Nick Saban on 60 minutes tonight! Listen and learn...

[4down20]

Its a dishonest process. You don't offer a kid a scholarship unless you have one to offer. Bama and many of the SEC schools do this all the time and then do a cut down or grey shirt kids that were promised a scholarship. Its a way of keeping 100-125 kids tied to your program even though you only have 85 scholarships to give away. Its a dishonest process that shows you don't know how to evaluate a kids potential. If he doesn't make the cut you encourage him to take a medical hardship or have your medical staff fail the kid on a physical. That is your "great man". And before you blast me with all the you just made this up here is the link to the evidence Oversigning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go on and read the Wall Street Journal article too. It is worth looking it up. I will be interesting to see how they fair when the 25 scholarship limit that was imposed by the conference kicks in. Since 2011 no SEC team has been allowed to sign more than 25 per year per new conference rule to address this issue. This gives them a couple of more years before we really see it affect them.

How is it a dishonest process if the players are told in advance scholarships are for 1 year and they will have to compete for their job?

If they don't think they can cut it, then don't sign. Easy enough.

 

[UNA Lion]

Video

... for those who missed it.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

To be fair, this thread should have been posted on the Alabama team board.

I've defended Alabama many times on here, Saban is a great coach.

But do I want to watch him, or even read about him on 60 minutes? No. The only people who would, would be Alabama fans. Not the General public of college football.

 

[ellupo]

Not a UM fan... not even much of a college football fan, really. I prefer watching the real thing on Sundays... but whatever floats your boat. I'm just someone who's familiar with Saban's act. An OSU fan calling out someone he thinks is a UM fan over illegal activities ? Now that's pretty funny.

Yeah an OSU fan did call out a UM fan over their criminals. You did see Buckeye players in the new but did they get charged? Did the video of what happened get them off the hook? What about the UM DUI that had a massive one game suspension? Or how about Felony home invasion that got one game? Is that all criminals get at UM a one game? I wont even get into the r*pe cover up or your all american threatening a r*pe victim and no punishment at all.
You pointed at Bama but I dont see Saban having any felons on his team starting with a one game suspension. Glass house, be careful.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Its a dishonest process. You don't offer a kid a scholarship unless you have one to offer. Bama and many of the SEC schools do this all the time and then do a cut down or grey shirt kids that were promised a scholarship. Its a way of keeping 100-125 kids tied to your program even though you only have 85 scholarships to give away. Its a dishonest process that shows you don't know how to evaluate a kids potential. If he doesn't make the cut you encourage him to take a medical hardship or have your medical staff fail the kid on a physical. That is your "great man". And before you blast me with all the you just made this up here is the link to the evidence Oversigning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go on and read the Wall Street Journal article too. It is worth looking it up. I will be interesting to see how they fair when the 25 scholarship limit that was imposed by the conference kicks in. Since 2011 no SEC team has been allowed to sign more than 25 per year per new conference rule to address this issue. This gives them a couple of more years before we really see it affect them.

Read the WSJ article when it first came out and surprisingly they have not done a followup on these players to see if they followed their dreams into the NFL. Why do you suppose that is? because they could not continue playing and the medical scholarship was a god send for them. One was offered a student coaching position and is likely in a coaching position. the other finished his education at Alabama and went on to work for Mercedes about 40 minutes up the road from Tuscaloosa as a Robot Programmer, which is not a low paying job by any stretch. The other one has disappeared. In each case cited, not one tried to continue playing after they were eligible to join an NFL roster. And what is most telling is, they each got the scholarship they came to Alabama for and finished their education, which is more than most get.

You seem to like the idea that this article and others like it are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but they fail to mention that a medical redshirt has to be recommended/approved by a licensed medical doctor first, then it has to be approved by the SEC and then it has to be approved by the school administration if money is available. Thats alot of processes for the approval to go through, you would think one of them would have caught all these useless Medical redshirts, unless they were'nt useless.

In the end, these kids got what they came to the school for, a chance to play, a scholarship at an institution of higher learning and the ability to further themselves down the line from high school football player to the business world. Seems they got it all if you ask me and they did it all willingly.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

To be fair, this thread should have been posted on the Alabama team board.

I've defended Alabama many times on here, Saban is a great coach.

But do I want to watch him, or even read about him on 60 minutes? No. The only people who would, would be Alabama fans. Not the General public of college football.

Granted there were three segments to the show, but the show was the 4th highest rated for the evening among the networks and the top three were the football pre-show, the game overrun on CBS and the night game at 8 p.m. Seems a good many watched that show, which doesnt support your thoughts on the general public not being interested. A 3.2 share is pretty good considering a 2.5 share watched The Simpsons and Family guy, both Sunday mainstays.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

Granted there were three segments to the show, but the show was the 4th highest rated for the evening among the networks and the top three were the football pre-show, the game overrun on CBS and the night game at 8 p.m. Seems a good many watched that show, which doesnt support your thoughts on the general public not being interested. A 3.2 share is pretty good considering a 2.5 share watched The Simpsons and Family guy, both Sunday mainstays.

I think my Grandmother watches 60 minutes. I'm sure she enjoyed it.

 

[Camfantasy]

Just suck him off already and get it over with.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I think my Grandmother watches 60 minutes. I'm sure she enjoyed it.

I catch it from time to time if it has something on technology or maybe a political piece. this is the first time i have watched it in a while and solely due to the Saban piece. Learned something new about him and his dad that i didnt know. Pretty interesting overall with the other segments being pretty good also.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

I don't blame Alabama fans for being self centered.

Because I know for a fact, If Notre Dame wins a Title I'm going to be a complete dick here.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I don't blame Alabama fans for being self centered.

Because I know for a fact, If Notre Dame wins a Title I'm going to be a complete dick here.

You havent let winning a title stand in your way J/K

 

[ChicagoIrish]

You havent let winning a title stand in your way J/K

Lol!

Just trying to keep my head up is all.

I was much worse, until that beat down in last years Title game.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Lol!

Just trying to keep my head up is all.

I was much worse, until that beat down in last years Title game.

How you holding up with the recent events? I dont mean to bring it up, just wanted to see if you're doing ok.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

How you holding up with the recent events? I dont mean to bring it up, just wanted to see if you're doing ok.

It's tough, but nothing can be done now. The Funeral is tomorrow, I'll be happy to put that behind me and move on.

Honestly, coming here to talk sports, and just all around bullshit with the other posters, keeps your mind busy, and helps quite a bit.

 

[Wazmankg]

Yeah an OSU fan did call out a UM fan over their criminals. You did see Buckeye players in the new but did they get charged? Did the video of what happened get them off the hook? What about the UM DUI that had a massive one game suspension? Or how about Felony home invasion that got one game? Is that all criminals get at UM a one game? I wont even get into the r*pe cover up or your all american threatening a r*pe victim and no punishment at all.
You pointed at Bama but I dont see Saban having any felons on his team starting with a one game suspension. Glass house, be careful.

Dude, did you read my post ? Maybe you should have someone read it to you. Again... I'm not a UM fan. Not everyone who lives in MI is. I know you all are bit slow down there so I'll repeat that. I'm not a UM fan.

 

[BamaTee1]

Good or bad this is the shortest of the 3 or 4 threads I have created. So people can bitch about no interest but it beats threads that go 1 page and die. Must be someone interested, huh? Good or bad! They took the time to stop in and write something.

 

[Doctor Krieger]

Good or bad this is the shortest of the 3 or 4 threads I have created. So people can bitch about no interest but it beats threads that go 1 page and die. Must be someone interested, huh? Good or bad! They took the time to stop in and write something.

 

[romeo212000]

Good or bad this is the shortest of the 3 or 4 threads I have created. So people can bitch about no interest but it beats threads that go 1 page and die. Must be someone interested, huh? Good or bad! They took the time to stop in and write something.

Would you like a medal, or a chest to pin it on?

 

[Goldbug]

I like Saban because I can relate to him. I don't run my companies for another other purpose than to make as much money as possible. I take care of my employees and provide a good service to our clients but it's not because I'm a nice guy, Eddie Ethics, or propelled by some Christian value system. I do it because I like winning and making coin. I see Nick Saban as the same type of person. He doesn't really give a damn about the fans or the press. But he does make sure his players are happy and his coaches are well paid. Why? Because it helps him win.....not because he's a nice guy, Eddie Ethics or propelled by some Christian value system. I wish OU was winning a slew of National Championships instead of Alabama but if it can't be us then I'd like it to be the Tide. Personally, I wouldn't care if our coach was Hitler just as long as he won National Championships and we played clean football on the field.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

I like Saban because I can relate to him. I don't run my companies for another other purpose than to make as much money as possible. I take care of my employees and provide a good service to our clients but it's not because I'm a nice guy, Eddie Ethics, or propelled by some Christian value system. I do it because I like winning and making coin. I see Nick Saban as the same type of person. He doesn't really give a damn about the fans or the press. But he does make sure his players are happy and his coaches are well paid. Why? Because it helps him win.....not because he's a nice guy, Eddie Ethics or propelled by some Christian value system. I wish OU was winning a slew of National Championships instead of Alabama but if it can't be us then I'd like it to be the Tide. Personally, I wouldn't care if our coach was Hitler just as long as he won National Championships and we played clean football on the field.

Hmm........................................................................... Ok