The Seattle Seahawks have traded for Jamaal Adams

[NWPATSFAN]

You are pretty much on an island with claiming that elite RBS are game changers. The Seahawks defense was shut down in large part because of Thomas and Kam. The Seahawks nearly won a SB in 2005 in large part because of their LT and their LG.



It's not easy to win Super Bowls. IMO, Carroll made it harder by sticking with a terrible OL coach for way too long.

Well if you don't think guys like D. Henry, E. Elliott, McCaffrey, Chubb or M. Lynch, Barry Sanders. J. Brown, W. Payton... weren't aren't game changers you need to find a new sport to watch. Those "elite" RBs may not have longevity but they are/were certainly game changers.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well if you don't think guys like D. Henry, E. Elliott, McCaffrey, Chubb or M. Lynch, Barry Sanders. J. Brown, W. Payton... weren't aren't game changers you need to find a new sport to watch. Those "elite" RBs may not have longevity but they are/were certainly game changers.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

It's not easy to win Super Bowls. IMO, Carroll made it harder by sticking with a terrible OL coach for way too long.

Had A LOT of conversations about Cable here and never understood the people who constantly defended him. I really don't understand how the hell he keeps getting jobs because he's an asshole on top of being a bad coach. That's beside the point though.

He had waaaaay too much to do with the O-line guys that were drafted and the guys he did want always seemed to be huge projects or big dumb goons that were penalty prone and couldn't pass block to save their lives. Even though the O-line hasn't been amazing or anything since Solari came back there has been an obvious difference in quality of o-line play.

 

[flyerhawk]

Well if you don't think guys like D. Henry, E. Elliott, McCaffrey, Chubb or M. Lynch, Barry Sanders. J. Brown, W. Payton... weren't aren't game changers you need to find a new sport to watch. Those "elite" RBs may not have longevity but they are/were certainly game changers.

LOL. You're barely trying at this point.

 

[flyerhawk]

FTR, for the "He's just a SS" people here...

 

[flyerhawk]

Great video talking about how versatile and effective Adams.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

LOL. You're barely trying at this point.

OK you must be joking now?

Are you honestly trying to say those RBs as well as others not mentioned aren't/weren't game changers?

Is that really what you're trying to sell?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Great video talking about how versatile and effective Adams.

Now you need hype videos to help convince yourself this was a good deal for the Hawks?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Considering the Jets have sucked forever, I wonder how many of these 12s on here arguing actually knew anything about him before this trade?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

At a lot of positions I may agree? Still very difficult for me to give up that much draft capital. Very rare that a SS is the missing link that brings a team a championship. Especially like I mentioned once players start going down and there is little to no depth it doesn't matter how good a pro bowler you have playing safety. Chances are your team is not going to win.


I look at the Belicheck system. He loads up on draft picks and mid level FAs. The Pats continue to compete and win even after getting decimated by injuries.

There was the year they had to start WR Troy Brown at safety and then I think it was 2017 where they had about 20 players on the IR come the end of the season.

It is a lot of draft capital for sure and it's a high risk high reward and I guess the FO feels this was a needed move since usually they value moving those picks in trade backs gaining more picks. I just hope we get a season in cause both our teams look very intriguing.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Now you need hype videos to help convince yourself this was a good deal for the Hawks?

Hahaha. Playing the hits tonight eh?

Watch the video. Brett Kollman is one of the best guys out there breaking down film and generating content like this.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It is a lot of draft capital for sure and it's a high risk high reward and I guess the FO feels this was a needed move since usually they value moving those picks in trade backs gaining more picks. I just hope we get a season in cause both our teams look very intriguing.

Agreed hope there is a season?

Yeah no idea what NE will do? Beside the Covid mess, a bunch of key losses, guys opting out, new QB and a stronger SoS than they've had in years...

This team could go 12-4 or just as easily go 4-12.

The ace in the hole is Belichick. Just when you start to doubt him, he makes something happen. They had a good draft and a decent FA. With the opt outs they've picked up some needed cap space. So I don't think BB is done. I could see him going after Clowney or Griffen.

Who will start at QB Newton (I'm still not a fan) of his?. Between his flamboyant attitude and his run people over first mentality just not a fan. Regardless he or Stidham it will be nice to see a mobile QB behind center. Something NE has lacked for decades: Grogan, Bledsoe, Brady...

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Hahaha. Playing the hits tonight eh?

Watch the video. Brett Kollman is one of the best guys out there breaking down film and generating content like this.

Sorry stopped listening after he said Adams was a top 10 player in the league today.

No one is doubting Adams is a great player. Top 10 in the league? Not quite. Not even top 10 current defensive player in the league. The only issue is how much Seattle gave up and those defending that. Again in most people's opinions a SS, regardless of where he lines up isn't that much of a game changer. Yes he'll make lots of great plays. Yes he's an upgrade. But is he more than a game difference between McDougald? Does he get Seattle into the next playoff round? time will tell. Anything less than a SB is a failure after mortgaging the farm.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Sorry stopped listening after he said Adams was a top 10 player in the league today.

No one is doubting Adams is a great player. Top 10 in the league? Not quite. Not even top 10 current defensive player in the league. The only issue is how much Seattle gave up and those defending that. Again in most people's opinions a SS, regardless of where he lines up isn't that much of a game changer. Yes he'll make lots of great plays. Yes he's an upgrade. But is he more than a game difference between McDougald? Does he get Seattle into the next playoff round? time will tell. Anything less than a SB is a failure after mortgaging the farm.

Ha, never change bud.

So you got a minute into the video (the thesis statement basically) and then just said "Nope don't agree with that, I'm done! Don't even want to hear the argument, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about!" Sounds about right.

You realize later he backs up every single one of this claims? Plenty of stats and examples. I'm not even saying I necessary agree with him but it's a great vid and he makes a good argument.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Ha, never change bud.

So you got a minute into the video (the thesis statement basically) and then just said "Nope don't agree with that, I'm done! Don't even want to hear the argument, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about!" Sounds about right.

You realize later he backs up every single one of this claims? Plenty of stats and examples. I'm not even saying I necessary agree with him but it's a great vid and he makes a good argument.

What arguement? That Adams is a top 5 player currently in the NFL?

No thanks I don't need to waste my time. It's like flipping through a hundred tv channels. I don't need to watch it in it's intirety to know I don't want to watch it.

Besides who needs this expert's opinion. I have yours and the other 12s.

I've been watching Adams play since he was at Louisiana State. He was in our division since he came into the league. I know his skill set. I've said it over and over. But that's not the arguement here.

The arguement is was he worth it?

I mean come on do you put this guy anywhere close to top 5 in the league?

 

[Cave_Johnson]

What arguement? That Adams is a top 5 player currently in the NFL?

No thanks I don't need to waste my time. It's like flipping through a hundred tv channels. I don't need to watch it in it's intirety to know I don't want to watch it.

Besides who needs this expert's opinion. I have yours and the other 12s.

I've been watching Adams play since he was at Louisiana State. He was in our division since he came into the league. I know his skill set. I've said it over and over. But that's not the arguement here.

The arguement is was he worth it?

I mean come on do you put this guy anywhere close to top 5 in the league?

As per usual you're outright ignoring or refusing to read/watch anything that challenges your opinion. Congrats on watching him for this long I guess. Two a games a year since he entered the NFL. Wow. You must be a real expert.

Again, I don't agree that he's a top 10 player in the league, but this Brett Kollman fella watches a full year of snaps for one player while doing these vids. His job is to watch tape all day. He knows his shit and he makes a convincing argument. But I guess stay ignorant if you want.

Is Adams anywhere near the top 5 in the league? Players? No. Safeties? Yes. Right up there no matter where you look.

PFF top NFL players 2019: 32nd player and 4th safety
The top 101 players from the 2019 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

PFF top NFL players 2018: 20th player and 2nd safety
The top 101 players from the 2018 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

NFL Top 100: No real stats here, but he's the top ranked safety according to the players. That's not nothing.
Full NFL Top 100 list: Here's who players voted as the best in the league

NFL.com did an All-Analytics team (just as a sort of opposite example from the player vote). He's the starting SS
NFL All-Analytics Team: Lamar Jackson, Stephon Gilmore stand out

I already said I thought it was too much to pay for the guy. But the dude is elite and the Jets and Seahawks both knew it. In that situation it takes a king's ransom to get that guy.

We'll see how it plays out but an elite safety with this kind of versatility is exactly the kind of guy that COULD make giving up two first rounders worth it. I don't think I'd have made this move considering the D-line's pass rushing issues but Seattle still has the cap to pick somebody up before the season starts (assuming they play).

The bottom line is that it's not anywhere near a Herschel Walker level trade like you're making it out to be.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

As per usual you're outright ignoring or refusing to read/watch anything that challenges your opinion. Congrats on watching him for this long I guess. Two a games a year since he entered the NFL. Wow. You must be a real expert.

Again, I don't agree that he's a top 10 player in the league, but this Brett Kollman fella watches a full year of snaps for one player while doing these vids. His job is to watch tape all day. He knows his shit and he makes a convincing argument. But I guess stay ignorant if you want.

Is Adams anywhere near the top 5 in the league? Players? No. Safeties? Yes. Right up there no matter where you look.

PFF top NFL players 2019: 32nd player and 4th safety
The top 101 players from the 2019 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

PFF top NFL players 2018: 20th player and 2nd safety
The top 101 players from the 2018 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

NFL Top 100: No real stats here, but he's the top ranked safety according to the players. That's not nothing.
Full NFL Top 100 list: Here's who players voted as the best in the league

NFL.com did an All-Analytics team (just as a sort of opposite example from the player vote). He's the starting SS
NFL All-Analytics Team: Lamar Jackson, Stephon Gilmore stand out

I already said I thought it was too much to pay for the guy. But the dude is elite and the Jets and Seahawks both knew it. In that situation it takes a king's ransom to get that guy.

We'll see how it plays out but an elite safety with this kind of versatility is exactly the kind of guy that COULD make giving up two first rounders worth it. I don't think I'd have made this move considering the D-line's pass rushing issues but Seattle still has the cap to pick somebody up before the season starts (assuming they play).

The bottom line is that it's not anywhere near a Herschel Walker level trade like you're making it out to be.

"As per usual" WTF is that? I outright ignore or refuse to read/watch anything that challenges your opinion. Glad you know everything I do.

At least you admit he's not top 5. Personally he's not even top 25 in my book. So no I don't need to listen to one mans opinion when he's that far out of calibration.

You won't get an argument out of me he's one of the top safeties in the league. A likely HOFr if he continues on this pace without a doubt. Again no is arguing that. But you like so many other soft skinned 12s get all rustled anytime someone says anything slightly negative about the Hawks.

We will see how it plays out? But anything less than a SB is a bust. Why do you and others only say two first rounders when you refer to this trade? Does it make it easier to take? It's two first, a third, a starter and a huge contract in the near future. Sorry to disappoint but that is part of the deal and needs to be included when trying to defend your cause.

Oh and where did I say I only watch the Jets twice a year? Did you skip the part of where I also watched him in college? Not that it matters. We agree he's a great player, an upgrade for sure. So can we stop doing that dance and move onto something else?

 

[Godstree]

Considering the Jets have sucked forever, I wonder how many of these 12s on here arguing actually knew anything about him before this trade?

Fuck seattle, but I know he has been rumored for a long time to want to move on from the team and many team boards have talked about him. Cowboy fan have been screaming for the guy. FFS, I am glad we didn't get him if that was the price though.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Fuck seattle, but I know he has been rumored for a long time to want to move on from the team and many team boards have talked about him. Cowboy fan have been screaming for the guy. FFS, I am glad we didn't get him if that was the price though.

Shhhh you'll make some of the sensitive 12s cry.

 

[flyerhawk]

OK you must be joking now?

Are you honestly trying to say those RBs as well as others not mentioned aren't/weren't game changers?

Is that really what you're trying to sell?

You listed players spanning a 60 year span. Today, in the modern NFL, running backs are not considered a premium position. Of course there exceptions. Much like safeties.