Brandon Marshall

[anotheridiot]

This is not all about Brandon Marshall, it has a lot to do with how the new regime operates. Two years ago, Tillman was told to seek a deal, then come back with the number and signed with the bears. Last year it seems he was just told to take the best deal he could get.

What The Fuck?

MARSHALL IS FUCKING GONE MAN....MOVE ON....YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE MY WIFE.......BRING UP THE PAST ALL THE DAMN TIME.....

It is not the past when we are trying to figure out the thought process of this new regime. Nobody heard that Fox and Pace met with Marshall and got his side of what happened, he is just the problem and gone. They kinda lost us with MacDonald signing, giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. That is the whole reason it is not just the past, its current, and a sign of what might happen with our current players. Maybe you are the one with all the answers, we are trying to figure it out.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Why do you have to go the conspiracy theory route? It's really not that difficult.

It is not the past when we are trying to figure out the thought process of this new regime. Nobody heard that Fox and Pace met with Marshall and got his side of what happened, he is just the problem and gone. They kinda lost us with MacDonald signing, giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. That is the whole reason it is not just the past, its current, and a sign of what might happen with our current players. Maybe you are the one with all the answers, we are trying to figure it out.

What are you trying to figure out? Who cares if Pace or Fox met with Brandon. They made a decision based on what they thought was best for the team. And the fact that BM has been traded by 2 other teams kinda justifies the whole notion, end of story. It's been reported many times that BM LOST the locker room last year. People tuned him out, and tired of his act.
They didn't lose me with McDonald... really, what did they do that was so terrible? They signed a guy for minimal $ who was a good fit for the D, who had a past with the DC... As soon as he messed up they bounced him= accountability.
AI I know you are missing BM. I get it, he's a good WR. We've moved on, so should you.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

I don't have any one example, but the overall sickened me. The fact the coaching staff gave up before the game sickened me. I am a ND fan and Clauson never was a good QB at any level past HS. Maybe no one got open but it mattered not, Jimmy never looked.

My problem with this Noon is this is really a pretty vacuous argument. Tom Brady wouldn't have played much better than Clausen did in that game. Not because Clausen is great, but because Seattle's secondary basically totally overmatched our (basically backup-grade) receivers. That's a credit to both Seattle's players and their coaches, who run that scheme, and says virtually nothing about Clausen.

My issue here isn't that Clausen is great or anything, it's that people criticizing his play on the basis of the Seattle game are doing so through a pretty thick lens of ignorance. I think you completely missed the point of what happened in Seattle if you think that was Clausen's fault. Completely.

OK, dead horse beaten.

 

[anotheridiot]

Why do you have to go the conspiracy theory route? It's really not that difficult.



What are you trying to figure out? Who cares if Pace or Fox met with Brandon. They made a decision based on what they thought was best for the team. And the fact that BM has been traded by 2 other teams kinda justifies the whole notion, end of story. It's been reported many times that BM LOST the locker room last year. People tuned him out, and tired of his act.
They didn't lose me with McDonald... really, what did they do that was so terrible? They signed a guy for minimal $ who was a good fit for the D, who had a past with the DC... As soon as he messed up they bounced him= accountability.
AI I know you are missing BM. I get it, he's a good WR. We've moved on, so should you.

What are you trying to figure out? Who cares if Pace or Fox met with Brandon. They made a decision based on what they thought was best for the team.

So its ok with you that they move on without getting all the information. I know you are gullible, you are sold we have a franchise quarterback. I was talking about the rest of the group. All this thread stated, (which I did not start) was we could have really used him, he is not all washed up.

They didn't lose me with McDonald... really, what did they do that was so terrible? They signed a guy for minimal $ who was a good fit for the D, who had a past with the DC... As soon as he messed up they bounced him= accountability.

Of course they didnt lose you, you are the definition of gullible. You are fine that they gave up on Marshall without having all the information, while signing a repeated fuck up they had all the information on, also got an OK from the top to sign him (not accountability, opening up your superiors to un needed ridicule) is not a terrible mark on a new regime?

You want it both ways, I always figured you were bi. If you are believing everything they are doing, why even respond to threads if you already stated your case? Maybe instead of just pinpointing people to argue with, you can be the one that just decides not to respond if the subject does not interest you. Maybe we should try that instead of people leaving or not posting so they dont have to deal with the jay jock hugger bullying?

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Is there any way to have an actual conversation with you? I'm trying here...

What is this "all the information" they were missing out on with Marshall? What's he going to say in a meeting with Pace and Fox that would sooth you?
I've never said he was "washed up" and do think he's a decent receiver when he's healthy. But when you factor in (like I'm sure Pace and company did) all the off field stuff and the locker room antics it was time to go. The fact they got something for him was a bonus.

And what damage was done with the McDonald signing? What lingering factor has hampered the club? Where is this ridicule now? It was a tiny blip, an after thought...it was taken care of quickly and forgotten.

Frankly, what is the purpose of bitching about not having Marshall now? Would they have won against GB, Card, or Seattle if Brandon Marshall was catching passes and screaming in the locker room? Doubtful.

We could have used him...sure... we could have used Kevin White and Alshon Jeffery too... but they are injured. Nothing we can do about that. Just let it go already.

 

[anotheridiot]

OK "Joey last word", Did they meet with MacDonald? Yes. Did they get MacDonalds side of the story? yes.

Did they meet with Marshall? No, Did they get Marshalls side of the story? No.

Went on news clips and twitter reports with a beast offensive receiver since they were not around, sat and discussed it with a proven thug. Seemingly took Marshalls history but left it out with MacDonald.

Do you not see how simple that is? Why not even use the same tactic with both players?

If you want me to let it go, stop poking the idiot, oh, and Mr start a redundant thread daily, ask wood20 why we needed another thread. Are we all supposed to get your permission?

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Yeah...um I'm done. I've tried

 

[beardown07]

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

OK, I'm really, really, really, really sorry to keep this thread going. And not seeing whatever Joey is saying in what is clearly an argument with AI makes it weirder. BUT.....

AI, why do you think Fox and Pace didn't meet with Marshall? Ever? I'm sure they met many times. Here's at one least one set of instances (notice the plural use of the word "meetings"):

John Fox on Brandon Marshall: We’ll make the best decision for the Bears

Do you know something others don't?

 

[Peter Gozintite]

BUMP

 

[wood20ks]

My problem with this Noon is this is really a pretty vacuous argument. Tom Brady wouldn't have played much better than Clausen did in that game. Not because Clausen is great, but because Seattle's secondary basically totally overmatched our (basically backup-grade) receivers. That's a credit to both Seattle's players and their coaches, who run that scheme, and says virtually nothing about Clausen.

My issue here isn't that Clausen is great or anything, it's that people criticizing his play on the basis of the Seattle game are doing so through a pretty thick lens of ignorance. I think you completely missed the point of what happened in Seattle if you think that was Clausen's fault. Completely.

OK, dead horse beaten.

I'm with Joe on this one.... The coaches almost 100% knew we were getting beat by Seattle before the game even started....I predicted Jimmy would only complete 12 passes the entire game, and if my memory serves me correctly, it was 7.....
7 freaking passes, the farther we got behind, we abandoned throwing the ball more to try to catch up.....

The coaches did not want 50+ scored on us.It seemed they wanted to control the score on how bad we were gonna get beaten by trying ball control by running it more.

 

[wood20ks]

What The Fuck?

MARSHALL IS FUCKING GONE MAN....MOVE ON....YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE MY WIFE.......BRING UP THE PAST ALL THE DAMN TIME.....

Nah......... If you don't wanna read this thread, move on to the next one..... No on said you had to open the Dorr to it..... So let me show you the door:



Buh-bye

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

I'm with Joe on this one.... The coaches almost 100% knew we were getting beat by Seattle before the game even started....I predicted Jimmy would only complete 12 passes the entire game, and if my memory serves me correctly, it was 7.....
7 freaking passes, the farther we got behind, we abandoned throwing the ball more to try to catch up.....

The coaches did not want 50+ scored on us.It seemed they wanted to control the score on how bad we were gonna get beaten by trying ball control by running it more.

I presume it's a waste of time asking anyone to show an example of a pass he should have made.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

In fact here's what really annoys me. I almost feel a tiny amount of sympathy for Joey on this one. Tiny. Because the problem with a lot of Cutler critics is they observe the result without understanding the reason. Well you know what? The reason is pretty damn important. If you are going to criticize Cutler, it seems pretty obvious to me that his main issue is his decision making to throw into questionable coverage. Thatt's WHY he throws interceptions. Well that and his frequent horrible technique. So along comes Clausen...who if nothing else, played about the most anti-Cutler game you can imagine, playing carefully, not making stupid throws, and some of the people who can't stand Cutler are critical of this.

It's incredibly inconsistent. For Clausen to have thrown into the teeth of that coverage would have been suicide. For ANYONE to have thrown into that coverage would have been suicide. I think it's likely Cutler would have had 3 picks that day, because we all know he would have forced the issue. So either you want your QB to take risks, and are willing to live with the consequences, or you aren't. To try to have it both ways is just the definition of hypocrisy and trying to have it both ways.

Make up your minds.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

My problem with this Noon is this is really a pretty vacuous argument. Tom Brady wouldn't have played much better than Clausen did in that game. Not because Clausen is great, but because Seattle's secondary basically totally overmatched our (basically backup-grade) receivers. That's a credit to both Seattle's players and their coaches, who run that scheme, and says virtually nothing about Clausen.

My issue here isn't that Clausen is great or anything, it's that people criticizing his play on the basis of the Seattle game are doing so through a pretty thick lens of ignorance. I think you completely missed the point of what happened in Seattle if you think that was Clausen's fault. Completely.

OK, dead horse beaten.

I get what you are saying Cali. Clauson lost me as a fan while at ND. He has done nothing in the pro's, as I fully expected he would not. My views on Clauson are not from the Sea game but his overall body of work. As you said dead horse. I think we all knew Jimmy was a joke of a NFL QB long before the Sea game.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

In fact here's what really annoys me. I almost feel a tiny amount of sympathy for Joey on this one. Tiny. Because the problem with a lot of Cutler critics is they observe the result without understanding the reason. Well you know what? The reason is pretty damn important. If you are going to criticize Cutler, it seems pretty obvious to me that his main issue is his decision making to throw into questionable coverage. Thatt's WHY he throws interceptions. Well that and his frequent horrible technique. So along comes Clausen...who if nothing else, played about the most anti-Cutler game you can imagine, playing carefully, not making stupid throws, and some of the people who can't stand Cutler are critical of this.

It's incredibly inconsistent. For Clausen to have thrown into the teeth of that coverage would have been suicide. For ANYONE to have thrown into that coverage would have been suicide. I think it's likely Cutler would have had 3 picks that day, because we all know he would have forced the issue. So either you want your QB to take risks, and are willing to live with the consequences, or you aren't. To try to have it both ways is just the definition of hypocrisy and trying to have it both ways.

Make up your minds.

Couldn't we land in the middle? You have to admit it would be more fun losing with Cutler trying then Jimmy being safe.

 

[anotheridiot]

So now the Brandon Marshall thread is back about Cutler.............

What you guys never seem to want to accept, is the fact that we have a shit backup BECAUSE JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. You are not going to compete with him for a starter, you are not going to get first team snaps in practice. You get a backup like McCown that accepts the role, carries the microsoft surface for Jay, and actually has coaching mentality that supports Jay, and desperately makes no attempt to take chances when they are in the game.
See, that was why there was Caleb Hanie support and support for Fales now. Two nobodies that pose no threat to Jay but might actually have better skills than Jimmy Claussen when needed for a few plays or a game if Cutler is hurt. Guys that can start and deliver do not want to be on the sidelines. Guys like Hanie and Fales just want a shot to play.
And I am not saying its Jays fault we have a shitty backup, I am saying the quality you would want would rather sign somewhere else.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Couldn't we land in the middle? You have to admit it would be more fun losing with Cutler trying then Jimmy being safe.

I can admit that.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

So now the Brandon Marshall thread is back about Cutler.............

What you guys never seem to want to accept, is the fact that we have a shit backup BECAUSE JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. You are not going to compete with him for a starter, you are not going to get first team snaps in practice. You get a backup like McCown that accepts the role, carries the microsoft surface for Jay, and actually has coaching mentality that supports Jay, and desperately makes no attempt to take chances when they are in the game.
See, that was why there was Caleb Hanie support and support for Fales now. Two nobodies that pose no threat to Jay but might actually have better skills than Jimmy Claussen when needed for a few plays or a game if Cutler is hurt. Guys that can start and deliver do not want to be on the sidelines. Guys like Hanie and Fales just want a shot to play.
And I am not saying its Jays fault we have a shitty backup, I am saying the quality you would want would rather sign somewhere else.

I think we all understand and accept this specific paragraph you have written here. Why do you think we don't?

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

I think we all understand and accept this specific paragraph you have written here. Why do you think we don't?

Not all of us Cali. In the beginning Cutler was coddled and no threats to his job was brought in to compete. Things are very different now. We are not worried about hurt feelings with Cutler anymore. We simply have not been able to find better QBs to bring in too compete with Jay. If we could we would. AI was right 1 year ago, but today he is wrong.