off season thread 2024, new regime

[skinsdad62]

3 Commanders whose names are guaranteed to be in trade rumors this offseason

Which Washington Commanders players are almost guaranteed to hear their names come up in trade rumors during the 2024 offseason?

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Trading Allen before June 1 comes with $12 million in dead cap and $9.5 million in savings attached. After that date, the dead money is $6 million with $15.5 million saved. Much will also depend on the compensation involved, but his name will come up in trade rumors this offseason.

keep this in mind when trades are talked about . allen could bring us future considerations

 

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Washington Commanders 2023 Season - Studs and Duds

The Commanders 2023 season may go down as one of the most disappointing in the team’s glorious history. Year four under Ron Rivera was supposed to be the year where we finally turned things around....

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This unit was absolutely HORRIBLE all season. Newcomer Andrew Wylie was third in the NFL in opponent sacks allowed (12), and this is with him missing two games to injury. Charles Leno, who missed four-and-a-half games due to injury, allowed seven sacks on the season. The tackle duo combined for a STAGGERING 68 blown block on the year which led all tackle combos. Cornelius Lucas, who took over at left tackle when Leno went to IR, was abysmal - especially in the team’s final game against Dallas, where he allowed an embarrassing FOUR sacks.

Center and left guard was a rotating mess all year, with six different players seeing time at those respective positions. Preseason fan-favorite Chris Paul proved to be a complete disaster at left guard and Saahdiq Charles wasn’t that much better. Rookie Ricky Stromberg played better than the previously mentioned two before he was placed on injured reserve. Nick Gates, another one of Rivera’s genius free agent signings, was a human turnstile at center, and was benched early in the season, only to be brought back out of necessity when Tyler Larsen was injured yet again.

Jahan Dotson: The former first round pick had a sophomore slump to remember. The drops were uncharacteristic for someone touted with “good hands” and the disappearing act he pulled for many games was disappointing. He finished the season with just 49 receptions for 518 receiving yards and four touchdowns over 17 games. he has to pull it together

Cody Barton: I don’t believe there was a more disappointing free agent signing than Cody Barton. To have two former linebackers on this coaching staff, and to come into the season with Cody Barton as your starting MIKE linebacker is an embarrassment and indictment on just how bad Rivera and Del Rio are at evaluating talent.

Emmanuel Forbes: It was a brutal rookie campaign for the “slender” cornerback. He was thrust into a confusing Del Rio defense and was asked to play coverage (match-up man) that was not tailored to his strengths. He was subsequently benched and his confidence took a massive hit because of it. He was brought back in a few weeks later and blown coverages, poor tackling and some nagging injuries ended his rookie season in massive disappointment. For someone hyped to be a turnover machine, he managed just one interception on the season.

Camaron Cheeseman: The guy had just one job; to snap the damn football, and he couldn’t even do that. To make matters even worse, Rivera traded up in the 2021 draft to take this guy!



Commanders Coaching Staff: This was a bottom three coaching staff in the entire NFL. I’ll be shocked if anyone from this group (maybe with the exception of Bieniemy) is hired again in 2024.

• Ron Rivera: Ron constructed this terrible roster and now he leaves with the cupboards really bare. We essentially wasted four years on a “plan” that has probably set us back another three! The only silver lining here is he left us with the second overall pick in the 2024 NFL draft and six picks within the top 102.
• Eric Bieniemy: Watching what Bobby Slowik has done with rookie CJ Stroud just leaves me scratching my head and asking myself - what the heck was Bieniemy thinking! hiis “my way or the highway” attitude imploded in his face, and he’ll be lucky to land another coordinator job in 2024.
• Jack Del Rio: The results of the Commanders 2023 defense is what you get when you have a stubborn dinosaur running a top five defense from the year before, but without key players at certain position and refusing to adapt his scheme to his players.

• Sam Howell: Howell had his ups and downs during the season, but when you throw 21 interceptions, get sacked 65 times and have a QBR of 42, that points to some major problems. When protected, Sam did show some nice traits, including a big arm and nice accuracy. He also has the ability to scramble and make things happen when the play breaks down. Unfortunately, Eric Bieniemy did the young man no favors with his play calling, and a porous O-line couldn't protect him (wonder who saw this coming).

• Jamin Davis: Before landing on IR with a season-ending injury, Davis was playing the best football of his young career. Through 13 games (all starts) at WILL linebacker, he totaled 89 tackles, eight for a loss, three sacks, two forced fumbles, four passes defended and an interception. I actually debated having him on the Studs list.

• Quan Martin: The season started off slowly for the second round pick, but towards the end, things really started to click. He tied for the team lead in interceptions with two, while contributing 46 total tackles, one for a loss and a sack. I saw enough to be excited about his future here.

• Jon Allen: It was a very average season for Allen, who through 16 games recorded 53 total tackles, 10 for a loss and five-and-a-half sacks.

• Daron Payne: Payne signed a massive contract extension in the offseason and had a pretty down year compared to 2022. He totaled 53 tackles, 13 for a loss, four sacks, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

• Khaleke Hudson: Hudson, who didn’t get much playing time early in the season despite fans clamoring for him to play more, came on very nicely over the team’s final eight games. He had 74 total tackles, five for a loss, a sack and two passes defended. He’s a free agent this off-season, so the team will need to make a decision on his future.

• Logan Thomas: It’s time to move on from the Logan Thomas experiment. The aging tight end looked pedestrian in his route running, poor in his blocking, and dropped more passes than I can remember seeing from him during his time in Washington.

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Future Building Blocks (excluding any pending free agents):​

• Terry McLaurin
• Sam Cosmi
• Jahan Dotson (semi-reluctantly)
• Daron Payne
• Jamin Davis
• Quan Martin

*Ricky Stromberg (fingers crossed)
*Emmanuel Forbes (holding out hope)

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Free Agents Who Should be Re-Signed:​

• Kendall Fuller - I’d even consider a move to free safety
• Khaleke Hudson - Even if it’s as a backup; he’s shown me something

Players I would Consider Trading:​

• Jon Allen - Would need at least a 3rd rounder

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[duke1861]

Washington Commanders 2023 Season - Studs and Duds

The Commanders 2023 season may go down as one of the most disappointing in the team’s glorious history. Year four under Ron Rivera was supposed to be the year where we finally turned things around....

www.hogshaven.com

This unit was absolutely HORRIBLE all season. Newcomer Andrew Wylie was third in the NFL in opponent sacks allowed (12), and this is with him missing two games to injury. Charles Leno, who missed four-and-a-half games due to injury, allowed seven sacks on the season. The tackle duo combined for a STAGGERING 68 blown block on the year which led all tackle combos. Cornelius Lucas, who took over at left tackle when Leno went to IR, was abysmal - especially in the team’s final game against Dallas, where he allowed an embarrassing FOUR sacks.

Center and left guard was a rotating mess all year, with six different players seeing time at those respective positions. Preseason fan-favorite Chris Paul proved to be a complete disaster at left guard and Saahdiq Charles wasn’t that much better. Rookie Ricky Stromberg played better than the previously mentioned two before he was placed on injured reserve. Nick Gates, another one of Rivera’s genius free agent signings, was a human turnstile at center, and was benched early in the season, only to be brought back out of necessity when Tyler Larsen was injured yet again.

Jahan Dotson: The former first round pick had a sophomore slump to remember. The drops were uncharacteristic for someone touted with “good hands” and the disappearing act he pulled for many games was disappointing. He finished the season with just 49 receptions for 518 receiving yards and four touchdowns over 17 games. he has to pull it together

Cody Barton: I don’t believe there was a more disappointing free agent signing than Cody Barton. To have two former linebackers on this coaching staff, and to come into the season with Cody Barton as your starting MIKE linebacker is an embarrassment and indictment on just how bad Rivera and Del Rio are at evaluating talent.

Emmanuel Forbes: It was a brutal rookie campaign for the “slender” cornerback. He was thrust into a confusing Del Rio defense and was asked to play coverage (match-up man) that was not tailored to his strengths. He was subsequently benched and his confidence took a massive hit because of it. He was brought back in a few weeks later and blown coverages, poor tackling and some nagging injuries ended his rookie season in massive disappointment. For someone hyped to be a turnover machine, he managed just one interception on the season.

Camaron Cheeseman: The guy had just one job; to snap the damn football, and he couldn’t even do that. To make matters even worse, Rivera traded up in the 2021 draft to take this guy!



Commanders Coaching Staff: This was a bottom three coaching staff in the entire NFL. I’ll be shocked if anyone from this group (maybe with the exception of Bieniemy) is hired again in 2024.

• Ron Rivera: Ron constructed this terrible roster and now he leaves with the cupboards really bare. We essentially wasted four years on a “plan” that has probably set us back another three! The only silver lining here is he left us with the second overall pick in the 2024 NFL draft and six picks within the top 102.
• Eric Bieniemy: Watching what Bobby Slowik has done with rookie CJ Stroud just leaves me scratching my head and asking myself - what the heck was Bieniemy thinking! hiis “my way or the highway” attitude imploded in his face, and he’ll be lucky to land another coordinator job in 2024.
• Jack Del Rio: The results of the Commanders 2023 defense is what you get when you have a stubborn dinosaur running a top five defense from the year before, but without key players at certain position and refusing to adapt his scheme to his players.

• Sam Howell: Howell had his ups and downs during the season, but when you throw 21 interceptions, get sacked 65 times and have a QBR of 42, that points to some major problems. When protected, Sam did show some nice traits, including a big arm and nice accuracy. He also has the ability to scramble and make things happen when the play breaks down. Unfortunately, Eric Bieniemy did the young man no favors with his play calling, and a porous O-line couldn't protect him (wonder who saw this coming).

• Jamin Davis: Before landing on IR with a season-ending injury, Davis was playing the best football of his young career. Through 13 games (all starts) at WILL linebacker, he totaled 89 tackles, eight for a loss, three sacks, two forced fumbles, four passes defended and an interception. I actually debated having him on the Studs list.

• Quan Martin: The season started off slowly for the second round pick, but towards the end, things really started to click. He tied for the team lead in interceptions with two, while contributing 46 total tackles, one for a loss and a sack. I saw enough to be excited about his future here.

• Jon Allen: It was a very average season for Allen, who through 16 games recorded 53 total tackles, 10 for a loss and five-and-a-half sacks.

• Daron Payne: Payne signed a massive contract extension in the offseason and had a pretty down year compared to 2022. He totaled 53 tackles, 13 for a loss, four sacks, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

• Khaleke Hudson: Hudson, who didn’t get much playing time early in the season despite fans clamoring for him to play more, came on very nicely over the team’s final eight games. He had 74 total tackles, five for a loss, a sack and two passes defended. He’s a free agent this off-season, so the team will need to make a decision on his future.

• Logan Thomas: It’s time to move on from the Logan Thomas experiment. The aging tight end looked pedestrian in his route running, poor in his blocking, and dropped more passes than I can remember seeing from him during his time in Washington.

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Future Building Blocks (excluding any pending free agents):​

• Terry McLaurin
• Sam Cosmi
• Jahan Dotson (semi-reluctantly)
• Daron Payne
• Jamin Davis
• Quan Martin

*Ricky Stromberg (fingers crossed)
*Emmanuel Forbes (holding out hope)

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Free Agents Who Should be Re-Signed:​

• Kendall Fuller - I’d even consider a move to free safety
• Khaleke Hudson - Even if it’s as a backup; he’s shown me something

Players I would Consider Trading:​

• Jon Allen - Would need at least a 3rd rounder

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That future building block list is sad....just sad.

 

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[duke1861]

I hope Leno isn't the LT next year.

 

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[Rowdy]

Coaching. Quick game

 

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[j_y19]

This is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Wylie and Leno need to be replaced.

 

[skinsdad62]

This is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Wylie and Leno need to be replaced.

i dont disagree but remember not all holes can be filled in one off season

 

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[kbso83432]

It's something I hope they try in camp.

 

[deanpet21]

It's something I hope they try in camp.

we would have to rely on a rookie LT to get it done and Wyile could fall apart at LG. C and the right side of the line look ok.

 

[skinsdad62]

we would have to rely on a rookie LT to get it done and Wyile could fall apart at LG. C and the right side of the line look ok.

you cant fix everything in one off season . i move wylie to LG , and if he is a BU then so be it , then cut him when the cap hit isnt so bad

 

[deanpet21]

you cant fix everything in one off season . i move wylie to LG , and if he is a BU then so be it , then cut him when the cap hit isnt so bad

i understand that but our rookie QB could get hurt or take an ass whopping like Howell did. Hopefully we wont throw as much as EB did. We are going to need a mobile QB back there and now im leaning towards Daniels if we go QB #2.

 

[skinsdad62]

i understand that but our rookie QB could get hurt or take an ass whopping like Howell did. Hopefully we wont throw as much as EB did. We are going to need a mobile QB back there and now im leaning towards Daniels if we go QB #2.

Dean , FA is weak at o/line , the draft is where it’s strong . You have one guy , cosmi who can play , you aren’t drafting 4 starting o/lineman . At best maybe 3 . It isn’t perfect but it’s what you might have to do

 

[deanpet21]

Dean , FA is weak at o/line , the draft is where it’s strong . You have one guy , cosmi who can play , you aren’t drafting 4 starting o/lineman . At best maybe 3 . It isn’t perfect but it’s what you might have to do

im not disputing that.

 

[skinsdad62]

is this class as good as this one