Christian McCaffery or Jerick McKinnon

[HaroldSeattle]

I think he'll get a lot of work in a good system. CMC has a major disadvantage with how Cam theives TDs, not to mention Anderson. And Olsen back. I think it's more that I'm not a CMC guy than pro JMK.

Good points, the competition for touches on running plays are in McKinnon favor. Same for touches/ targets in the redzone.

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Personally, I'm a fan of neither.
But I'd take McCaffrey over McKinnon.

McKinnon
Was part of an 7th ranked run-offense in Minny. Goes to a 21st ranked run-offense in SF.
Played on less than half the offensive snaps (46%).
An optimist will say he did more with less.
A pessimist will say Latavius wore down the defense so McKinnon could come in fresh an excel.

McCaffrey
Was targeted a whopping 113 times. No RB was targeted more. None.
Was part of a 4th ranked run-offense in Carolina.
CJ Anderson replaces JStew, but McCaffrey's role is unchanged.
Played on nearly 70% of the Panthers offense.
Has decent redzone looks (21%).
Saw the Panthers play the Bears last year. They used this kid tons. What scares me about him is they use this kid tons. It would not shock me if this kid ends up getting concussed they used him so much and he got pounded in the open field.

Hyde was targeted 88 times last year and did squat with those targets, McKinnon should excel in this system. Only the Saints threw more passes to RBs on early downs.

that system is made to make stud RB's, and they paid alot for mckinnon

Yup Shanahan saw a specific use for McKinnon so expect his usage to go way up. No competition with other RBs, not a one is a between the tackles type. McCaffery usage is now capped to what you saw last season.

Rather have McCaffrey. Already stated I won't own McKinnon because I just don't trust him. He was a backup for a reason. If he was so freaking good, Minnesota wouldn't have signed a free agent running back and then drafted a running back and played both of them ahead of him last year. Sorry I just keep seeing Toby Gerhart when I look at him. Minnesota third down back that signed a big free agent deal to be the man in Jacksonville. Got drafted in the 4th or 5th round in all fantasy drafts that year, and he was completely terrible.

I feel the same , as in show me and I'll believe it, but still everything is pointing up for McKinnon. No denying that.

 

[TREFF]

Rather have McCaffrey. Already stated I won't own McKinnon because I just don't trust him. He was a backup for a reason. If he was so freaking good, Minnesota wouldn't have signed a free agent running back and then drafted a running back and played both of them ahead of him last year. Sorry I just keep seeing Toby Gerhart when I look at him. Minnesota third down back that signed a big free agent deal to be the man in Jacksonville. Got drafted in the 4th or 5th round in all fantasy drafts that year, and he was completely terrible.

Toby Gerhert? I mean I won't try to change your opinion on the question, but Gerhert? he was about 30-40 lbs bigger, had zero quickness, and forget making guys miss, not to mention about half as fast.

 

[TKOSpikes]

CMC won't have 150 carries. And I expect less than the 80 grabs from last year with Olsen healthy and the new rookie WR.

 

[TREFF]

Being a dynasty, I would take McAffrey, if for no other reason, he's 4 years younger. But there's less of a question as to his role in the team. But he's always going to be light in the TD area.
I still love McKinnon with Shanny, I think its a perfect fit. Loving how all the knocks against him are all stemming from a system designed for Adrian Peterson. Some dudes just can't hack it in a straight power run game. Once he got some opportunities in a more creative system, he did just fine. The one problem is, there's still competition there, no guarantee he ends up the lead dawg. Could be Brieda, could be Joe Williams..hell could be McNichols...there might not even be a leader of the committee.

 

[Stomp]

Watch some of Mckinnions tape he doesn't make guys miss either he take what the D gives and no more. Mckinnion is good at running fast in a straight line and catching uncontested balls.

 

[TREFF]

Watch some of Mckinnions tape he doesn't make guys miss either he take what the D gives and no more. Mckinnion is good at running fast in a straight line and catching uncontested balls.

He may not be Dion Lewis, but he's better than Gerhert was.

Edited..to be clear, I'm talking only about making guys miss..Lewis is great at it, I still think he's a subpar overall RB outside of BB and McDaniels. He could excel with Shanny too..too bad he didn't go there

 

[Bandit]

Toby Gerhert? I mean I won't try to change your opinion on the question, but Gerhert? he was about 30-40 lbs bigger, had zero quickness, and forget making guys miss, not to mention about half as fast.

Well I would expect nothing less from the guy that traded McCaffrey for McKinnon in my league so that makes perfect sense. Yes they are completely different backs and Gerhart was a lot heavier, but the hype was exactly the same when he signed with Jacksonville in the off-season. Just ask Lefty, I think he drafted Gerhart in the 4th round of every league that year. I just think that guys are backups for a reason. I have a hard time believing that 31 other GM's that could have traded for him at any point in the last three years and the coaches on his own team all missed the fact that this guy would be a top 15 running back if he was the starter. Even with all of that hate though, if it wasn't dynasty and we were talking redraft I have McCaffery only slightly ahead of McKinnon.

 

[TREFF]

Well I would expect nothing less from the guy that traded McCaffrey for McKinnon in my league so that makes perfect sense. Yes they are completely different backs and Gerhart was a lot heavier, but the hype was exactly the same when he signed with Jacksonville in the off-season. Just ask Lefty, I think he drafted Gerhart in the 4th round of every league that year. I just think that guys are backups for a reason. I have a hard time believing that 31 other GM's that could have traded for him at any point in the last three years and the coaches on his own team all missed the fact that this guy would be a top 15 running back if he was the starter. Even with all of that hate though, if it wasn't dynasty and we were talking redraft I have McCaffery only slightly ahead of McKinnon.

McCafrey and a slot receiver for McKinnon and the 1.3...

 

[TREFF]

Well I would expect nothing less from the guy that traded McCaffrey for McKinnon in my league so that makes perfect sense. Yes they are completely different backs and Gerhart was a lot heavier, but the hype was exactly the same when he signed with Jacksonville in the off-season. Just ask Lefty, I think he drafted Gerhart in the 4th round of every league that year. I just think that guys are backups for a reason. I have a hard time believing that 31 other GM's that could have traded for him at any point in the last three years and the coaches on his own team all missed the fact that this guy would be a top 15 running back if he was the starter. Even with all of that hate though, if it wasn't dynasty and we were talking redraft I have McCaffery only slightly ahead of McKinnon.

Michael Turner was a backup..
Lynch was benched/replaced in Buffalo before becoming the Beast in Seattle
Priest Holmes was backup, practice squad, cut even.
Thomas Jones was a bust until finding a fit..
Sometimes they just need the right system..and yes, sometimes they're backups for a reason.

But the story I'll stick to, until proven wrong, he was a middling talent playing in a system designed for Peterson..now he's not, the past isn't exactly applicable

 

[The Foot]

@HaroldSeattle I am at the highest end of the spectrum for McKinnon. It was love at first sight what I seen what he did at the combine (similar freak numbers to barkleys).

I believe he will be the next bell, johnson, type guy. I am that high on him. Shanahan wanted him for a reason and paid the price.

On one drive in scrimmage they said garopalo targeted him 11 times.

Just my opinion but I think he could lead the league because he will be both Freeman and Coleman combined

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

I know there is a lot of upside to McKinnon in Shanny's offense, but I'm still just not sold on him. I have never been impressed with him at all and don't see why I should be now, even if he's in a system tailored to his strengths.

But you can count me in the "believe it when I see it" category for him.

Good comparison thread though. I give the edge the CMC.

 

[averagejoe]

that system is made to make stud RB's, and they paid alot for mckinnon

Hyde was targeted 88 times last year and did squat with those targets, McKinnon should excel in this system.

Sorry, but these thoughts contradict.
If the system is so great, we wouldn't be discussing McKinnon's potential.

Just have trouble liking either of them.
No way I'm using them as a piece in a dynasty league.
Sounds like your mind is made up.
Still hope it goes well for you.

 

[leftypower]

@HaroldSeattle I am at the highest end of the spectrum for McKinnon. It was love at first sight what I seen what he did at the combine (similar freak numbers to barkleys).
I believe he will be the next bell, johnson, type guy. I am that high on him. Shanahan wanted him for a reason and paid the price.
On one drive in scrimmage they said garopalo targeted him 11 times.
Just my opinion but I think he could lead the league because he will be both Freeman and Coleman combined

Well, Harold - for what it's worth - - The above endorsement should make you very afraid. .....

 

[SmokingMonkey]

McCafrey and a slot receiver for McKinnon and the 1.3...

I was gonna say, you got your value in that deal, but gave up a lot too

 

[TREFF]

I was gonna say, you got your value in that deal, but gave up a lot too

Was tough to pull the trigger. Was actually trying to deal the guy Brieda, Williams and/or McNichols in a much smaller deal

Yea, that kinda went another direction

 

[TREFF]

@HaroldSeattle I am at the highest end of the spectrum for McKinnon. It was love at first sight what I seen what he did at the combine (similar freak numbers to barkleys).

I believe he will be the next bell, johnson, type guy. I am that high on him. Shanahan wanted him for a reason and paid the price.

On one drive in scrimmage they said garopalo targeted him 11 times.

Just my opinion but I think he could lead the league because he will be both Freeman and Coleman combined

Obviously I'm high on McKinnon too, also obviously, I'm not THAT high on him though.

Just quick word of caution though old friend, if you honestly think another RB, or even two other RB's, won't be heavily involved, you haven't paid as much attention to Shanny's system as you probably should

 

[HaroldSeattle]

So most go with McCaffery, but t

Sorry, but these thoughts contradict.
If the system is so great, we wouldn't be discussing McKinnon's potential.

Just have trouble liking either of them.
No way I'm using them as a piece in a dynasty league.
Sounds like your mind is made up.
Still hope it goes well for you.

Guess I should of expanded those contradictory statements. Hyde was not a good fit for Shanny system, he's not a great pass catching, route running RB. Right from the beginning you got the feeling that the 49ers were going to find a RB that fit the system. Hyde was targeted 88 times ( fifth most) for a measly 350 yards and no TD. The next RB on the list had 87 targets for 788 yards and 6 TDs. So now that the 49ers went out and hand selected a RB they felt was good fit, probably a great fit in Shanny system I expect much better results.
Shanny has a track record for running a really good offense, already I'd say thee 49ers offense is leaps and bounds better then it was when he took the job.

I had to chuckle when you said it sounds like my mind is made up.
In truth I'm not a fan of either RB and I would go McCaffery if I had to choose right now. This comparison thread is me trying to be more open minded about players I don't favor. I always felt I was to closed minded when it came to players that I didn't really like. Players change, systems change, etc , I need to learn not to just scratch players off my board just because of my initial judgment of them was negative.

 

[femurov]

Rather have McCaffrey. Already stated I won't own McKinnon because I just don't trust him. He was a backup for a reason. If he was so freaking good, Minnesota wouldn't have signed a free agent running back and then drafted a running back and played both of them ahead of him last year. Sorry I just keep seeing Toby Gerhart when I look at him. Minnesota third down back that signed a big free agent deal to be the man in Jacksonville. Got drafted in the 4th or 5th round in all fantasy drafts that year, and he was completely terrible.

Oh, Lord. You just brought up a bad memory. Toby Gerhart... ugh.

 

[The Foot]

Well, Harold - for what it's worth - - The above endorsement should make you very afraid. .....

Agreed

 

[averagejoe]

So most go with McCaffery, but t


Guess I should of expanded those contradictory statements. Hyde was not a good fit for Shanny system, he's not a great pass catching, route running RB. Right from the beginning you got the feeling that the 49ers were going to find a RB that fit the system. Hyde was targeted 88 times ( fifth most) for a measly 350 yards and no TD. The next RB on the list had 87 targets for 788 yards and 6 TDs. So now that the 49ers went out and hand selected a RB they felt was good fit, probably a great fit in Shanny system I expect much better results.
Shanny has a track record for running a really good offense, already I'd say thee 49ers offense is leaps and bounds better then it was when he took the job.

I had to chuckle when you said it sounds like my mind is made up.
In truth I'm not a fan of either RB and I would go McCaffery if I had to choose right now. This comparison thread is me trying to be more open minded about players I don't favor. I always felt I was to closed minded when it came to players that I didn't really like. Players change, systems change, etc , I need to learn not to just scratch players off my board just because of my initial judgment of them was negative.

There's good discussion both ways.
I guess the problem I have most with McKinnon is he was in a run-first offense in Minny and only wrestled 1 start out of it from Latavius (which some are not high on either).
Yes, he did do well as a change-of-pace back. But maybe that's all he'll be good at. Its not his fault Niners threw all kinds of cash at him. How many backs get discovered after 3 years in the league? I'm sure it's a short list. I see the attraction.

I just think McCaffrey is a safer choice. Olsen hurt last year could be a factor, or it could also open up the field for him?