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As bad as the sharks have been this past 2 weeks, there isn't need to panic just yet. they are 3 points (functionally) out of 5th place in the west. The sharks are struggling, but when pavs comes back, that will boost the offense and if dougie can get a dman, then the team will suddenly really resemble last year. Chicago last year was dominant and so fast, but vancouver doesnt scare me as much and neither do chicago or detroit this year. The west is winnable once your in the PO's. Obviously, they miss blake a ton, but there are chips to be dealt, and dougie has been shrewd before.

As frustrating as heater has been, I'd rather have him than michalek and a minor leaguer that cost the same.

And as annoying as it was that he overpaid carle, I'd still rather have boyle than carle, wishart (who is still working in the A), and Kyle Palmieri (who came from the 1st rounder in '09) in that deal... though palmieri looks like he might end up legit.

I surely would do the jumbo trade the same if given the chance.

Dougie has made several small errors in his tenure, but in the big name deals for top line players, he has managed to come out far ahead. Perhaps he has one more of those steals in store...
 

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Some optimism huh? Get outta here with that.

Seriously, the Sharks are still in playoff contention, but the laziness that we have seen in the past is back. Even if they turn it up, I am positive that the lazy play will be back. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

The last thing I want is for Doug to mortgage the future for targets that he has had his eye on for years in hope of the band aid fix. I'm done with giving away 1st round picks for rentals. No one player is going to change the lack of work ethic on this team.
 

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You are placing way to much importance on what Pavelski adds to the offense. He has been a complete nonfactor for most of the year. He's an upgrade over Ferriero/Mitchell/McGinn on a scoring line but not a difference maker and certainly isn't the answer to the Sharks scoring woes. He'll help, sure, but not even close to the extent you're projecting him to.

I'd take Michalek and the $3m in cap space in a heartbeat over Heatley. Not to mention Ehrhoff as well if infact Dougie felt he needed to deal him for more cap room because of bringing in Heatley.

Your definition of "small error" differs greatly from mine. Heatley was no small error, Ehrhoff was no small error, Wallin and Huskins were no small errors, Campbell was no small error. His continued waste of picks are no small error.
 

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You are placing way to much importance on what Pavelski adds to the offense. He has been a complete nonfactor for most of the year. He's an upgrade over Ferriero/Mitchell/McGinn on a scoring line but not a difference maker and certainly isn't the answer to the Sharks scoring woes. He'll help, sure, but not even close to the extent you're projecting him to.

I'd take Michalek and the $3m in cap space in a heartbeat over Heatley. Not to mention Ehrhoff as well if infact Dougie felt he needed to deal him for more cap room because of bringing in Heatley.

Your definition of "small error" differs greatly from mine. Heatley was no small error, Ehrhoff was no small error, Wallin and Huskins were no small errors, Campbell was no small error. His continued waste of picks are no small error.

Dude Schaffer SAVES!!! And Pavelski resurrects
 

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Heatley was the worst acquisition that DWil has ever made. The guy is a $7.5mil/year PP specialist with zero defensive acumen. Then you factor in pieces that were lost Michalek (not that big, the guy is injured and done as far as I'm concerned.....but the cap space lost hurts) and the really big "Error" (pun intended ;)) was giving up Ehrhoff for peanuts. That trade sent this team into it's current state.

I have no idea what anybody sees in Heatley for $7.5mil/year. I'd like the guy for $5mil/year, but after that, he's a downward slope.

Cmon, Wallin and Huskins were minor mistakes in my opinion due to there short contract length and not "huge" money. Unless you are saying that the mistakes were considering them a valid "replacement" to the pieces lost; then I would be more apt to agree with you.
 

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Heatley was the worst acquisition that DWil has ever made. The guy is a $7.5mil/year PP specialist with zero defensive acumen. Then you factor in pieces that were lost Michalek (not that big, the guy is injured and done as far as I'm concerned.....but the cap space lost hurts) and the really big "Error" (pun intended ;)) was giving up Ehrhoff for peanuts. That trade sent this team into it's current state.

I have no idea what anybody sees in Heatley for $7.5mil/year. I'd like the guy for $5mil/year, but after that, he's a downward slope.

Cmon, Wallin and Huskins were minor mistakes in my opinion due to there short contract length and not "huge" money. Unless you are saying that the mistakes were considering them a valid "replacement" to the pieces lost; then I would be more apt to agree with you.

The enormity of the Wallin and Huskins deals are not just limited to Dougies failure in viewing them as compitent replacements for lost pieces. They also prevented Wilson from making moves that could truely help the team instead of just adding band-aids. This applies to Wallin more so than Huskins.

EDIT:

Wilson traded a 2nd rounder for Wallin. A 2nd rounder for a player who passed through waivers just a month prior.

Huskins cost the team two later round picks and Nick Bonino one of the Sharks best forward prospects at the time.
 
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The enormity of the Wallin and Huskins deals are not just limited to Dougies failure in viewing them as compitent replacements for lost pieces. They also prevented Wilson from making moves that could truely help the team instead of just adding band-aids. This applies to Wallin more so than Huskins.

EDIT:

Wilson traded a 2nd rounder for Wallin. A 2nd rounder for a player who passed through waivers just a month prior.

Huskins cost the team two later round picks and Nick Bonino one of the Sharks best forward prospects at the time.

Gotcha, I thought you were limiting the scope to the actual signings, not the trades. I don't know why I thought that though. I'll change my answer then to Wallin being a big mistake and Huskins still being a "meh" one.
 

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Gotcha, I thought you were limiting the scope to the actual signings, not the trades. I don't know why I thought that though. I'll change my answer then to Wallin being a big mistake and Huskins still being a "meh" one.

if we have to blame him for the pick trades, then we have to credit him for turning a back up goalie in toskala into Couture.

The ehrhoff deal was obviously bad, but at the same time, he wasnt great in the PO's and vancouver hasnt exactly gone anywhere with him either.

Huskins isn't that bad. He's not worth 1.7, but for 1 or 1.2, it's acceptable. he's half million overpaid.

resigning Wallin was undefendable, but its only 1 yr.

Heater is not that bad. I dont really get why everyone is so low on him. He was injured last PO's, but in his first year in SJ, the sharks went to the conference finals for only their 2nd ever time and he has done something that none of the sharks forwards have done: played for the Cup. He's not great defensively, but you know, the guy is a sniper, and he does still lead the team in scoring. I would definitely rather have heater than michalek and 3M in space. Michalek is a so-so 2nd liner at best, and totally injury prone.
 

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if we have to blame him for the pick trades, then we have to credit him for turning a back up goalie in toskala into Couture.

The ehrhoff deal was obviously bad, but at the same time, he wasnt great in the PO's and vancouver hasnt exactly gone anywhere with him either.

Huskins isn't that bad. He's not worth 1.7, but for 1 or 1.2, it's acceptable. he's half million overpaid.

resigning Wallin was undefendable, but its only 1 yr.

Heater is not that bad. I dont really get why everyone is so low on him. He was injured last PO's, but in his first year in SJ, the sharks went to the conference finals for only their 2nd ever time and he has done something that none of the sharks forwards have done: played for the Cup. He's not great defensively, but you know, the guy is a sniper, and he does still lead the team in scoring. I would definitely rather have heater than michalek and 3M in space. Michalek is a so-so 2nd liner at best, and totally injury prone.

You stated that he's made small errors. I'm pointing out that he's made numerous errors that shouldn't be considered small. Yes, he's done several good things like moving Toskala and Bell and aquiring Thornton while giving up minimal in return but that isn't the point to the discussion you started.

Heatley is a one dimentional player who plays a slow game and is completely dependent on others to make his game work. Michalek was the prototypical 2-way forward. His speed opened up the game for his teammates and he didn't have to score to bring something to the table. He was versitile and effective at everything he did on the ice. He's become injury prone since going to Ottawa but would those injuries have occured if he stayed in San Jose. No one can say. He had missed 13 total games in the prior four season with San Jose, I have a hard time calling that injury prone. The aquisition of Heatley was the beginning of the end for this team.
 

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if we have to blame him for the pick trades, then we have to credit him for turning a back up goalie in toskala into Couture.

The ehrhoff deal was obviously bad, but at the same time, he wasnt great in the PO's and vancouver hasnt exactly gone anywhere with him either.

Huskins isn't that bad. He's not worth 1.7, but for 1 or 1.2, it's acceptable. he's half million overpaid.

resigning Wallin was undefendable, but its only 1 yr.

Heater is not that bad. I dont really get why everyone is so low on him. He was injured last PO's, but in his first year in SJ, the sharks went to the conference finals for only their 2nd ever time and he has done something that none of the sharks forwards have done: played for the Cup. He's not great defensively, but you know, the guy is a sniper, and he does still lead the team in scoring. I would definitely rather have heater than michalek and 3M in space. Michalek is a so-so 2nd liner at best, and totally injury prone.


For sure, that's why I'm not as big of critic on DWil as most here are on this board. That said, unless he's got some magic up his sleeves, I think he's past his expiration date after this season.

He's been Vancouver's best defenseman a lot of last season and pretty much all of this season. You attribute to much blame on individual players (and in turn heap too much success on individual players for a teams successes) for a teams lack of success in my humble opinion. Roberto Luongo completely folded up shop against Chicago last year and Kevin Bieksa gift wrapped at least 3 goals in the Chicago series.

I agree on Huskins to a point.....he's only overpaid by about $700k and it's not that bad. The players we got rid of (Peilmeir and Bonino) have yet to have any lasting effect in the NHL. I just with DWil would have used the money to sign Moen, not Huskeypants.

I agree on Wallin too, but the 2nd rounder he gave up (that I wasn't thinking about before) for a guy who was a 5th defenseman on a cup winning team and then the horrid resign was too much.

I'm low on Heatley because I watch him play. He rode the coattails of Daniel Alfredsson and completely folded once the Ducks played the body on him. Seriously, go back and watch some of those series in Ottawa's run. He was absolutely terrible in last years playoffs yet you want to attribute Dany as a reason that the Sharks made "only their second ever WCF's"??? I can at least understand you saying the Ottawa run, but last year he was less than invisible and actually hurt the Sharks by playing injured. You are right in that Michalek's career has completely come off of the rails. The poor guy is now an injury prone 3rd line LW'er with a hefty paycheck.
 

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As bad as the sharks have been this past 2 weeks, there isn't need to panic just yet. they are 3 points (functionally) out of 5th place in the west. The sharks are struggling, but when pavs comes back, that will boost the offense and if dougie can get a dman, then the team will suddenly really resemble last year. Chicago last year was dominant and so fast, but vancouver doesnt scare me as much and neither do chicago or detroit this year. The west is winnable once your in the PO's. Obviously, they miss blake a ton, but there are chips to be dealt, and dougie has been shrewd before.

As frustrating as heater has been, I'd rather have him than michalek and a minor leaguer that cost the same.

And as annoying as it was that he overpaid carle, I'd still rather have boyle than carle, wishart (who is still working in the A), and Kyle Palmieri (who came from the 1st rounder in '09) in that deal... though palmieri looks like he might end up legit.

I surely would do the jumbo trade the same if given the chance.

Dougie has made several small errors in his tenure, but in the big name deals for top line players, he has managed to come out far ahead. Perhaps he has one more of those steals in store...

Wish I shared your optimism, as I would probably enjoy watching the games more. Unfortunatly, I pretty much disagree with every thing about this post.. Hope is good, but in my opinion, it will require a pretty major shake up to get this team headed in the right direction, and 'major shake up' doesn't mean only adding a Dman. It will take a lot more then that to right this ship.
 
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Heatley the worst? No way, Wallin is the worst. At least Heatley does get assists and is not last on the team. Though I'm severely dissapointed in Heatley especially this season. The D men don't even know what it means to get goals and assists and Wallin the worst on the team is playing like a noob that just got nhl 11 on xbox.

It is almost comical watching Wallin last night, goes in the box, gets scored on comes out, called for offsides, turns the puck over in his own end and we get scored on. I've never seen a defensemen play that bad in such a short time on the ice.

This team needs a straight make over, trade setoguchi, trade mitchell, let Wallin walk because no one will want him, send these poop slow d men down and just call up the AHL guys because it wouldn't make much of a difference or just trade and get a top d man with some speed.

The problem with the Sharks and how Doug Wilson screwed this team over is quite obvious. A couple years back we had one of the fastest teams in the league but lost due to not having enough grit. Well instead of balancing it out he kept aqquiring players with grit and not enough speed and well here we are. And in the new generation of NHL players are faster, defense men are faster and that is exactly why Thornton and Heatley are in effective with scoring chances these days. Thornton used to have all the time in the world to pass now he's got red hot quick defensemen poke checking him endlessly. Makes sense doesn't it when we have one of the slowest teams in the league.
 

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Heatley the worst? No way, Wallin is the worst. At least Heatley does get assists and is not last on the team. Though I'm severely dissapointed in Heatley especially this season. The D men don't even know what it means to get goals and assists and Wallin the worst on the team is playing like a noob that just got nhl 11 on xbox.

It is almost comical watching Wallin last night, goes in the box, gets scored on comes out, called for offsides, turns the puck over in his own end and we get scored on. I've never seen a defensemen play that bad in such a short time on the ice.

This team needs a straight make over, trade setoguchi, trade mitchell, let Wallin walk because no one will want him, send these poop slow d men down and just call up the AHL guys because it wouldn't make much of a difference or just trade and get a top d man with some speed.

The problem with the Sharks and how Doug Wilson screwed this team over is quite obvious. A couple years back we had one of the fastest teams in the league but lost due to not having enough grit. Well instead of balancing it out he kept aqquiring players with grit and not enough speed and well here we are. And in the new generation of NHL players are faster, defense men are faster and that is exactly why Thornton and Heatley are in effective with scoring chances these days. Thornton used to have all the time in the world to pass now he's got red hot quick defensemen poke checking him endlessly. Makes sense doesn't it when we have one of the slowest teams in the league.

one of jumbo's biggest problems is that he is not looking to the points nearly as much as last year or the last few years. He has far fewer options when he thinks about either forcing one in front or sending it back to huskins or wallin on the point... which would you do? its a lose lose for him.

one Dman can be the difference since he can play nearly half a game. That's a lot less ice for wallin and huskins. if the sharks had two boyles, then it would be a completely different squad... we'll see....
 

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Back to the point of the thread...no need to panic yet. So, maybe it's not panic time, but is time to realize this team, even if it were to get into the PO's, would not go very far, if even out of the 1st round. It's time to blow-up the gutless core of this current team & get back on track. Say bye-bye now to: 2 of the Big 3 (probably keep Jimbo), either Seto or Pavs, Wallin & Huskins can walk now & take the goalies with them. I do not want to shell out big bucks to watch this crap in the PO's. Rares, you're starting to make sense.
 

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Haha... awww! Thanks, I guess...

Eh, what can you do... just hang in there like we have been.

Thing will happen eventually, hopefully. I just don't want to sound like a broken record (again), so have been keeping the bitching to a minimum.
 

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To bad DSwindle fucked up his cap space with his retarded signings, maybe a trade for Bryan McCabe could've happened lol
 
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