Lions get the 16th pick

[Stomp]

Andrew mutherfucking Suh V2 Billings

Just watched his game tape from Oklahoma(2015), West Virginia(2015), and Kansas State(2015) he looked fantastic constantly shedding his blocker/blockers, collapsing the pocket, and pursuing

Also watched some Sheldon Rankins tape not nearly as impressed once he gets locked up he can't shed blockers he has no pass rush moves(he really needs a spin move) and doesn't use his hands aside from grabbing. Maybe if he's there in the 2nd round he does have a very good motor and is fast with some coaching who knows.

 

[Stomp]

can't see him lasting anywhere near that long but if he did, it would be a complete steal.

Yeah he was just there in a mock i did yesterday. It seems like one of Spence, Dodd, and Ogbah usually fall to our 2nd rounder

 

[Stomp]

Last mock 3 rounds no trades plus lions later round picks

Round 1

Rams Carson Wentz
Eagles Jared Goff
Chargers Laremy Tunsil
Cowboys Jalen Ramsey
Jaguars Myles Jack
Ravens Jack Conklin
49ers Ronnie Stanley
Browns Paxton Lynch
Buccaneers Joey Bosa
Giants Vernon Hargreaves
Bears Ezekiel Elliott
Saints DeForest Buckner
Dolphins Darron Lee
Raiders Andrew Billings
Titans Taylor Decker
Lions Jason Spriggs
Falcons Leonard Floyd
Colts Mackensie Alexander
Bills Shaq Lawson
Jets Reggie Ragland
Redskins Sheldon Rankins
Texans Josh Doctson
Vikings Laquon Treadwell
Bengals Noah Spence
Steelers William Jackson
Seahawks A'Shawn Robinson
Packers Jarran Reed
Chiefs Kevin Dodd
Cardinals Germain Ifedi
Panthers Artie Burns
Broncos Robert Nkemdiche

Round 2

Browns Will Fuller
Titans Eli Apple
Cowboys Derrick Henry
Chargers Corey Coleman
Ravens Emmanuel Ogbah
49ers Connor Cook
Jaguars Ryan Kelly
Buccaneers Kendall fuller
Giants Shon Coleman
Bears Kenny Clark
Dolphins Rashard Robinson
Titans Vernon Butler
Raiders Devontae Booker
Titans Cody Whitehair
Lions Su'a Cravens
Saints Shilique Calhoun
Colts Nick Martin
Bills Karl Joseph
Falcons Hunter Henry
Jets Joshua Garnett
Texans Austin Johnson
Redskins Michael Thomas
Vikings Deion Jones
Bengals Tyler Boyd
Seahawks Le'Raven Clark
Packers Jaylon Smith
Steelers Keanu Neal
Chiefs Christian Westerman
Patriots Vonn Bell
Patriots Sterling Shepard
Panthers Jordan Howard
Broncos Christian Hackenberg

Round 3

Titans CJ Prosise
Browns Chris Jones
Chargers Kamalei Correa
Cowboys Hassan Ridgeway
49ers Braxton miller
Jaguars Miles Killebrew
Ravens DJ White
Giants Leonte Carroo
Dolphins Connor McGovern
Buccaneers Jalen Mills
Raiders Willie Henry
Titans Jatavis Brown
Browns Jonathan Bullard
Saints Kyler Fackrell
Eagles Will Redmond
Bills Jordan Jenkins
Falcons Kentrell Brothers
Colts Scooby Wright
Jets Cardale Jones
Redskins Evan Boehm
Texans Austin Hooper
Vikings Jeremy Cash
Bengals Adolphus Washington
Packers Kenneth Dixon
Steelers Sheldon Day
Seahawks Max Tuerk
Chiefs Xavien Howard
Patriots Gerald Hawkins
Cardinals TJ Green
Panthers Carl Nassib
Broncos Joe Dahl
Lions Maliek Collins
Patriots Alex Collins
Seahawks Nick Vannett
Broncos Justin Simmons

111 Bronson Kaufusi DE
151 Jack Allen C
169 Joe Haeg OT
191 Tajae Sharpe WR
202 Devon Johnson RB
210 Tyvis Powell FS
236 Steve Longa MLB

 

[Old Lion]

Just watched his game tape from Oklahoma(2015), West Virginia(2015), and Kansas State(2015) he looked fantastic constantly shedding his blocker/blockers, collapsing the pocket, and pursuing

Also watched some Sheldon Rankins tape not nearly as impressed once he gets locked up he can't shed blockers he has no pass rush moves(he really needs a spin move) and doesn't use his hands aside from grabbing. Maybe if he's there in the 2nd round he does have a very good motor and is fast with some coaching who knows.

My assessment as well. Still there are so many DTs in the draft it might be wiser to wait till day 2.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Javon Hargrave > Sheldon Rankins.

you more than likely can get him, Hargrave, in 3rd round. maybe not at comp pick.

 

[Stomp]

Javon Hargrave

Love small 3 techs watched his highlights he has a nice fist step, a really nice swim move, and excellent vision. Wish Javon Hargrave | Draft Breakdown had some more game tape against better competition . I'd bet theres a good chance he makes it to our comp pick smaller defensive tackles never get the respect they deserve

New dream scenario
OT
BSFP
Javon or 1 of the NT
Maliek(still really want this guy i think if he stayed in school another year he would be a top 15 pick especially in next years weaker DT class)

 

[Stomp]

My assessment as well. Still there are so many DTs in the draft it might be wiser to wait till day 2.

Yeah really need an offensive tackle if Reiff leaves and we don't have some guys ready to step in we're screwed.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Maliek(still really want this guy i think if he stayed in school another year he would be a top 15 pick especially in next years weaker DT class)

tbh, I can't blame the kid wanting to get out of that mess now. I like Mike Riley but there had to have been something within the defense coaching/position staff for Maliek to leave.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

if Reiff leaves

pretty much what I'm guessing. He'll get offered big $$$ in FA next year from some team with huge cap space to play LT for them.

the only positive on the possibility of Reiff leaving is that whichever round his predecessor is drafted, you'll be saving at least 7.5M in 2017.

 

[Rollingthndr]

I'm not sold on the Spriggs kid. Not at #16.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

It's not a very good OT class, imo.

Auburns OT, Shon Coleman, has the physical traits but I don't care for the kids coming from zone/spread teams. He is a nasty run blocker but you can see he needs technique work in pass pro. He'd be a little bit of a reach in 2nd round, imo.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Love small 3 techs watched his highlights he has a nice fist step, a really nice swim move, and excellent vision. Wish Javon Hargrave | Draft Breakdown had some more game tape against better competition . I'd bet theres a good chance he makes it to our comp pick smaller defensive tackles never get the respect they deserve

New dream scenario
OT
BSFP
Javon or 1 of the NT
Maliek(still really want this guy i think if he stayed in school another year he would be a top 15 pick especially in next years weaker DT class)

nice breakdown on other thread. totally agree he isn't a true 2-gapper. He played a good bit of it, 0/1 at Southy Caro ST but he's more in line at 3-tech with some abilities at times on certain match-ups to be a 2-tech or shaded under 2-tech (although limited snaps, imo, on 2-tech). He's eerily similar to Rankins in explosion off the snap but he'll get stalled and fail to shed just like him at times too. I just see Hargrave being as good or better value in 3rd round over Rankins in 1st round.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

@Stomp , here's a sleeper late pick DT. He might go anywhere in 6th rd. It's another small school talent from FCS Big South Conference.

You can see his explosive burst off the snap and speed to power conversion. He'll literally walk back OL or power to the side (lesser competition). He has the ability to maul and shed, good change of direction, eye discipline to read/diagnose plays quickly. He's very good at run stuff. He has a solid arm-over, club/rip and bull-rush. He finishes plays right to the whistle (sometimes beyond as he's a little late hitting QB). He does have a tendency to come off a little upright at times. You'll see him at 1, 2 and 3-tech. He's more inclined to be a 3-tech.

Washington Redskins 2016 Draft Profiles: Greg Milhouse Jr., DT

Campbell DT Greg Milhouse visits Lions, Giants – National Football Post

NFL Draft Board: Get to know the top 50 prospects from non-FBS schools
11. Greg Milhouse, DT, Campbell (6-2, 309, 4.91)
An Appalachian State transfer, Milhouse has cat-like quickness and uses his initial momentum to get blockers moving in reverse.

 

[Old Lion]

OK, So here is my draft:

16 DE Lawson, Clem
46 CB Fuller, VT
95 DT Hargrave, SC st
111 OT Beavers, WMI
151 OLB Kwiatkowski, WV
169 QB Prescott, MS st
191 OLB Campbell, MN
202 OT Haeg, ND st.
210 WR Moore, Cin or WR Core, MS
236 OC Blythe, IA

Feel free to comment

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

OK, So here is my draft:

16 DE Lawson, Clem
46 CB Fuller, VT
95 DT Hargrave, SC st
111 OT Beavers, WMI
151 OLB Kwiatkowski, WV
169 QB Prescott, MS st
191 OLB Campbell, MN
202 OT Haeg, ND st.
210 WR Moore, Cin or WR Core, MS
236 OC Blythe, IA

Feel free to comment

WTF is all that crap. you got to be kidding me. that entire draft sucks balz. all of those players are nothing more than projects except that Bronco dude. sheesh.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

nice work there Old Man. I think Kwiatkoski can surprise..

You got eventual starters, next year, in Lawson, Fuller, Hargrave. They'd at least be rotational guys for this year which would be huge, imo. I like how Prescott improved his footwork and eyes with reads this past year. He has showed some promise. Haeg could surprise given proper coaching.

I got nothing to bitch about that draft.

well, I could bitch, but I'm saving my energy cuz this dirt bread doesn't give me any.

 

[Stomp]

OK, So here is my draft:

16 DE Lawson, Clem
46 CB Fuller, VT
95 DT Hargrave, SC st
111 OT Beavers, WMI
151 OLB Kwiatkowski, WV
169 QB Prescott, MS st
191 OLB Campbell, MN
202 OT Haeg, ND st.
210 WR Moore, Cin or WR Core, MS
236 OC Blythe, IA

Feel free to comment

Nice Job nothing to unrealistic there If we take a QB later what do you think about the kid Adams from Oregon he looked pretty decent on Game Changers(i think it was game changers anyways?) i think he's getting pushed down draft boards because he's short 5'10" I supose he'll have to get by Chip a few times though

 

[Stomp]

Heres a good pre combine hype article on Spriggs

A Prospect To Get Familiar With: Indiana OT Jason Spriggs | Draft Breakdown

 

[Stomp]

"Detroit Lions: Kelly is the top want from new general manager Bob Quinn, according to scouts who have worked with him in the past. Don't rule out a left tackle if Taylor Decker falls to pick No. 16. A coach I spoke to in Detroit said Riley Reiff isn't expected to return after his contract runs out next season."

 

[Old Lion]

Nice Job nothing to unrealistic there If we take a QB later what do you think about the kid Adams from Oregon he looked pretty decent on Game Changers(i think it was game changers anyways?) i think he's getting pushed down draft boards because he's short 5'10" I supose he'll have to get by Chip a few times though

Thanks.

Not a fan of Adams. He is a poor mans Prescott. I am not even that confident in Prescott TBH. I am just willing to roll the dice on him at that point.