So Washington Democrat taksj trash about Arizona after the Seahawks lose

[johnson]

There's something rotten about Sheriff Joe and if you can't smell it then you must not have a nose.

I don't think PE1 ever said other States weren't racist? But the thread is about Arizona and I think that's (obviously) why his focus was on AZ. If people are discussing whether Charles Manson is evil, you don't constantly keep saying "Why aren't we talking about Jeffrey Dahmer? He's a bad guy too".

"If your going to call out a state for being racist why not throw in Mississippi or Alabama". I can answer that for the Seattle politician...cuz Alabama and Mississppi didn't just jack-stomp the Seahawks in their own stadium!

No politician is liked by everyone, but VERY few politicians have regular protests outside their building downtown. Very few are the reasons businesses and conferences boycott the State. Very few cost their taxpayers millions each year in lawsuits. Very few require Federal investigations and interventions into their practices. Sheriff Joe is VERY famous (probably the most famous Sheriff in America) and for many, it's due to his alleged racism...among other things.

If being a proud Arizonan must mean you love Sheriff Joe then I guess I better pack my bags for Washington. Fortunately, I know that is not the case. I love AZ, but parts of it I hate.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

There's something rotten about Sheriff Joe and if you can't smell it then you must not have a nose.

I don't think PE1 ever said other States weren't racist? But the thread is about Arizona and I think that's (obviously) why his focus was on AZ. If people are discussing whether Charles Manson is evil, you don't constantly keep saying "Why aren't we talking about Jeffrey Dahmer? He's a bad guy too".

"If your going to call out a state for being racist why not throw in Mississippi or Alabama". I can answer that for the Seattle politician...cuz Alabama and Mississppi didn't just jack-stomp the Seahawks in their own stadium!

No politician is liked by everyone, but VERY few politicians have regular protests outside their building downtown. Very few are the reasons businesses and conferences boycott the State. Very few cost their taxpayers millions each year in lawsuits. Very few require Federal investigations and interventions into their practices. Sheriff Joe is VERY famous (probably the most famous Sheriff in America) and for many, it's due to his alleged racism...among other things.

If being a proud Arizonan must mean you love Sheriff Joe then I guess I better pack my bags for Washington. Fortunately, I know that is not the case. I love AZ, but parts of it I hate.

It is obvious you are trying to put words in my mouth to make your point.

The thread is about a jackass politician shit talking AZ. PE1 happens to agree with him. I don't agree with him. I am saying Malkos argument is weak because several states have a racist history. Some worse than AZ. So your vague analogy about Manson is kind of pointless. You have an opinion about Sheriff Joe that over half the county doesn't agree with. Does that mean everyone is wrong and you are right?

In terms of calling out other states, I wasn't referring to the politician, I was referring to PE1, who is not a Seattle fan. Again, your analogy about Manson is pointless.

There are plenty of politicians who are protested regularly (Obama) and cost Americans a ton of money. There are plenty of states operating with huge deficits and cost their taxpayers millions each year. Some of which are a lot worse than AZ. If don't see that, you don't have eyes.

I already said I don't agree with Sheriff Joe's alleged racial profiling, but I do agree with his efforts in correcting the HUGE immigration issue we have in AZ and the rest of the country. And please, don't act like there are multiple federal investigations against Sheriff Joe every year. I may be wrong, but I only know about it happening once. How long has he been Sheriff?

Say what you want about Sheriff Joe, but he has good intentions for all Arizonians and LEGAL law abiding citizens. I will admit, he has a little Al Davis in him and his run will probably be coming to an end soon. But remember, he is old school and did a lot of good for the state.

I never said being a proud Arizonian means you have to love Sheriff Joe (again with trying to put words in my mouth) and there are some things I don't like about this country in addition to AZ. But when some idiotic Washington politician makes comments like he did, I'm going to stick up for the state where I live.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

That wasnt a vague analogy... that was a perfect example by Johnson. To be honest the country needs more people with his attitude. He said he wasn't a liberal, but he is extremely open minded. I didn't bring in other states with bad reputations because we were talking about a politician who ripped Arizona. I never once said I agreed with him and it was silly for him to say that.

Again, his analogy about Manson was perfect and right on the money. We were talking about Arizona. He said if you are talking about Manson being a sociopath one doesnt say, "What about Dahmer". Just like when one talks about Arizonas reputation you dont answer, "Well what about Alabama". It was right frigging on target and I dont see how you cant understand that.

I remember reading someone started a website called "DirtyArizonaCop" which is perfectly legal and Sheriff Joe had his house raided and computers taken away. That's not him protecting law abiding citizens. Thats just fucked up and using intimidation..

I know there are many states with bad reps. I remember when David Duke ran for GOV of Louisianna and lost but still got over 600,000 votes. He was recently purged from the state of Italy for running a neo Nazi group and was the leader of the KKK before he ran for governor yet still received 600,000+ votes. THATS FREAKING SCARY!

 

[Scorpion14]

There has been racism in every state but I remember something about the north fighting the south to free the slaves. America has a long and bad history with racism but Arizona is one of those states with a very bad reputation. The SB was almost taken away for not making MLK day. Terminal 4 of our airport is called Barry Goldwater who voted AGAINST equal rights. If you remember the great rap group Public Enemy releasing songs about the racism in Arizona. Its not made up. Arizona has a long reputation for injustice and Sheriff Joe keeps it going.

That war was about money and really had little to do with slaves.

I can tell you that I was a supporter and voted for Evan Meacham. I can tell you I also am a strong supporter of the greatest sheriff in America Joe Arpaio. States should have a right to do what they want in this country and not have some bully government boss them around. Not in one state has the people voted for gay marriage and still its now legal in many due to corrupt judges making their own rules out of thin air.

I guarantee every state has a history of racism. Depends how far back you want to go but you know I am right. Whys is it that liberals are the most hateful people in existence. They want freedom of speech as long as its something they believe in. Seriously what's it to you if the people voted against an MLK day in Arizona. He is the only person that gets a holiday all to himself and you can't tell me there are not more deserving people than King.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

The slaves went north to escape slavery. Its a simple as that.

Its probably not worth getting in to with you Scorpion cause it is obvious you are homophobic and have zero issue with a corrupt Sheriff who is a complete racist. And you calling Liberals the most hateful people in existence makes zero sense. You are anti gay anti Mexican but you call my party the hateful party. Thats just ludicrous. What's it to me if people voted against MLK day? Well it pretty much offended the ENTIRE country to the point that people boycott our state, travel agencies wont send people here and the Super Bowl was almost taken away. It seems like the majority of the country was pretty friggin pissed. So it mattered to more people then just me. Also these liberal groups that fight for freedom of speech consistently say it's sometimes hard for them, but they will fight for the KKK is someone would take away their rights.

And no. I cant think of an American who is more deserving then MLK. MLK is a symbol of love, peace, strength and gave up his life for the WORST issue our country has ever faced. He is an American hero and the holiday isnt about him. It's a representation of someone trying to remove the most disgusting thing a human can be... and thats a racist. He represents everything that is good about you and you should cherish that about him. He did more to make this a better country then I can think of. And to be honest, why freaking not, its another day off of work.

There has been racism in every state but I cant see to figure out why you dont understand that Arizona has a horrific CURRENT reputation. Its there because the voters of AZ voted against MLK day while the rest of the country didnt. Its there because the entire country is appalled at our racist, and FELON, sheriff. He talks some macho crap and people just love it. It doesn't matter if he gets caught telling his cops to plant evidence. It doesnt matter if the law in AZ is to arrest the business owners who employ illegals yet he raids these businesses and ONLY arrests the workers. Its OK if he gets busted by the Feds for racial profiling. Its OK he lost this state 7 million bucks recently for abuse of power. As long as he talks tough you will follow.

Lastly, To be completely honest... Im somewhat leery of even posting negative stuff about him. He been sued for telling his cops to plant evidence. He has been sued for abuse of power. I know its crazy but it makes me feel like you're not even free to express yourself while living in Arizona.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

That wasnt a vague analogy... that was a perfect example by Johnson. To be honest the country needs more people with his attitude. He said he wasn't a liberal, but he is extremely open minded. I didn't bring in other states with bad reputations because we were talking about a politician who ripped Arizona. I never once said I agreed with him and it was silly for him to say that.

Again, his analogy about Manson was perfect and right on the money. We were talking about Arizona. He said if you are talking about Manson being a sociopath one doesnt say, "What about Dahmer". Just like when one talks about Arizonas reputation you dont answer, "Well what about Alabama". It was right frigging on target and I dont see how you cant understand that.

I remember reading someone started a website called "DirtyArizonaCop" which is perfectly legal and Sheriff Joe had his house raided and computers taken away. That's not him protecting law abiding citizens. Thats just fucked up and using intimidation..

I know there are many states with bad reps. I remember when David Duke ran for GOV of Louisianna and lost but still got over 600,000 votes. He was recently purged from the state of Italy for running a neo Nazi group and was the leader of the KKK before he ran for governor yet still received 600,000+ votes. THATS FREAKING SCARY!

We will agree to disagree on the analogy. No bad intentions here.

Sheriff Joe is old school. There is an immigration problem in this country. He chose to deal with it in a not so popular way. I admit, I have a personal opinion because of something horrible that happened to a very close relative by an illegal immigrant.

I may be in the minority here, but aren't cops supposed to be intimidating? I highly doubt some guy had his house raided because of some blog or website he created. There is a lot of bullshit out there so don't believe everything you read.

If you are a law abiding citizen, then you shouldn't be afraid of Sheriff Joe or any other cops. If you fuck up and drive drunk, jump the boarder fence, or do something worse, then you deserve whatever the law throws at you. I wish the rest of the country had the same mentality. We would be a much safer nation.

This country has to grab its nuts and man up. We are slowly becoming a nation of liberal pussies.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The slaves went north to escape slavery. Its a simple as that.

Its probably not worth getting in to with you Scorpion cause it is obvious you are homophobic and have zero issue with a corrupt Sheriff who is a complete racist. And you calling Liberals the most hateful people in existence makes zero sense. You are anti gay anti Mexican but you call my party the hateful party. Thats just ludicrous. What's it to me if people voted against MLK day? Well it pretty much offended the ENTIRE country to the point that people boycott our state, travel agencies wont send people here and the Super Bowl was almost taken away. It seems like the majority of the country was pretty friggin pissed. So it mattered to more people then just me. Also these liberal groups that fight for freedom of speech consistently say it's sometimes hard for them, but they will fight for the KKK is someone would take away their rights.

And no. I cant think of an American who is more deserving then MLK. MLK is a symbol of love, peace, strength and gave up his life for the WORST issue our country has ever faced. He is an American hero and the holiday isnt about him. It's a representation of someone trying to remove the most disgusting thing a human can be... and thats a racist. He represents everything that is good about you and you should cherish that about him. He did more to make this a better country then I can think of. And to be honest, why freaking not, its another day off of work.

There has been racism in every state but I cant see to figure out why you dont understand that Arizona has a horrific CURRENT reputation. Its there because the voters of AZ voted against MLK day while the rest of the country didnt. Its there because the entire country is appalled at our racist, and FELON, sheriff. He talks some macho crap and people just love it. It doesn't matter if he gets caught telling his cops to plant evidence. It doesnt matter if the law in AZ is to arrest the business owners who employ illegals yet he raids these businesses and ONLY arrests the workers. Its OK if he gets busted by the Feds for racial profiling. Its OK he lost this state 7 million bucks recently for abuse of power. As long as he talks tough you will follow.

Lastly, To be completely honest... Im somewhat leery of even posting negative stuff about him. He been sued for telling his cops to plant evidence. He has been sued for abuse of power. I know its crazy but it makes me feel like you're not even free to express yourself while living in Arizona.

Bob Marley stood for the same thing. Should we give him a national holiday? Joke..lol. I agree, MLK is a historic figure and represents nothing but positive things. He deserves the recognition of a national holiday.

You gotta pump the breaks on Sheriff Joe. Again, he has done some not so popular things, but a felon? Really? You can sue anyone for anything. That means nothing. He has been Sheriff since the early 90's. Surly you don't get elected 5 times for being a felon. I understand you don't like him, but geez..... afraid to express youself??? You are living in fear my friend. Take a Xanax and relax.

 

[Scorpion14]

The slaves went north to escape slavery. Its a simple as that.

Its probably not worth getting in to with you Scorpion cause it is obvious you are homophobic and have zero issue with a corrupt Sheriff who is a complete racist. And you calling Liberals the most hateful people in existence makes zero sense. You are anti gay anti Mexican but you call my party the hateful party. Thats just ludicrous. What's it to me if people voted against MLK day? Well it pretty much offended the ENTIRE country to the point that people boycott our state, travel agencies wont send people here and the Super Bowl was almost taken away. It seems like the majority of the country was pretty friggin pissed. So it mattered to more people then just me. Also these liberal groups that fight for freedom of speech consistently say it's sometimes hard for them, but they will fight for the KKK is someone would take away their rights.

And no. I cant think of an American who is more deserving then MLK. MLK is a symbol of love, peace, strength and gave up his life for the WORST issue our country has ever faced. He is an American hero and the holiday isnt about him. It's a representation of someone trying to remove the most disgusting thing a human can be... and thats a racist. He represents everything that is good about you and you should cherish that about him. He did more to make this a better country then I can think of. And to be honest, why freaking not, its another day off of work.

There has been racism in every state but I cant see to figure out why you dont understand that Arizona has a horrific CURRENT reputation. Its there because the voters of AZ voted against MLK day while the rest of the country didnt. Its there because the entire country is appalled at our racist, and FELON, sheriff. He talks some macho crap and people just love it. It doesn't matter if he gets caught telling his cops to plant evidence. It doesnt matter if the law in AZ is to arrest the business owners who employ illegals yet he raids these businesses and ONLY arrests the workers. Its OK if he gets busted by the Feds for racial profiling. Its OK he lost this state 7 million bucks recently for abuse of power. As long as he talks tough you will follow.

Lastly, To be completely honest... Im somewhat leery of even posting negative stuff about him. He been sued for telling his cops to plant evidence. He has been sued for abuse of power. I know its crazy but it makes me feel like you're not even free to express yourself while living in Arizona.

If its such a racist horrible state then why is it one of the most popular states for people to move too. Do you really believe the average American gives a damn about MLK. Lets just say King was a communist and he was. Lets also say if King was such a hero then why is everything the FBI knows about locked him up for years. Lets also say the guy was shot because he went to a seedy area of town to be with a prostitute. This my friend is what happens when the wrong people get control of your country. I guarantee their are plenty of blacks out there that did way more than King ever did.

Now bashing Sheriff Joe Arpaio is foolish because all he does is uphold the law and abide by our constitution and you call him a bad guy. He is ten times the American you are PE1. Let see if we agree on this. Illegal immigration is wrong and a state should do everything possible fight this. Is it fair to just sit back and watch illegals cross the border which in turn increases crime, cost us millions in giving them free schooling and health care, takes nice areas of town and turns them into slums, force our people to learn their language.

Honestly the majority of Americans disagree with you PE1. The ones who agree with you is a small minority that controls the media, and controls the minds of this huge population of poor and uneducated people we now have in this country.

 

[MrS]

when a lib claims "im not a lib", you know he is a lib.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

when a lib claims "im not a lib", you know he is a lib.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Can't we all agree to disagree?

Liberals like to hide under a variety of different names these days, but those names all mean the same thing.

Hopefully this thread will get locked since it has run it's course.

 

[johnson]

Most Liberals I know don't hide it. They are proud. Just like the Tea Party crowd. My Uncle could not be louder and prouder.

Believe it or not, there are people in the world with a variety of different opinions based on the issue at hand that can't be boxed into a "Lib" or "Conservative" category. And you don't do much for your intellectual reputation (if you ever had one) by resorting to name-calling (esp of people you've never met and don't know otherwise).

POST 1: ARGUMENT MADE
POST 2: COUNTER-ARGUMENT MADE WITH LINK TO STUDIES, EVIDENCE OR FACTS TO SUPPORT IT
POST 3: COUNTER-ARGUMENT NOT ADDRESSED, POSTER CALLED A "STUPID LIB"

Which one are you?

Since that's where this, unfortunately, has headed...time to get back to sports?

 

[Davis_Mike]

Are you kidding me? The current flavor of the decade name that liberals like to hide behind now is "Progressive". If you deny this, you are lying to yourself & everyone that reads your reply.

Liberals like to rebrand themselves as progressives, shedding the baggage and animosity “liberal” has so rightly earned. Every time leftists, regardless of what they call themselves, are exposed for what they really are, Americans reject them.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Are you kidding me? The current flavor of the decade name that liberals like to hide behind now is "Progressive". If you deny this, you are lying to yourself & everyone that reads your reply.

Liberals like to rebrand themselves as progressives, shedding the baggage and animosity “liberal” has so rightly earned. Every time leftists, regardless of what they call themselves, are exposed for what they really are, Americans reject them.

This is true. "Progressive" seems to be the new term for the left.

 

[Scorpion14]

This is true. "Progressive" seems to be the new term for the left.

They also don't like to use Obamacare any more and instead say the Affordable Care Act. Since Obamacare is a train wreck the liberal does everything possible to keep his name away from it.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Get it right guys, they are called "progressives" now, not liberals. And refusing to say "Obamacare" is almost like saying "fair share", it outs them every time.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

A liberal is a liberal. We aren't hiding behind any name. THis is just so much complete nonsense. THe MAJORITY of this country is liberal and thats why Obama won. Sheriff Joe would NEVER win in a state from the NE. And dont turn to the uneducated liberal crap. The top 10 most educated states are all liberal states and the top 10 least educated states are conservative states. Thats a fact. You have EVERY right to disagree with liberals but to call them the uneducated party is completely WRONG! I love how Repubs rip the liberal media, the liberal professors etc. THose are the smart people in our society.

There is nothing wrong with stopping the illegal entry of foreigners but the way Joe has done it is completely illegal and completely racist and a complete embarrassment to our state. But he reels in the tough guys like you with this macho talk.

Ill try and find the link to the story of the guy that Sheriff Joe raided his house and confiscated his computery for starting a wesite called something like dirtyazcop or something similar. And you are correct in saying anyone can sue anyone. Unfortunately Arpaio loses these cases costing the AZ tax payers 10's of millions of dollars.

I have a nephew who is a big time right winger that I totally disagree with but I also understand that he is a great person. I just think Rep/Dem have differences of opinions but doesnt make the person on either side a bad guy. Its just so completely childish to call us liberal pu$$ies. That macho talk is complete garbage. As someone who has worked closely with psychologists and psychiatrists you have to understnad the tougher someone acts shows how scared they are. I remember a seminar where they spoke of some big tough guy with muscles and tats and how we should look at that person and say, "Poor little boy, scared of the world". I grew out of the tough guy macho talk in my early 20s.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

And please dont rip the source of these top 10 least/most educated states. Its from Fox news.

America?s Best (and Worst) Educated States | Fox Business

 

[Fountain City Blues]

A liberal is a liberal. We aren't hiding behind any name. THis is just so much complete nonsense. THe MAJORITY of this country is liberal and thats why Obama won. Sheriff Joe would NEVER win in a state from the NE. And dont turn to the uneducated liberal crap. The top 10 most educated states are all liberal states and the top 10 least educated states are conservative states. Thats a fact. You have EVERY right to disagree with liberals but to call them the uneducated party is completely WRONG! I love how Repubs rip the liberal media, the liberal professors etc. THose are the smart people in our society.

There is nothing wrong with stopping the illegal entry of foreigners but the way Joe has done it is completely illegal and completely racist and a complete embarrassment to our state. But he reels in the tough guys like you with this macho talk.

Ill try and find the link to the story of the guy that Sheriff Joe raided his house and confiscated his computery for starting a wesite called something like dirtyazcop or something similar. And you are correct in saying anyone can sue anyone. Unfortunately Arpaio loses these cases costing the AZ tax payers 10's of millions of dollars.

I have a nephew who is a big time right winger that I totally disagree with but I also understand that he is a great person. I just think Rep/Dem have differences of opinions but doesnt make the person on either side a bad guy. Its just so completely childish to call us liberal pu$$ies. That macho talk is complete garbage. As someone who has worked closely with psychologists and psychiatrists you have to understnad the tougher someone acts shows how scared they are. I remember a seminar where they spoke of some big tough guy with muscles and tats and how we should look at that person and say, "Poor little boy, scared of the world". I grew out of the tough guy macho talk in my early 20s.

... Conservatives outnumber Liberals almost 2:1 and it has been that way for awhile. Additionally, more independents tend to vote Republican than Democrat. (There are quite a few Democrats though which is why they are able to win without going into too much detail).

"Conservatives continue to make up the largest segment of political views in the country, outnumbering liberals nearly two-to-one, according to a new poll Thursday."

"The Gallup survey found that 40 percent of Americans consider themselves conservative; 35 percent consider themselves moderate; and 21 percent see themselves as liberal. The figures did not change from 2010."


Read more: Gallup poll: Conservatives outnumber liberals - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

 

[Scorpion14]

Obama won because he plays Santa Claus. He is now paying back his base who voted for him by taking health care from those who work and earned it and then forcing the working class people to pay for the Obama moochers. Education is one thing but still your base is made up of the downtrodden of this country. You know the Democrat party cannot exist without this huge base of gimme dat mentality.

Education is only worth so much. Many of these states with the higher education level are predominately white which stands to reason the higher percentage of educated people. California also has a huge amount of educated people but they weren't in the top ten and I think you know why.