2014 NFL Combine

[Ray_Dogg]

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris 1m

Bradley Roby second "unofficial" forty: 4.41. 10 yd of 1.50
Marcus Roberson second "unofficial" forty: 4.59. 10 yd of 1.56

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Roberson gets decent 10 yard but the 40 drops off big time.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Watkins just ran an unofficial 4.44 on his second forty.

Dude is making some bank today.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris 2m

Jason Verrett second "unofficial" forty: 4.41. 10 yd of 1.47


Very consistent ha

 

[ChrisPozz]

2nd group of DBs are done. They have Stanley Jean-Baptiste's 1st 40 time on NFL.com as 4.43. It wasn't 4.43. It was 4.53. His 2nd time was 4.58. Make note of that if you're going to use NFL.com until they put their official numbers on there. Here are all of the UNOFFICIALS for now:

NFL Network Unofficial DB 40 times - 1st run (1st 10 time), 2nd run (2nd 10 time)

Maurice Alexander - 4.44 (1.52), 4.57 (Not shown)
Ricardo Allen - 4.53 (1.60), 4.53 (Not shown)
Dion Bailey - 4.69 (Not shown), 4.68 (Not shown)
Deion Belue - DNR
Bene Benwikere - 4.63 (1.62), 4.60 (Not shown)
Nate Berhe - 4.59 (Not shown), 4.70 (Not shown)
Tre Boston - 4.62 (Not shown), 4.53 (Not shown)
Bashaud Breeland - 4.59 (1.61), 4.53 (Not shown)
Terrence Brooks - 4.41 (1.50), 4.43 (Not shown)
Deone Bucannon - 4.50 (1.56), 4.50 (Not shown)
Travis Carrie - DNR
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix - 4.52 (1.56), 4.50 (Not shown)
Ross Cockrell - 4.43 (1.59), 4.50 (Not shown)
Aaron Colvin - DNR
Chris Davis - DNR
Darqueze Dennard - 4.42 (1.60), 4.46 (Not shown)
Pierre Desir - 4.52 (Not shown), 4.53 (Not shown)
Ahmad Dixon - 4.56 (Not shown), 4.54 (Not shown)
Brandon Dixon - 4.41 (Not shown), 4.41 (Not shown)
Jonathan Dowling - 4.50 (Not shown), 4.50 (Not shown)
Antone Exum - 4.51 (Not shown), 4.50 (Not shown)
Kyle Fuller - 4.40 (Not shown), 4.40 (Not shown)
E.J. Gaines - DNR
Phillip Gaines - 4.34 (Not shown), 4.34 (Not shown)
Justin Gilbert - 4.35 (Not shown), (Kicked his own calf during 1st run), 4.38 (Not shown)
Demetri Goodson - 4.44 (Not shown), 4.48 (Not shown)
Andre Hal - 4.40 (Not shown), 4.50 (Not shown)
Victor Hampton - 4.62 (Not shown), 4.50 (Not shown)
Marqueston Huff - 4.47 (Not shown), 4.47 (Not shown)
Bennett Jackson - 4.46 (Not shown), 4.47 (Not shown)

Kendall James - 4.42 (1.53), 4.41 (Not shown)
Stanley Jean-Baptiste - 4.53 (1.55), 4.58 (1.60)
Dontae Johnson - 4.45 (1.56), 4.43 (1.53)
Lamarcus Joyner - 4.53 (1.50), 4.52 (1.56)
Kenny Ladler - 4.75 (1.63), 4.72 (1.56)
Nevin Lawson - 4.52 (1.59), 4.53 (Not shown)
Isaiah Lewis - 4.56 (1.63), 4.57 (Not shown)
Craig Loston - 4.62 (1.50), 4.59 (1.56)
Dexter McDougle - DNR
Keith McGill - 4.47 (1.60), 4.44 (1.63)
Terrance Mitchell - 4.60 (1.53), 4.61 (Not shown)
Jabari Price - 4.49 (Not shown), 4.47 (1.57)
Calvin Pryor - 4.62 (1.59), 4.60 (1.59)
Loucheiz Purifoy - 4.55 (1.58), 4.56 (Not shown)
Keith Reaser - DNR
Ed Reynolds - 4.64 (1.57), 4.59 (Not shown)
Rashaad Reynolds - 4.57 (1.56), 4.55 (1.50)
Marcus Roberson - 4.66 (1.56), 4.59 (Not shown)
Bradley Roby - 4.40 (1.47), 4.41 (1.50)
Daniel Sorensen - 4.72 (1.59), 4.69 (1.60)
Dezmen Southward - DNR
Vinnie Sunseri - DNR
Jemea Thomas - 4.52 (1.57), 4.55 (1.53)
Brock Vereen - 4.42 (1.57), 4.43 (1.50)
Jason Verrett - 4.41 (1.50), 4.41 (1.47)
Jimmie Ward - DNR
Todd Washington - DNR
Jaylen Watkins - 4.50 (1.50), 4.44 (1.50)
Lavelle Westbrooks - 4.65 (1.68), 4.66 (1.63)

 

[sjballer03]

Man, now we gotta pay attention to what cleats they wear too?!

 

[ChrisPozz]

Which of those two numbers do you find to be the more important ChrisPozz? To me the 10 yard split means so much more since the game is played so much in that 10 yard area and having that explosion in that short area can make up for getting caught out of position.

Depends on the prospect and what you're looking for. I can tell a story using either number including if I feel like his run or runs wasn't/weren't a good representation of who that player is based on something I saw during his run (technique, mistakes, etc.).

Ideally I'd get both numbers because they both tell a story and those stories should be linked together. Honestly, I'd like to see a 10-time, a 20-time, AND a 40 time but usually I don't like how players finish their runs because they often begin to de-accelerate and then I don't like how much stock a fan puts into that 40 time because of how the finish a lot of these players have. So I might knock the 40 for that reason.

Again, every number I look at is a puzzle piece to me. Not every number means the same thing for every player. I don't put the same value with a 40 time or a shuttle time with all players. And I absolutely NEED to see how a player looked to get to that number because often there'll be a misstep or something that went into that number.

If you could guarantee me that all of these players looked SMOOTH throughout every test and then it was just a matter of getting a number and telling a speed/quickness story then it would be so much easier. Then a 4.40 would be the same as all other 4.40s across the board. Not all of them are the same. You have to look at a player performing and figure out why it might not have been smooth or why it looked the way it did with the number attached to it. Sometimes it's not always because that player is fast or slow, smooth, or not smooth.

I probably gave you way more than you were bargaining for there but hopefully that answered your question.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB 2m

Four fastest official DB 40 times (all sub-4.0):
Justin Gilbert 4.37
Philip Gaines 4.37
Jason Verrett 4.38
Bradley Roby 4.39

 

[cdumler7]

You did and I appreciate it. I agree too much is put into that final number on the forty. When I am hearing the announcers say that a player knocking 5 1/100's of a second off their forty can be the difference between which round they are drafted in that tells me teams are way too focused on that final number. I look at the top 2 safeties in this draft with Ha-Ha and Pryor. They are very different players and what they bring to the field. So to me trying to decide which one is better by a 40 number is just ridiculous.


I guess for me I do put a little more into the 10 yard split than the final 40 time if there is a number I am focused on. To me especially with defensive backs that first step is the most important and helps in determining how well a corner will do on a certain play. Slower top end corners can still thrive if they do well with that first step and putting themselves in position. Yes I like the ability for a corner to recover if possible but I would rather have a corner with a good fast first step that can be in position from step one. Now given fast first step is only a small piece of the puzzle as game tape should show whether that fast first step is actually going in the right direction to make a play.

 

[Yadahell]

CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB 2m

Four fastest official DB 40 times (all sub-4.0):
Justin Gilbert 4.37
Philip Gaines 4.37
Jason Verrett 4.38
Bradley Roby 4.39

No surprise on Gilbert- dude can fly. I'm slightly surprised on Verrett and Roby- thought they were fast, but not quite that fast.

 

[cdumler7]

No surprise on Gilbert- dude can fly. I'm slightly surprised on Verrett and Roby- thought they were fast, but not quite that fast.

Verrett to me is the surprise of the group. Roby was expected to possibly be a 4.3 kind of guy. His speed is a big reason he is even considered a 1st round pick. His game tape to me shows a 3rd round guy. Teams though fall in love with that athleticism and think they can coach them up to get to that level of a 1st round prospect. Verrett though definitely increased his draft stock or at least confirmed what was on tape of a very good corner with great athleticism. A couple of inches taller and he is a top 10 pick.

 

[NinerSickness]

EJ Gaines isn't running.

Maybe Niners get him in the 4th?

 

[EKmane]

I noticed Dennard ran a low 4.4. That should pretty much lock him up as the top cb

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Verrett to me is the surprise of the group. Roby was expected to possibly be a 4.3 kind of guy. His speed is a big reason he is even considered a 1st round pick. His game tape to me shows a 3rd round guy. Teams though fall in love with that athleticism and think they can coach them up to get to that level of a 1st round prospect. Verrett though definitely increased his draft stock or at least confirmed what was on tape of a very good corner with great athleticism. A couple of inches taller and he is a top 10 pick.

I thought the only knock of Verrett was size. I was never concerned with his speed.

 

[cdumler7]

I thought the only knock of Verrett was size. I was never concerned with his speed.

I think the question was did he have enough speed to make up for his lack of size. I think people expected him to run fast but he was one that needed to have a great time to still be considered a 1st round pick. Say he ran a 4.5 forty instead of the 4.4 forty that he did. That would cause some teams to pause a bit on him wondering if his skills were good enough against college receivers but against the bigger faster receivers in the NFL could he still keep up.

I guess to me he ran what I expected but he had a lot of pressure on him for the forty in my opinion. There were just some guys that had more pressure to run a fast forty like Verrett because of his size, Dennard because it was his biggest question mark, and Roby because his speed is one of the few reasons he is even considered a 1st round guy.

 

[EKmane]

Verrett is a local kid, Fairfield, Ca
Deone Bucanon from the same town

 

[NinerSickness]

Verrett's coverage skills are better than anyone else in the draft IMO. He's like a shadow. It would make a ton of sense to start him in SF this year at one of the CB spots since the team is already good & needs great play right away (like last year with my guy Reid).

 

[Ray_Dogg]

So Adidas gave Brandin Cooks the $100K for running the fastest forty in their shoes. Dri Archer must have been running in some Nikes.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Maybe Niners get him in the 4th?

Gaines is short with short arms. It's possible, but I don't see Baalke as particularly likely to go after him. Though we do need a slot corner (no idea if Gaines is a fit).

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Verrett's coverage skills are better than anyone else in the draft IMO. He's like a shadow. It would make a ton of sense to start him in SF this year at one of the CB spots since the team is already good & needs great play right away (like last year with my guy Reid).

And he can play the slot, right? I'm very interested to see how this draft shakes out, but I'm leaning toward CB with our first pick. Especially if we see a run on WRs.