Buyers or Sellers???

[Cmon_WTF]

Wellwoods acquire means that Mitchell is gone for the year. I do not think sharks will trade Pav knowing he is a big time player. He was hurt this season so we will see what he brings on the table and also playing with horrible players all year long.
I think sharks are inpatient with Seto and he might be gone by the deadline.

Mitchell has been playing wing most of the year. Once Clowe is healthy we'll see Couture move back to center to be paired with him. That leaves a pecking order of Thornton, Couture, Pavelski, and Nichol at center. To my knowledge Wellwood has never played the wing so why would his aquisition be needed with those pieces already in place? The Sharks needed a top 9 forward but they needed a winger not a center.

 

[Cbrower91]

He is a shootout specialist, and had one good playoff series. He hasn't home a full year without injury our some kind of major scoring slump.

he is going to fall victim to the changing of the style of play in the league which is speed. He lacks it at all levels.I it will be tough to move his contract when he wont be able to keep up put score

Typing with swipe on a small screen sucks lol.

What i meant was that Pavelski is slow now, in 2 to 3 years he wont be able to keep up at top 2 line speeds, and probably not even 3rd line speeds.

Carrying 4 million a season on one of your bottom 6 forwards is a waste of cap space. Right now his trade value is probably at his highest, the sharks have a better cheaper and faster alternative that makes the second line go in couture.

SHarks have a need, the time is now to fill it.

 

[sjrules99]

if the sharks move pavelski, it better be for a #1 defenseman who is under 28 and signed long term at a reasonable price.

pavelski may be slow and he may not have the raw skills, but he is not in decline or anything (he's all of 26) and while he has had bumps and bruises, he hasnt had serious injuries that have kept him out that long and I dont see injury as a major problem for him since I dont think there are recurring issues with knees, backs or the like that linger.

The key thing with pavs is his ability to play in the clutch and his "swiss army knife" features. he is an excellent PKer, helps run a very good PP from the point, is out there in the last minute or OT in key situations, and has a knack for scoring really big goals. Also, having 3 good centers is a whole lot better than two. 2 scoring lines and a black hole bottom six is actually not that good, so having pavs, couture, and jumbo as your 1-2-3 at center is very valuable and I wouldn't want to change it unless they can get that superstar dman.

 

[sjrules99]

Also, I'm not so sure that it's a total coincidence that the team was 2-6 without pavs and is 3-1 with him back. he was obviously important in the vancouver game with the SO winnr. He jumpstarted the PP which was god awful in his absence, he had 3 pts in the two wins against pho and stl and adds a really significant offensive and defensive presence. When he went down it left a pretty big hole.

 

[Cbrower91]

It's not a lack of skill. It is a lack of first step quickness and overall speed. He isn't a serious army knife as you claim he is a disaster at center and on the point. If he doesn't keep the puck in the zone on the pp it's a break away going the opposite direction.

It's a lack of options that even has him out on the point in the first place.
The speed of the game is what's going to do him I'm in not his skill set

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Also, I'm not so sure that it's a total coincidence that the team was 2-6 without pavs and is 3-1 with him back. he was obviously important in the vancouver game with the SO winnr. He jumpstarted the PP which was god awful in his absence, he had 3 pts in the two wins against pho and stl and adds a really significant offensive and defensive presence. When he went down it left a pretty big hole.

Rules you might want to give it a couple games before you give him credit for anything. On the PP Thornton is now actually moving his feet which has been huge, Couture has been a spark plug for whomever his linemates have been all year and was put on the 1st PP unit at the same time it came to life as well. Fact is the team has played no better and no worse these last three games with Pavelski than they did the last three without him. The Edmonton game being the only blip on the radar between the two. The only difference is the bounces have going thier way lately.

As for trading him, I agree that it better be a piece to the puzzle long term if he's moved.

 

[sjrules99]

yeah, he isnt the savior of the team. Dont get me wrong. However, Im just not sure it was such a coincidence that the team was significantly worse without him than with him. Sure, bounces are a part of it. luck, hard work by other guys, great tending and the like are also responsible. Also, it's nearly impossible to credit one guy with a victory unless that guy just takes over the game. Pavs isnt that type of player. he wont take over a game and dominate.

That said, the SO winner wasnt a 'bounce'. The cross seam pass on the PP vs. stl to jumbo got everyone on the PK out of position and allowed jumbo to one touch it to a wide open heater for the first goal in that game. (I remember it well cuz I was there)

He was the lone forward on the 4 on 3 PK in OT last game and did not allow anything through the seams giving niemi a good chance at every shot. These are all small things but add up to a valuable player. Not to mention that pavs absolutely carried the sharks through that colorado series and the first couple games vs. detroit. He went cold after and couldnt match the speed of chicago (noone but patty could actually), but he has a knack for the big play.

 

[MrFlyingV]

He is a shootout specialist, and had one good playoff series. He hasn't home a full year without injury our some kind of major scoring slump.

he is going to fall victim to the changing of the style of play in the league which is speed. He lacks it at all levels.I it will be tough to move his contract when he wont be able to keep up put score

I agree 100% here. I think 1) Couture's emergence and 2) the Sharks lack of of speed makes Pavelski expendable and the most valuable trading commodity the Sharks have. Seto? I don't think you get that much for him. He seems to be becoming Cheechoo II. After that injury stretch early last year (after he started nicely), he seems to never have been the same and has completely lost it as far as scoring goes. Pavelski and someone for a reliable puck moving defenseman with more speed. This team needs some more speed desperately. Look how many slugs this team has? Wallin, Huskins, Murray, even Vlasic and Boyle somewhat on defense, and up front Clowe and Pavelski definitely, and Heatley to an extent too.

 

[SharkFan0720]

Wow Im shocked everyone wants to trade Pavs. I love the guy and just think the Sharks are a better team when hes on the ice. Yes, he is a snail out there, but his smarts help him to make up for that. Lets stick with trading Heatley who is very disappointing.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Wow Im shocked everyone wants to trade Pavs. I love the guy and just think the Sharks are a better team when hes on the ice. Yes, he is a snail out there, but his smarts help him to make up for that. Lets stick with trading Heatley who is very disappointing.

I don't think it's a matter of wanting to trade him. It has more to do with questioning Wilson's reasons for claiming Wellwood. Bringing in another center makes no sense unless he's planning to trade one or expects McLellan to move one of Pavelski or Couture to the wing permanently for the rest of the season. If he is looking to trade a center then Pavelski is the most likely canidate.

 

[Cbrower91]

I don't think it's a matter of wanting to trade him. It has more to do with questioning Wilson's reasons for claiming Wellwood. Bringing in another center makes no sense unless he's planning to trade one or expects McLellan to move one of Pavelski or Couture to the wing permanently for the rest of the season. If he is looking to trade a center then Pavelski is the most likely canidate.

Believe me if Pavelski had any kind fo first step quickness and a better top gear, i'd say you couldnt trade him. It's not that i'd want him gone for the sake of getting rid of him.

Just like Seto/Clowe made Bernier expendable, Couture has made Pavleksi expendable. He just doesnt have the speed,quickness or agility to keep up in the future.

He is hanging on for dear life as we speak right now. If you watched the Olympics it was clear he couldnt keep up with world class skaters. Bad news for Pavelski is that the league is heading that direction, and its happening quickly.

 

[Cbrower91]

Just to share the owners of fry's are part of the ownership group. By no means are they hurting for money. Thei custom 747 is proof of that