Fitz. If FM fails then Fitz could play slot.

Good - YOU want them to do that. Fortunately YOU don't run the team.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

You freaking people don't understand anything No position is truly solved you make upgrades when you can through the draft of FA. Put every motha fucks player on a leash that's how winning is done .

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Kirk was not coming back so the true debate is Alex smith vs Rookie vs keenum and other fa qbs

 

[Skins2021]

Kirk was not coming back so the true debate is Alex smith vs Rookie vs keenum and other fa qbs

cool

I take Keenum, 3rd round pick, and Fuller

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

cool

I take Keenum, 3rd round pick, and Fuller

i would to.. FO jumped the gun at the time of the trade who knew keenum would be a FA but keenum keeping the 3rd and keeping fuller would have been better no doubt . im fine with Alex as long as the FO has a plan for another qb in 2 years i think bruce is being moved after the draft and sheffer takes over bruce spot

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

but i can understand them getting Alex
1, leadership
2. void biding wars on other qbs in FA
3. can scramble when play breaks down
4,one of the most mentally tough qbs in the league
5. kirk was not coming back no garantee that they could get a good qb in FA or the draft play it safe get Alex

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Safety is still an issue because the GM failed to manage the guy we drafted to fix the position. He then threw one of his famous temper tantrums and proceeded to drive said player as far away from the organization as he could.

Just figured some one should point that out.

i dont think the WR posititon is Solved if there is such a thing ridely would make since at 13 also so would guice dj moore vea payne davenport( got to have a good pass rush) but selecting Frizts 13th here is my beef if you select fritz either sweanger or nicholson takes a back seat nichloson shows alot a promise imo

 

[deanpet21]

Then why argue that it was ?

never did.