Buyers or Sellers???

[SharkFan0720]

I know this thread may piss some people off, but if the Sharks dont make some drastic changes I would try to get rid of one of the big three and try to rebuild. The way the d stands, no way we get out of the first round, even if we do make the playoffs. I have been a Sharks fan for only 12 years, but this is one of the worst defensive hockey teams I have ever seen. I have no given up on this team, but if drastic changes arent made to the D I say we are sellers. Any thoughts?

 

[Cbrower91]

They are buying, i'm guessing this is the last push for this core before they blow up the team. Unless they make it to the stanley cup finals and win/lose, i see the gutting process starting this offseason

 

[SJVP408]

If things don't get back on track I am okay with a partial rebuild. It's going to be near impossible to find three takers for all three stooges, so if Thornton and one of Patty/Heater can be retained along with a revamped blueline, this team is back in contention.
If the season doesn't seem like it can be salvaged (make playoffs with legit chance to win), I say sell. Sell, be smart in the offseason and come back in 2012 with a better blueline. The team is not old so a complete rebuild may not be necessary. It's hard to think that this core can get it done, but rebuilds are even harder. Successfully rebuilding with a shaky scouting department is near impossible.

 

[LivinLegend22]

Its unlikely this team can be sellers. Thornton and Marleau don't wanna go anywhere and I'm sure will not be traded. Heatley made it obvious in Ottawa that he wouldn't be easy to trade unless you send him where he wants to go. Who else has any value that you could move? Maybe you could move Niemi or Setoguchi possibly Murray, but this team is kind of stuck with the veterans they have as the guys outside of the big 3 have no value(Huskins,Mayers, Mitchell) or would be pointless to move if you are trying to rebuild (Clowe, Couture, Pavs). Maybe in the offseason you talk to big guys, I doubt Marleau could be convinced but maybe you can get a list of teams and move Joe or Heatley.

 

[SharkFan0720]

Eager and Wellwood are nice players, but until this D is drastically changed we are sellers. I am really scared Wilson doesnt get a top 4 dman. Go fucking get Whitney now and make a package for Beauchemin. Give up big time players, I dont care. Defense and goaltending win you cups. Top lines are shut down in the playoffs. The thing is I dont know how long we can wait. With these D pairings there is no way we go on a long hot streak, there just too damn inconsistent. I think trades need to happen now so we dont slip any further out of the Top 8.

 

[Stackem]

Gonna go with neither. Am guessing any remaining moves will be limited or of minor importance due to no cap space and contractual restrictions on trades. I'm sure if Doug had the ability he'd go buyer - bring in another high priced, under performing, one dimensional player or two... cause they're fun to collect I guess... who freakin knows...

He's all in at this point. Pot committed with a crap hand that he made. But really, how much more damage can he do given the cap situation....? Actually, I'm kinda scared I asked that question.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

If Dougie can work it out I think he'll make a move for a 2nd teir puck mover like Fedor Tyutin or Jordan Leopold. Seto and Huskins plus a pick would probably be going the other way.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Although the aquisition of another center in Wellwood does make me wonder if Wilson plans on making a bigger splash with a move that involves Pavelski.

 

[Slimpikins]

I doubt he moves Pavelski right after signing him to a new deal.

What about Montador? I don't know much about the guy but I have heard a couple of San Jose fans mention his name. Plus Seto may not have to be part of the deal.

 

[SJVP408]

Although the aquisition of another center in Wellwood does make me wonder if Wilson plans on making a bigger splash with a move that involves Pavelski.

The acquisition of Wellwood, and also the emergence of Couture makes the center ahead of him in the depth chart expendable. That would indeed be Pavelski. Also, Pavs makes $4 so that allows more salary to be taken back than a package surrounding Seto. If Pavs goes, the dman coming back better be a part of the Sharks long term plans.

 

[shrksfn9192]

I doubt he moves Pavelski right after signing him to a new deal.

What about Montador? I don't know much about the guy but I have heard a couple of San Jose fans mention his name. Plus Seto may not have to be part of the deal.

Remember him well...

Calgary Flames vs. San Jose Sharks - Recap - May 09, 2004 - ESPN

 

[sjrules99]

pavs = expendable? Not so sure about that. Look at how the team did when he went down? Not saying he was the only part of that, but couture, clowe and all of them were perfectly healthy and the team couldn't score a lick. pavs returns, the PP scores 5 goals in 3 games (after 1 in the previous 6) and 10 goals overall in that span. coincidence? maybe.... or maybe not.

The only established guys with some trade value that I could going are pickles and seto. Murray is a mainstay I would think, boyle of course, and there is pretty much no value to huskins or wallin. Demers is a youngin who I dont see dougie trading. Mitchell and Mcginn have pretty much no value I think. Couture is untouchable. Clowe has been the player and most consistent guy all year and the big three aren't moving (let's face it, they aren't going anywhere).

that said, vlasic+seto+pick/prospect is a very reasonable package for a top pairing dman. vlasic is definitely a top 4 Dman, seto is a good value potential top 6 forward. They would likely be enough to land at least bouchemin (if that is much of an upgrade anyways), whitney, or someone of that ilk. I'm not sure that guys of that caliber are enough to give the sharks a legit chance, but I wonder if they both have outlived their welcome in SJ and hit a wall. Seto particularly would be a frustrating loss since he has shown the potential to be a stud but just never quite got there (of course, so did bernier and look how he turned out).

I dont think dougie is done, and I do hope he pulls of a steal. he's done it before, he could do it again...

 

[Cmon_WTF]

pavs = expendable? Not so sure about that. Look at how the team did when he went down? Not saying he was the only part of that, but couture, clowe and all of them were perfectly healthy and the team couldn't score a lick. pavs returns, the PP scores 5 goals in 3 games (after 1 in the previous 6) and 10 goals overall in that span. coincidence? maybe.... or maybe not.

The only established guys with some trade value that I could going are pickles and seto. Murray is a mainstay I would think, boyle of course, and there is pretty much no value to huskins or wallin. Demers is a youngin who I dont see dougie trading. Mitchell and Mcginn have pretty much no value I think. Couture is untouchable. Clowe has been the player and most consistent guy all year and the big three aren't moving (let's face it, they aren't going anywhere).

that said, vlasic+seto+pick/prospect is a very reasonable package for a top pairing dman. vlasic is definitely a top 4 Dman, seto is a good value potential top 6 forward. They would likely be enough to land at least bouchemin (if that is much of an upgrade anyways), whitney, or someone of that ilk. I'm not sure that guys of that caliber are enough to give the sharks a legit chance, but I wonder if they both have outlived their welcome in SJ and hit a wall. Seto particularly would be a frustrating loss since he has shown the potential to be a stud but just never quite got there (of course, so did bernier and look how he turned out).

I dont think dougie is done, and I do hope he pulls of a steal. he's done it before, he could do it again...

What's the point of trading a top 4 dman for another top 4 dman?

 

[sjrules99]

What's the point of trading a top 4 dman for another top 4 dman?

I would hope dougie would get a top pairing guy in a deal. Also, for a bit better offensive defenseman. Pickles is a great defensive defenseman, PKer and the like, but the sharks need some more help from the D in the O-zone. they have no shots from the point, basically. Boyle is very mobile but his shot is only average. Demers is similar. Good mobility, not much of a shot. Noone of the other 4 can shoot. they miss blake because he gave them a very hard accurate shot from the point on the PP which really spread the opposition and was hard to block.

That's the point for trading for a guy like whitney. However, I would hope that dougie might be able to pull off a deal for a legit top pairing guy using pickles and seto as the main bait. the question is who is available (since there are relatively few obvious sellers right now), how much is the asking price, and who would be good.

Phaneuf, bouchemin, kaberle, Bouwmeester, loepold, montador, gonchar, Greene, mccabe, whitney, babchuk, regehr could all be on the market.

Possible pitkanen, weber, bieksa, seabrook as well.

lots of options, some good some not, but we'll see...

 

[Cbrower91]

If Dwill were smart he'd deal pavelski this season our the off season. He probably had 2 to 3 years left as an effective scoring forward before the speed of the league reduces him to a ineffective 3rd or 4th liner.

Every year the league gets younger and faster both of these things work against pavelski

 

[Cmon_WTF]

I would hope dougie would get a top pairing guy in a deal. Also, for a bit better offensive defenseman. Pickles is a great defensive defenseman, PKer and the like, but the sharks need some more help from the D in the O-zone. they have no shots from the point, basically. Boyle is very mobile but his shot is only average. Demers is similar. Good mobility, not much of a shot. Noone of the other 4 can shoot. they miss blake because he gave them a very hard accurate shot from the point on the PP which really spread the opposition and was hard to block.

That's the point for trading for a guy like whitney. However, I would hope that dougie might be able to pull off a deal for a legit top pairing guy using pickles and seto as the main bait. the question is who is available (since there are relatively few obvious sellers right now), how much is the asking price, and who would be good.

Phaneuf, bouchemin, kaberle, Bouwmeester, loepold, montador, gonchar, Greene, mccabe, whitney, babchuk, regehr could all be on the market.

Possible pitkanen, weber, bieksa, seabrook as well.

lots of options, some good some not, but we'll see...

Of all they dmen you listed the only ones I'd consider including Vlasic in a deal for is Weber and Seabrook. Only problem is they most likely won't be available until the offseason if at all. The only chance that they are available at the trade deadline is if thier teams fall out of the PO race and the looks of that are slim to none.

 

[sharksfan1135]

Wellwoods acquire means that Mitchell is gone for the year. I do not think sharks will trade Pav knowing he is a big time player. He was hurt this season so we will see what he brings on the table and also playing with horrible players all year long.
I think sharks are inpatient with Seto and he might be gone by the deadline.

 

[Cbrower91]

He is a shootout specialist, and had one good playoff series. He hasn't home a full year without injury our some kind of major scoring slump.

he is going to fall victim to the changing of the style of play in the league which is speed. He lacks it at all levels.I it will be tough to move his contract when he wont be able to keep up put score

 

[Destroydacre]

Remember him well...

Calgary Flames vs. San Jose Sharks - Recap - May 09, 2004 - ESPN

The picture in that recap makes me tear up a little. Ricci is exactly the type of player this team needs. I'd take 3 Mike Ricci's on the first line over what we have now.

 

[shrksfn9192]

The picture in that recap makes me tear up a little. Ricci is exactly the type of player this team needs. I'd take 3 Mike Ricci's on the first line over what we have now.

Classic Mike Ricci, crashing the net to score on Kiprusoff.