2016 NFL Salary Cap QF 4 : Sushi vs Shane

[Nosferatu]

SUSHI

OFFENSE
QB - Derek Carr - $1,465,037
RB - Arian Foster - $818,161
FB - Bruce Miller - $486,500
WR - Amari Cooper - $5,150,708
WR - Randall Cobb - $9,150,000
WR - Emmanuel Sanders - $6,187,500
TE - Martellus Bennett - 5,185,000
LT - Joe Staley - $8,300,000
LG - Josh Sitton - $5,416,666
C - Matt Paradis - $525,000
OG - Ramon Foster G - 2,416,666
OT - Andrew Whitworth - $8,000,000

DEFENSE
DE - Robert Mathis - $5,000,000
DT - Aaron Donald - $2,764,037
DT - Vince Wilfork - $5,500,000
DE - Julius Peppers - $10,500,000
OLB - K.J. Wright - $6,250,000
MLB - Derrick Johnson - $3,500,000
OLB - Vontaze Burfict - $3,322,059
CB - DeAngelo Hall - $5,062,500
CB - Brent Grimes - $8,000,000
CB - Vontae Davis - $8,375,000
SS - Roman Harper - $680,000
FS - Eric Berry - $10,806,000

VS

SHANE

OFFENSE
QB - Russell Wilson - $18,542,000
RB - Frank Gore - $4,000,000
FB - Patrick DiMarco - $897,500
WR - Andre Johnson - $985,000
WR - Brandon Marshall - $9,500,000
WR - Kelvin Benjamin - $2,090,250
TE - Rob Gronkowski - $6,618,750
LT - Ryan Clady - $5,500,000
LG - Evan Mathis $4,006,900
C - Weston Richburg - $1,330,187
RG - Larry Warford - $1,845,250
RT - Ryan Schraeder - $2,553,000

DEFENSE
DE - Muhammad Wilkerson - 10,000,000
DT - Kyle Williams - $6,250,000
NT - Brandon Williams - $1,799,750
OLB - Von Miller - $11,500,000
ILB - Navarro Bowman - $10,234,000
ILB - Daryl Washington - $2,100,000
OLB - Khalil Mack - $5,093,727
CB - Chris Harris - $9,000,000
CB - Malcolm Butler - $600,000
CB - Brandon Browner - $760,000
SS - Kenny Vaccaro - $2,998,771
FS - Antoine Bethea - $6,025,000

 

[Nosferatu]

SUSHI - 2
SHANE - 6

VOTED - UK, 500, Shane, Femur, WLK, Sushi, Milk, EHB

 

[UK Cowboy]

I like Sushi's defense, but Shane's team would score some points. I think Shane's D would dominate Sushi's offense.
Shane

 

[Pack 500]

Shane

 

[Shanemansj13]

I love Sushi's d-line but I think my offense will be too much in this matchup. I got myself in a good matchup.

 

[femurov]

Shane

 

[wlk3]

I agree with Sushi in that he has a solid all around team but Shane's offense is explosive and I think puts a little too much on the board... so even though he's mean to my uncle I got Shane...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Don't really love Shane's skill players... He really has absolutely no speed at all... it is hard to guard size, but i don't like one dimension... and i feel shane is that... even his running game, has no speed at all... With Gore, i don't think he needed a FB as Gore is known to be one of the best blocking backs in football, and doesn't really have the amazing speed to be significantly improved on having a FB...

So for the lack of speed i think i must go sushi...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Don't really love Shane's skill players... He really has absolutely no speed at all... it is hard to guard size, but i don't like one dimension... and i feel shane is that... even his running game, has no speed at all... With Gore, i don't think he needed a FB as Gore is known to be one of the best blocking backs in football, and doesn't really have the amazing speed to be significantly improved on having a FB...

So for the lack of speed i think i must go sushi...

No speed? Andre Johnson was known for catching the deep ball. The guy had breakaway speed, he was like Calvin Johnson, not him obviously. Gore was one of the best cutters, that's what made him great, not just breaking tackles but he showed you don't need elite speed to be a great back.

But I disagree bc Andre ran a 4.41 LOL Calvin ran a 4.35...

Andre could arguably be the best WR in this draft, mainly bc he is retired now. He had the size, physicality, the hands and speed. Triple threat.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Don't really love Shane's skill players... He really has absolutely no speed at all... it is hard to guard size, but i don't like one dimension... and i feel shane is that... even his running game, has no speed at all... With Gore, i don't think he needed a FB as Gore is known to be one of the best blocking backs in football, and doesn't really have the amazing speed to be significantly improved on having a FB...

So for the lack of speed i think i must go sushi...

Shane's QB's mobility would open holes for Gore. He doesn't need to be fast to hang 150

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Shane's QB's mobility would open holes for Gore. He doesn't need to be fast to hang 150

we overvalue mobile QBs IMO... Elite defenses tend to contain/stop mobile QBs... and sushi has one of the best defensive lines in this mock, and possibly the best overall defense in this mock...

 

[Shanemansj13]

we overvalue mobile QBs IMO... Elite defenses tend to contain/stop mobile QBs... and sushi has one of the best defensive lines in this mock, and possibly the best overall defense in this mock...

It isn't all about running, it is about the actual threat of mobility and their ability to escape the pocket to give WR's time to get open

 

[UK Cowboy]

we overvalue mobile QBs IMO... Elite defenses tend to contain/stop mobile QBs... and sushi has one of the best defensive lines in this mock, and possibly the best overall defense in this mock...

The NFL has NEVER been able to contain mobile QB's that can also THROW. Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Michael Vick(before dog gate), Russell Wilson. It also helps the running game...Zeke Elliott is a stud, and has a great OLine, but I can't tell you how many big runs he has had this season where the OLB and DE were going AWAY from Zeke instead of crashing, because they are trying to contain Dak on a fake. RG3 was even dominant before he wrecked his knee

 

[wlk3]

we overvalue mobile QBs IMO... Elite defenses tend to contain/stop mobile QBs... and sushi has one of the best defensive lines in this mock, and possibly the best overall defense in this mock...

That's a fair point but do you see the size differentials between the WRs and CBs... size isn't everything but it neutralizes some of the pass rush with slants and back shoulder passes that can be thrown quickly... and you can't ignore Gronk to stop the slants with your LBs... he's got a solid group I do agree he didn't need a FB but doesn't really matter...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

the only problem i have with Sushi's team is that he paid WAY to much for such a mediocre receiving game... Wish he was able to get better receiver/TE for the money... But everything else, i see this being one of the best team in the mock...

 

[Shanemansj13]

we overvalue mobile QBs IMO... Elite defenses tend to contain/stop mobile QBs... and sushi has one of the best defensive lines in this mock, and possibly the best overall defense in this mock...

Another thing is, in these mocks how often do you think big plays with occur, not as likely as in a regular NFL game. A big, physical WR like Brandon Marshall who has mastered getting open due to physicality and ability to push off CB's and not get tagged is key, sometimes it is almost impossible to cover a WR like that IMO

 

[Shanemansj13]

That's a fair point but do you see the size differentials between the WRs and CBs... size isn't everything but it neutralizes some of the pass rush with slants and back shoulder passes that can be thrown quickly... and you can't ignore Gronk to stop the slants with your LBs... he's got a solid group I do agree he didn't need a FB but doesn't really matter...

I wanted to get a speed back but a FB along with Gore can only open up more holes and a threat to catch the ball out of the backfield as well IMO

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That's a fair point but do you see the size differentials between the WRs and CBs... size isn't everything but it neutralizes some of the pass rush with slants and back shoulder passes that can be thrown quickly... and you can't ignore Gronk to stop the slants with your LBs... he's got a solid group I do agree he didn't need a FB but doesn't really matter...

your definitely correct... it is a huge factor... not trying to say it is not... I just have a hard time voting for a team that loses in every aspect of the match EXCEPT his receivers... While he focused so hard on making an elite offense, but is kind of one dimensional at that...

I know i am being too hard on shane's offense, part of it is because i think Russell Wilson is over-rated...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Another thing is, in these mocks how often do you think big plays with occur, not as likely as in a regular NFL game. A big, physical WR like Brandon Marshall who has mastered getting open due to physicality and ability to push off CB's and not get tagged is key, sometimes it is almost impossible to cover a WR like that IMO

Yes, but you lose the battle at the lines so badly that Russell Wilson would be scrambling for his life all game... he does make great plays on the run, but he has never faced a defense like this... I just don't see it...

 

[UK Cowboy]

your definitely correct... it is a huge factor... not trying to say it is not... I just have a hard time voting for a team that loses in every aspect of the match EXCEPT his receivers... While he focused so hard on making an elite offense, but is kind of one dimensional at that...

I know i am being too hard on shane's offense, part of it is because i think Russell Wilson is over-rated...

Wilson and Carr are about a wash. I do have a question about your no speed assessment.. where is the speed on Sushi's offense? Arian Foster ain't exactly Bo Jackson. Cooper, Cobb and Sanders...which one is faster than Andre Johnson. Not knocking Sushi's squad, I just don't get your argument