Phillies Re-Sign Carlos Ruiz: Three Years, $26 Million

[Cobiemonster]

Welcome back, Chooch!

 

[powerchord86]

 

[Caligula]

I fucking called that shit months ago with a 3/24 million prediction. Fuck you Ruben.

 

[Omar 382]

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[Omar 382]

Are you trying to say this is a good thing...

 

[Four4Four]

they should have let him walk. they really think with the same team that they're going compete and be something.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Who are you going to find though that is any better, without breaking the bank even more? Salty is not as good as Chooch, McCann will get too much money and the other catchers on the FA market are trash - Chooch is not the problem with this team, he's still great with the pitchers and he is a clutch hitter - I have no problem with this - and the Phillies will have more money to spend anyways with the new TV deal of their own so it shouldn't cripple this team

 

[Caligula]

Who are you going to find though that is any better, without breaking the bank even more? Salty is not as good as Chooch, McCann will get too much money and the other catchers on the FA market are trash - Chooch is not the problem with this team, he's still great with the pitchers and he is a clutch hitter - I have no problem with this - and the Phillies will have more money to spend anyways with the new TV deal of their own so it shouldn't cripple this team

The old "who would you get that's better" post.

Awful argument. Molina for league minimum until a better option appears. They were below .500 with Ruiz. They will be below .500 next year AND paying Ruiz nearly double what he earned this season. Shit signing. Shitty plan. Does not make the team better. It only limits their options even more and makes the team older for even longer.

 

[Caligula]

And there is a fourth year club option with a 500k buy out.

 

[powerchord86]

Are you trying to say this is a good thing...

Yes. Yes I am.

 

[Cobiemonster]

The old "who would you get that's better" post.

Awful argument. Molina for league minimum until a better option appears. They were below .500 with Ruiz. They will be below .500 next year AND paying Ruiz nearly double what he earned this season. Shit signing. Shitty plan. Does not make the team better. It only limits their options even more and makes the team older for even longer.

That wasn't Carlos Ruiz's fault - so by that theory, they should get rid of every player because they were under .500? Do you realize how fucking shitty the rotation was and the bullpen was? That's not a Carlos Ruiz problem, that is a lack of talent/inexperienced problem - Carlos Ruiz has been a good player for years, no different than he was 2 or 3 years ago when this team won 102 games - so now all of a sudden he's a problem just because they lost 89 games? Chooch was one of the best hitters on this team the last 2 months of the season - the contract is not perfect but at some point, all the bitching isn't going to get anybody anywhere - it is what it is at this point

 

[Caligula]

That wasn't Carlos Ruiz's fault - so by that theory, they should get rid of every player because they were under .500? Do you realize how fucking shitty the rotation was and the bullpen was? That's not a Carlos Ruiz problem, that is a lack of talent/inexperienced problem - Carlos Ruiz has been a good player for years, no different than he was 2 or 3 years ago when this team won 102 games - so now all of a sudden he's a problem just because they lost 89 games? Chooch was one of the best hitters on this team the last 2 months of the season - the contract is not perfect but at some point, all the bitching isn't going to get anybody anywhere - it is what it is at this point

You do not sign a 35 year old catcher, that will not make or break the season, to a multi-year contract. This shit isn't hard to understand. They have a bloated payroll and now Ruiz is part of that problem. They have NO flexibility. Having an infield filled with overpriced, middle aged, injury prone players is a shitty plan. They actively sought out this plan. Ruiz is part of the problem.

They should have signed a vet like Molina to a league minimum one year contract. But, no. They decided to take the retarded direction and fans defend it.

 

[Caligula]

Yes. Yes I am.

Here's an example of one of those ridiculous fans I was just mentioning.

 

[powerchord86]

Here's an example of one of those ridiculous fans I was just mentioning.

Ridiculous? Just because I know better than you?

 

[powerchord86]

Chooch is solid. Best of luck convincing me otherwise.

But in the end we're all entitled to our own opinion so just know that it's ok to be wrong.

 

[Cobiemonster]

You do not sign a 35 year old catcher, that will not make or break the season, to a multi-year contract. This shit isn't hard to understand. They have a bloated payroll and now Ruiz is part of that problem. They have NO flexibility. Having an infield filled with overpriced, middle aged, injury prone players is a shitty plan. They actively sought out this plan. Ruiz is part of the problem.

They should have signed a vet like Molina to a league minimum one year contract. But, no. They decided to take the retarded direction and fans defend it.

How do you know they have NO flexibility? That TV contract they're going to sign is an inevitability, they will have more money to spend and whether they spend it right or not is not the debate, it's the simple fact that as long as they have plenty of money, they will go after the biggest FA's/trade chips out there

I would give up my left nut if they could land David Price in a trade, even if meant them eventually having to pay a lot of money to him - a guy like Cliff Lee will be done in about two years, so that money will be off the books and the Phillies will have to find another ace - that's why I think a move for David Price would be smart now - it would help them now AND in the future

And what the hell is Jose Molina going to do to help this team? He is terrible - he's only good for defense and this team needs more bats, Carlos Ruiz is way better with the bat than Jose Molina

At least the Phillies haven't broke the bank and overpaid for a top free agent yet - if they signed Ellsbury to a 7 year deal worth 140+ million, your heads would explode, so be thankful that hasn't happened yet

 

[powerchord86]

You do not sign a 35 year old catcher, that will not make or break the season, to a multi-year contract. This shit isn't hard to understand. They have a bloated payroll and now Ruiz is part of that problem. They have NO flexibility. Having an infield filled with overpriced, middle aged, injury prone players is a shitty plan. They actively sought out this plan. Ruiz is part of the problem.

They should have signed a vet like Molina to a league minimum one year contract. But, no. They decided to take the retarded direction and fans defend it.

You seem to have this all backwards.

 

[Caligula]

How do you know they have NO flexibility? That TV contract they're going to sign is an inevitability, they will have more money to spend and whether they spend it right or not is not the debate, it's the simple fact that as long as they have plenty of money, they will go after the biggest FA's/trade chips out there

And you follow it up with "the upcoming TV contract means they will blow through the luxury tax" post. Good job, sharpie.

 

[Caligula]

You seem to have this all backwards.

concentrate on not being stupid.

 

[powerchord86]

concentrate on not being stupid.

Take it easy kid. :rollseyes: