politics thread

[ehb5]

then you know nothing about diplomacy and were silent when obama did it with IRAN

So was it bad when obama did it?

 

[skinsdad62]

The citizenship of people born here speaks to that.

show me , because i am pretty certain a natural born citizen is not defined precisely in the constitution. it is used but not defined

i will wait ebb

 

[skinsdad62]

He just tore up free trade deals, hurt US businesses for a bit, then gave in and went back to essentially the same trade deals he tore up and renamed them. Bravo trump. What an accomplishment.

not true and you know that as well

 

[skinsdad62]

So was it bad when obama did it?

with kerry and obama making the treaty ? the result was . but trying to talk about things no

 

[skinsdad62]

well enough talk of politics tonight . i just dont have the time to waste . you hate trump , i get it , i like trump , you get it , nothing more to add

 

[ehb5]

show me , because i am pretty certain a natural born citizen is not defined precisely in the constitution. it is used but not defined

i will wait ebb

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

 

[ehb5]

well enough talk of politics tonight . i just dont have the time to waste . you hate trump , i get it , i like trump , you get it , nothing more to add

I would be more willing to accept you liked trump if you were consistent.

But instead you choose trump over your country at all cost. I'll call you out on that BS every time.

 

[gkekoa]

So I have to ask...

For those of you who claim the Constitution outweighs all and that the right is constitutionally driven...

Trump Seeks to Curb Birthright Citizenship, Escalating Immigration Debate - The Wall Street Journal.
Trump Seeks to Curb Birthright Citizenship, Escalating Immigration Debate Trump Wants to Curb Birthright Citizenship, Escalating Immigration Debate

Do you still feel that way?

I saw you quote the 14th later, but you seem to overlook AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

 

[gkekoa]

Trump loves to spend, doesnt care about the national debt, appointed an AG who promotes civil asset forfeiture, praises communist dictators, criticizes and attacks free trade, performs big government bailouts of industries harmed by his poor decisions, wastes taxpayer money on fear mongering troop movements, wants to waste MORE taxpayer money for a military parade amongst other things, takes the word of our enemies over that of our own intelligence agencies, constantly attacks our intelligence agencies, the free press, and members of the military, seeks to ban people from our country based on religion, promotes political violence, racism, sexism, and xenophopia, denigrates immigrants, has no respect for the office of the presidency or human decency, and NOW believes himself to be above the Constitution.

And THAT is the man "conservatives" and the Republican party stand behind. Country first my ass.

Oh...I don’t like the spending or the national debt.

I don’t believe in civil asset forfeiture because I do believe that is against the Constitution...if no conviction is done prior. Let me know if anybody from your side has challenged it.

Nope. He has never criticized fair trade or free trade. He has bad mouthed our trade agreements that were neither fair nor free. His bailout wasn’t caused by a poor decision, rather a strategic one.

How is he wasting taxpayer money by sending troops to the border? The troops are already being paid. Now define a group of 3000 people flying foreign colors coming to he US border. It is easy and be honest.

I hate the idea of a huge military parade.

He doesn’t take the word of foreign powers over the intel community as a whole. He takes it over the people attacking him without cause. He attacks the media who continually attacks him. He is overly defensive.

Which members members of the military has he attacked? I can list a few Obama attacked.

Has he pushed to ban a religion, or has he pushed to ban people from countries that support terrorism and happen to be Muslim? Next, define asylum and when people can claim it.

When did he promote political violence? I can show you where Democrats have.

 

[ehb5]

I saw you quote the 14th later, but you seem to overlook AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

I didn't overlook anything actually. Anybody can clearly read what that is saying unless they willfully wish to misinterpret in order to remove the citizenship of a group of people that makes them uncomfortable.

Btw, that little bit means anyone subject to us laws (meaning not an ambassador of a foreign government).

 

[Sharkinva]

IM just going to throw this out there because Andrew Gillum hit the nail on the head when describing Rod DeSantis, but it could have just as easily have been Trump.

I cant say for sure if he is a racist or not, but the Racists think he is one of them, and rarely if ever does he do anything to assure the country he isnt.

If you have ultimate faith in this man, and try to hedge it by saying you dont like what he says, but like his policies. Well what he said has driven 13 murders, and 15 pipe bombs in the last 10 days. His policies are becoming more and more outright racist to appeal to a portion of his base.

Trump didnt start the fire, but he is feeding it on a daily basis at this point.

 

[ehb5]

Oh...I don’t like the spending or the national debt.

I don’t believe in civil asset forfeiture because I do believe that is against the Constitution...if no conviction is done prior. Let me know if anybody from your side has challenged it.

Nope. He has never criticized fair trade or free trade. He has bad mouthed our trade agreements that were neither fair nor free. His bailout wasn’t caused by a poor decision, rather a strategic one.

How is he wasting taxpayer money by sending troops to the border? The troops are already being paid. Now define a group of 3000 people flying foreign colors coming to he US border. It is easy and be honest.

I hate the idea of a huge military parade.

He doesn’t take the word of foreign powers over the intel community as a whole. He takes it over the people attacking him without cause. He attacks the media who continually attacks him. He is overly defensive.

Which members members of the military has he attacked? I can list a few Obama attacked.

Has he pushed to ban a religion, or has he pushed to ban people from countries that support terrorism and happen to be Muslim? Next, define asylum and when people can claim it.

When did he promote political violence? I can show you where Democrats have.

Ironically, of all the things i listed, the debt is probably what i care by far the least about. That said wasteful spending is still wasteful spending of taxpayer money and im strongly against that.

Who is MY side? I don't have a side. YOUR side however is promoting increased civil asset forfeiture. Pretty unconstitutional.

This next line is just false through and through.

You might want to look up how much something like that can cost. Moving thousands of people around isnt free believe it or not.

As for the crowd i call it nothing. It's of no concern. Trump will use it to fear monger before the elections regardless.

Good, agreed.

He has rejected and questioned the ic conclusion on Russia's involvement many times yet praises Putin's denial of that conclusion.

McCain and gold star family come immediately to mind but there are plenty of other examples of his lack of respect for the military. He just uses them as a branding tool.

He claimed he would ban all muslims. Thats pretty self explanatory.

Multiple times at his rallies. Praising somebody for assualting a reporter the other day.



I love the "but democrats" crap. I don't give a shit. Bad shit is bad shit. It's bad no matter who does it. And news flash - trump is at unprecedented levels of a hell of a lot of bad stuff.

 

[gkekoa]

I didn't overlook anything actually. Anybody can clearly read what that is saying unless they willfully wish to misinterpret in order to remove the citizenship of a group of people that makes them uncomfortable.

Btw, that little bit means anyone subject to us laws (meaning not an ambassador of a foreign government).

Defining Citizens: Congress, Citizenship, and the Meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment

Trump's birthright plan vs. the U.S. Constitution: Here's what wins

Just a couple.

 

[gkekoa]

Ironically, of all the things i listed, the debt is probably what i care by far the least about. That said wasteful spending is still wasteful spending of taxpayer money and im strongly against that.

Who is MY side? I don't have a side. YOUR side however is promoting increased civil asset forfeiture. Pretty unconstitutional.

This next line is just false through and through.

You might want to look up how much something like that can cost. Moving thousands of people around isnt free believe it or not.

As for the crowd i call it nothing. It's of no concern. Trump will use it to fear monger before the elections regardless.

Good, agreed.

He has rejected and questioned the ic conclusion on Russia's involvement many times yet praises Putin's denial of that conclusion.

McCain and gold star family come immediately to mind but there are plenty of other examples of his lack of respect for the military. He just uses them as a branding tool.

He claimed he would ban all muslims. Thats pretty self explanatory.

Multiple times at his rallies. Praising somebody for assualting a reporter the other day.



I love the "but democrats" crap. I don't give a shit. Bad shit is bad shit. It's bad no matter who does it. And news flash - trump is at unprecedented levels of a hell of a lot of bad stuff.

Both sides believe in asset forfeiture...and I already stated I believe it is unconstitutional.

It isn’t free but it is already budgeted and will be spent. There are military flights all the time, all over the US. Also, it is by definition national defense when a group of people flying foreign flags are approaching US territory.

I wouldn’t call it fear mongering. I would call it what it is...national defense which is an actual purpose of the federal government. Is it worse than Obama blaming Benghazi on a spontaneous uprising, when in fact, he knew it was terrorism that night, and lying about it for weeks because it was just before his election?

Questioning the results is a good thing, especially when the media was trying to mislead the people on the extent.

McCain was a vet, not a service member. He should have his service questioned because if his daddy wasn’t an admiral, McCain wouldn’t have made it out of flight school. If he did, he would have had his wings stripped at least twice more. As for Gold Star family, what exactly did Trump say that infuriates you?

When did he claim he would ban all Muslims? I need a source because he never said it.

I need a source of him praising an assault.

I agree bad is bad. I have shown I don’t agree with Trump on a lot of things. I disagree with the level of bad you describe. People bring up democrats because they were allowed to skate for eight years under Obama, and people still let them skate today.

 

[skinsdad62]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

14th amendment after the slaves were set free . Does this apply to anchor babies of people residing here illegally ? Some say no . The Supreme Court will decide I am sure

 

[skinsdad62]

I would be more willing to accept you liked trump if you were consistent.

But instead you choose trump over your country at all cost. I'll call you out on that BS every time.

I chose trump over a criminal socialist

 

[skinsdad62]

IM just going to throw this out there because Andrew Gillum hit the nail on the head when describing Rod DeSantis, but it could have just as easily have been Trump.

I cant say for sure if he is a racist or not, but the Racists think he is one of them, and rarely if ever does he do anything to assure the country he isnt.

If you have ultimate faith in this man, and try to hedge it by saying you dont like what he says, but like his policies. Well what he said has driven 13 murders, and 15 pipe bombs in the last 10 days. His policies are becoming more and more outright racist to appeal to a portion of his base.

Trump didnt start the fire, but he is feeding it on a daily basis at this point.

So what ? Racist love Obama . Ask Louis Farrakhan

 

[skinsdad62]

well damn shark you act like racist are some major political force when in fact they are insignificant

 

[Sharkinva]

well damn shark you act like racist are some major political force when in fact they are insignificant

Nah dude, Im a realist. We have open racists running for political office, from the GOP Party. We have racists gunning people down while they are in the middle of praying.. while spouting and tweeting talking points directly from the President. We have people sending bombs to political opponents of the President because they felt they were doing the Presidents biding.

At what point do we admit, this President does not want unity. He wants fealty or capitulation. He doesnt care which, as long as he "WINS".

 

[skinsdad62]

Nah dude, Im a realist. We have open racists running for political office, from the GOP Party. We have racists gunning people down while they are in the middle of praying.. while spouting and tweeting talking points directly from the President. We have people sending bombs to political opponents of the President because they felt they were doing the Presidents biding.

At what point do we admit, this President does not want unity. He wants fealty or capitulation. He doesnt care which, as long as he "WINS".

we have no such thing unless you are talking about followers of louis farrakhan