Russell Wilson or Cam Newton

[Nosferatu]

Doesn't Cam have a bit of a bum knee right now?

 

[SteelersPride]

Doesn't Cam have a bit of a bum knee right now?

yes

 

[Stomp]

7th round pick + Cam is worth considerably more than Russel Wilson + a 12th. That 7th round pick is a good flex/bench RB/WR or a high end TE.

Do you have to keep a QB? What are your other options?

 

[SteelersPride]

7th round pick + Cam is worth considerably more than Russel Wilson + a 12th. That 7th round pick is a good flex/bench RB/WR or a high end TE.

Do you have to keep a QB? What are your other options?

and how many can u keep

 

[tlance]

5 rounds?

If it were 4th vs. 9th, you would have a point.

But the reality is that you probably aren't getting a difference maker in the 7th anyway.

I am all for round value.

But, would you rather have Cam Newton and Cooper Kupp, or Russell Wilson and Dede Westbrook.

That is the difference we are talking about here. Yes, your 7th round pick is a lot more likely to be a contributor than your 12th. But the gap between Wilson and Cam is greater than the gap between the players you would have taken in those respective rounds.

 

[SteelersPride]

If it were 4th vs. 9th, you would have a point.

But the reality is that you probably aren't getting a difference maker in the 7th anyway.

I am all for round value.

But, would you rather have Cam Newton and Cooper Kupp, or Russell Wilson and Dede Westbrook.

That is the difference we are talking about here. Yes, your 7th round pick is a lot more likely to be a contributor than your 12th. But the gap between Wilson and Cam is greater than the gap between the players you would have taken in those respective rounds.

I suppose I dunno I’m torn

 

[brandonk989]

7th round pick + Cam is worth considerably more than Russel Wilson + a 12th. That 7th round pick is a good flex/bench RB/WR or a high end TE.

Do you have to keep a QB? What are your other options?

Appreciate all the opinions so far guys. Interesting how we do this keeper league. We can only keep 1 guy, but don't have to keep anyone. The catch is your keeper must have been drafted Round 5 or later and they must have stayed on your roster all year. That being said, here are my other options:

6th round: Greg Olsen
13th round: Justin Tucker


Maybe I don't keep anyone and draft from scratch? I've won this league 2 of the last 3 years and I've always kept somebody. But trying something new couldn't hurt.

 

[SteelersPride]

Appreciate all the opinions so far guys. Interesting how we do this keeper league. We can only keep 1 guy, but don't have to keep anyone. The catch is your keeper must have been drafted Round 5 or later and they must have stayed on your roster all year. That being said, here are my other options:

6th round: Greg Olsen
13th round: Justin Tucker


Maybe I don't keep anyone and draft from scratch? I've won this league 2 of the last 3 years and I've always kept somebody. But trying something new couldn't hurt.

in that scenario wilson hands down

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Sorry, late to the party.

Both finished top 2 at the position in standard formats. You gotta go with Newton given the keeper value difference. Just gotta!

I think Wilson will still finish top 5 at the position, but I'm not sold on his output remaining as consistent with that defense no longer intact. There will be a lot more pressure on the Hawks offense this year.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Agree, cam in 12th has more value.

If you really want Wilson, go for it. No fault in that, and 7th is good value for him

just reviewed Cam's latest season.

I change my answer

Keep Wilson in the 7th - he's the better player.

Upon further review of Cam's 2017:
-most rush att of his career at 139, avg 47yds rush/gm
-passed for over 300yd 2 times, passed for under 200yds NINE times
-combined rush/pass TDs: 3gm with 4, 1gm with 3, 3gm with 2, 5gm with 1, 4gm with ZERO

you lost at least 3-4 games last yr solely due to Cam if he was your starter, and at most, he won you 3.
Now with CJA, there goes any added bump in RZ rushing attempts from the JStew departure.

 

[TREFF]

just reviewed Cam's latest season.

I change my answer

Keep Wilson in the 7th - he's the better player.

Upon further review of Cam's 2017:
-most rush att of his career at 139, avg 47yds rush/gm
-passed for over 300yd 2 times, passed for under 200yds NINE times
-combined rush/pass TDs: 3gm with 4, 1gm with 3, 3gm with 2, 5gm with 1, 4gm with ZERO

you lost at least 3-4 games last yr solely due to Cam if he was your starter, and at most, he won you 3.
Now with CJA, there goes any added bump in RZ rushing attempts from the JStew departure.

Definitely agree with your renewed assessment, however, the last line really shouldn't worry the Cam supporters.

I don't know how he did last year, I haven't heard or seen the numbers, but, going into last year he was consistenly among the worst in the league at converting from 3 yards or less. So I don't think Cam will be missing out much. Perhaps it was all the Denver line, perhaps he just isn't that good at finding that hole in a big pile, dunno.

 

[TREFF]

I found the numbers for anyone who cares...
Apparently he improved somewhat
He had 8 carries on 3rd or 4th and less than 3, 7 first down one TD.
However, inside the opponents ten, he had 13 carries for 17 yards and only one score. So there's still cause for concern. When the field shrinks, so does CJ' production.
Thank you, Pro football reference

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I found the numbers for anyone who cares...
Apparently he improved somewhat
He had 8 carries on 3rd or 4th and less than 3, 7 first down one TD.
However, inside the opponents ten, he had 13 carries for 17 yards and only one score. So there's still cause for concern. When the field shrinks, so does CJ' production.
Thank you, Pro football reference

still think they give him a real chance for the short yardage work, but Cam does take matters into his own hands.
Riviera has to get a little nervous every time Cam tucks one and dives into DL/LBs

 

[Danny Ocho]

Russell Wilson's definitely worth keeping in the seventh round. Newton's hard to be trusted nowadays with his inconsistencies on the field. Plus, Wilson's got more options to throw the ball to Marshall and Dickson, which they are now on the team, in case Baldwin's double-teamed on the field.

 

[eaglesnut]

Norms offense fits Cam. He has weapons at all levels. I'm expecting a bounce back.

 

[eaglesnut]

Norms offense fits Cam. He has weapons at all levels. I'm expecting a bounce back.

That was supposed to be Norv's. Norv Turner back in action.