Series Thread: Rangers Royally receive Kansas City for four 7/28-7/31

[donaldson79]

Because he veto'ed the CLE trade because he didn't want them to pick up his option year since he will be leaving so much money on the table. He wants a new deal at market value, understandably.

Part of the reason he wanted this was due to their commitment to another catcher as their starter for next season. If they picked up the option, not only would he be playing below market value, his value as a FA in 2017 would plummet. This makes perfect sense to me, and I call it logical/practical for him to have made this decision.

 

[jta4437]

JD is probably looking at him as a DH replacement for Prince

Offensively we really have an opening at catcher once Choo is back, acquiring Beltran once again creates inflexibility in the lineup by acquiring a player that really only plays one position

 

[fordman84]

He said it was because Cleveland would be asking him to play 1b/dh a lot.

I hadn't heard taht. I heard him say it was because he wanted assurances they wouldn't pick up the option.

 

[fordman84]

Part of the reason he wanted this was due to their commitment to another catcher as their starter for next season. If they picked up the option, not only would he be playing below market value, his value as a FA in 2017 would plummet. This makes perfect sense to me, and I call it logical/practical for him to have made this decision.

I didn't say it wasn't logical. I said he would be disgruntled if we picked it up if he obviously doesn't want it picked up.

 

[jta4437]

I hadn't heard taht. I heard him say it was because he wanted assurances they wouldn't pick up the option.

I heard it was combination of both

 

[jta4437]

I didn't say it wasn't logical. I said he would be disgruntled if we picked it up if he obviously doesn't want it picked up.

Does he not realize that's half of his appeal? No one is giving the Brewers a package they want for a rental, not really his problem, but basically the Brewers need to accept a smaller package if assurances are made that the option won't be picked up... Bc that seriously hampers his value

 

[Hambombs]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we make a deal for a starter that we didn't hear about yet

 

[WastinSomeTime]

JD is probably looking at him as a DH replacement for Prince

I wish that was true but I have a feeling we will be stuck with Prince next year as our DH. So I feel sure it is as a catcher.

 

[PhantomWarrior]

He said it was because Cleveland would be asking him to play 1b/dh a lot.

Wow did not know that. Wonder what plans they had for Napoli.

 

[donaldson79]

I said he would be disgruntled if we picked it up if he obviously doesn't want it picked up.

He didn't say he didn't want it picked up by any team. But he had Cleveland on the teams where he could refuse to go in the first place. And romeo and I gave you the reasons why he didn't want it picked up by them.

He may well balk at any club and the option year. We don't know this yet, and he may leverage his situation into a new contract.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Ok this may be me reading too much into it, but I swear this past hour is the first I've heard of the Astros being in the market for a catcher, and I believe it's them trying to fuck up the Rangers attempt at Lucroy.

 

[fordman84]

He didn't say he didn't want it picked up by any team. But he had Cleveland on the teams where he could refuse to go in the first place. And romeo and I gave you the reasons why he didn't want it picked up by them.

He may well balk at any club and the option year. We don't know this yet, and he may leverage his situation into a new contract.

Honestly, he has zero leverage except to those 8 no trade teams. So he used that leverage with one and they wouldn't budge so he scuttled the deal. If he comes to Texas he has none of that leverage. So will he be content with taking 1/3 of what he could get if the option year wasn't there and he stayed with MKE (the tender is $17M or something). If he is a FA he makes much more than the $5M option. It isn't a stretch to think he would be disgruntled over the option. However, it is going to get picked upwherever he is.

 

[fordman84]

Ok this may be me reading too much into it, but I swear this past hour is the first I've heard of the Astros being in the market for a catcher, and I believe it's them trying to fuck up the Rangers attempt at Lucroy.

Castro is gone after this year, so they really do need one.

 

[donaldson79]

Honestly, he has zero leverage except to those 8 no trade teams. So he used that leverage with one and they wouldn't budge so he scuttled the deal. If he comes to Texas he has none of that leverage. So will he be content with taking 1/3 of what he could get if the option year wasn't there and he stayed with MKE (the tender is $17M or something). If he is a FA he makes much more than the $5M option. It isn't a stretch to think he would be disgruntled over the option. However, it is going to get picked upwherever he is.

Didn't realize the numbers you've just presented. Good points.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Because he veto'ed the CLE trade because he didn't want them to pick up his option year since he will be leaving so much money on the table. He wants a new deal at market value, understandably.

He said it was because Cleveland would be asking him to play 1b/dh a lot.

The Indians couldn't guarantee him playing time next season...as everyone would be back healthy, etc. That's why he vetoed the trade.

 

[Kelleyman]

Honestly, he has zero leverage except to those 8 no trade teams. So he used that leverage with one and they wouldn't budge so he scuttled the deal. If he comes to Texas he has none of that leverage. So will he be content with taking 1/3 of what he could get if the option year wasn't there and he stayed with MKE (the tender is $17M or something). If he is a FA he makes much more than the $5M option. It isn't a stretch to think he would be disgruntled over the option. However, it is going to get picked upwherever he is.

Yeah Lucroy option will be picked up regardless. I agree wit the reports that Rangers have a package deal but Brewers are still shopping him without another of their players involved.

Maybe we are the fallback

 

[jta4437]

The Indians couldn't guarantee him playing time next season...as everyone would be back healthy, etc. That's why he vetoed the trade.

Its not one or the other, its a combination of factors

 

[Kelleyman]

The Indians couldn't guarantee him playing time next season...as everyone would be back healthy, etc. That's why he vetoed the trade.

Although not reported OHIO state income and Cleveland income tax may have been an unreported factor. But main thing was losing value due to 1B usage. That was reported

 

[Hambombs]

@Evan_P_Grant
3m
If Lucroy package deal doesn't materialize, Rangers could return to Derek Norris as last-minute catching fallback: goo.gl/ixB0fo

No thank you

 

[donaldson79]

@Evan_P_Grant
3m
If Lucroy package deal doesn't materialize, Rangers could return to Derek Norris as last-minute catching fallback: goo.gl/ixB0fo

No thank you

I'm with ya on this one. Just don't see the upgrade he'd bring to the table.