Slay can't be worse

[gvsulaker82]

Well no i told you millen was a given as worst and i dont actually think mayhew is the worst ever itbwas an exaggeration. I said from the beginning its been pretty much anybod after pick ten (meant to say pick 12) and you have said nothing to convince me otherwise, im just trying to be nice and say yeah cool yay follet but in reality they all suck man. I understand the need for fans to have hope but my argument hasnt really changed, there hasnt been one legit starter that i can think of drafted after fairley...am i missing someone? Great teams are built through the draft and mayhew has not did that at all.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Cutting bentley is going too far. Start mathis, houston delmas and quin. Bench bentley though, someday he may be decent but i dunno mayhew may be the worst gm ever drafting anyone after the tenth pick.

Ill quote myself, then you proceeded to try to convince me players like follet and willie young were difference makers, they werent and arent. They were all failed draft picks. Young is only on the team because they just dont have anyone lol. At first they thought they could develop him and now its just pointless. Imagine hiw much better suh and fairley make him look, fox was starting because they just didnt have anyone else, hilliard? Yuck.

Hey, reiff may turn out...i could be wrong on him..so maybe one.

 

[gvsulaker82]

A win against an Arizona team that probably wont win 5 games, which is probably as many as we might win

Alot, good teams are built thru the draft, the cardinals are awful, the lons couldnt beat them.

 

[Mebert]

outside of 10? Warford, Reiff, Broyles, Fairley, Delmas, and Levy. Slay will be good eventually, it is rare a CB comes into the NFL and does great right away.

Most people agree that Detroit has TONS of talent, they are just the most undisciplined team out there, and that causes them a ton of games.

 

[Mebert]

Fair enough, I missed your comment about after the 10 spot and just read the worst GM comment. I agree with you that Mayhew could be better, but he has put a lot of talent on this team. He does not control the lack of discipline, that is on the coach.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Um levy was one of the worst linebackers in the league last year and was only a starter because his competition was a bunch of special teamers, hes started out awesome this year but its two games. I already said fairley, delmas and broyles are always injured, warford and reiff have shown nothing yet. I said legit starters not just starting because they have no one else. Just like you cant label a pick a bust right away you can label them a stud right away either its way too early to know if broyles, warford, and reiff are legit starters, if those are the best picks mayhew has made outside of suh and stafford then you have just proven my point and explained why the lions couldnt handle the cardinals and were just awful in their home opener first half.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Well he has given the lons suh, staff and fairley. Beyond that its a stretch to say a lot of talent. If reiff pans out then thats an amazing pick by him.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Oh trust me ive had my say on schwartz as well. Mayhew is better than millen but if the players last year and this year dont start showing something, anything he needs to go.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Evil-er
A win against an Arizona team that probably wont win 5 games, which is probably as many as we might win


What does this have to do with the discussion for draft selections?

absolutely nothing, you ask what people wanted and I answered. I have no interest in getting into a discussion about our recent drafts because I think they have been god awful across the board other than the first round.

 

[Mebert]

So if you don't want to count new picks because it is too soon you have 2 drafts to judge Mayhew by. Which he brought in Stafford, Suh, Fox, Delmas, and Levy as starters. Hill is only gone because we got Fairley.

Delmas is hurt often, but he is a great player. Levy has been hated around her for awhile because he does not usually make the game changing play, but he is a solid LB.

He should not have gambled on Young and Best, but it is easy to look back and judge that now, but how many of us supported those picks when they happened? they both had tons of talent.

 

[Mebert]

I have no interest in getting into a discussion about our recent drafts

Then don't comment on a conversation about it

 

[gvsulaker82]

So mostly often injured players below average starters or unproven players with fairley, suh and stafford. Its been fun but i feel somewhat bad hijacking thread, good discussion.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Then don't comment on a conversation about it

First, dont tell me what to do.

Second, if you want an evaluation here it is...............
2009 - Staff was a no brainer. Pettigrew was a pathetic pick and Delmas was a very long way from an impact player even when he was healthy. What's he got, two career INT's maybe? This season so far (but not before) Levy is a solid contributor and SLH was a solid back up. This draft was by far his best.

In 2010 he gambled on an established injury risk in Best, and traded up to get him no less. Spievey was a horrible pick, Jason Fox hasnt panned out (or stayed healthy, he also had known injury from college), Willie Young seems to be the best pick outside of Suh (another no brainer) and he is perhaps the biggest dumbass in the league.

2011 - IMO Fairley was the right pick. The guy was universally believed to be the #1 overall for most of that college season so when he is sitting there at #13 you take him. But what really made the 2011 draft pure gold for us was the players he took after that. Titus Young, a pure headcase and a known one. Big surprise that he went insane. There were weed rumors surrounding Leshoure in college and at the draft, we took him anyway and again traded up to do it. He's given us two arrests and sits as a third stringer hoping to get traded. Our only other pick that year is long gone.

Oh boy, 2012 was a great draft as well. Jury is still out on Reiff but it was encouraging when we wanted to move him to G within the first year of drafting him to play LT (he is playing that position now and has been ok so its still early there). Then we took an injured WR, and a string of DB's who our coaching staff apparently thinks Bentley is the best of. Wow, thats about all I can say to that. If he's the best of the bunch then those picks are for shit. Ronnell Lewis was in that draft. The Hammer got hammered right out of the league in one year. Great pick that was. Tahir Whitehead cant be out Ashlee Palmer, but we traded up to get him. Travis Lewis will never play anything more than special teams and lord only knows whats up with Jonte Green.

2013 is way to early to tell.

So I guess we can sum that up by saying he has done an OK job in the first round and sucked donkey nuts in every other round. He's a great GM, I hope we keep him for another 10 years

 

[gvsulaker82]

Had actually typed about half of that out dr but just was like fuck it.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Oh arians was four times the coach schwartz was. The sad thing is who the fuck is arians?

I agree that Arians out-coached Schwartz, but saying "who the fuck is Arians" like he's some nobody coach is pretty off the mark, imo.

He won a Superbowl with the Steelers when he was their offensive coordinator, and then took the Colts to the playoffs last year on the strength of an 11-5 record with a rookie QB. He's a well-respected coach, just hasn't been a head coach prior to this year (save for that interim stint last season).

 

[tpaulus_2]

Yeah fox is starting because the lions were out of options. .

That's your opinion, and it's an incorrect one at that. They drafted Fox knowing he was injured and would take time to develop into a starter. When Cherilus' contract was up they were fine with letting him walk because they knew they had a capable starter in Fox.

mhFollet was a good special teams player but he wouldve never been any good on defense.

Also your opinion. Not a fact in any way, shape or form.

Fox may end up being decent but up to this point what is it three years later he hasnt proven anything.

He proved capable of winning the starting RT job this year in camp.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Also if you look through other teams late round picks from the same time frame how many current contributors do most teams come up with?

The problem here Mebert is that you're using logic in your argument. Some people don't want to look at what other teams have done, and they don't want to know what the norm is for the rest of the league. They just want to piss and moan and bitch because that's the way they're wired. They don't want to offer any solutions or discuss any solutions, because then they can't just bitch and vent non-stop.

I totally agree, though, and I'd challenge anyone to find a team who consistently finds contributors in the later rounds of the draft. It just doesn't happen.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I agree he got value out of a seventh round pick. Unfortunately getting value out of a seventh rounder usually will not lead to wins. Now if he could get value out of a pick between mid first and third they might go somewhere but he continues to draft bests, broyles, youngs, leshoures, bentleys etc. he wastes all of our valuable draft picks on clowns. His best pick was probably fairley at this point as suh and staff were arguably no brainers.

Lol, what a flawed process you operate on.

First you dismiss Mayhew's best two picks as "no brainers." Then you list a group of guys you apparently consider busts, even though three of them are still on the team. Leshoure had a productive rookie season, Broyles should give our passing game a huge boost when he returns, and Bentley gets called for a critical PI call and suddenly he's the new team goat... smh... Even Best wasn't a bad pick since concussions weren't the career-ending, media driven firestorm that they are today. Best is the poster-boy for concussions for a reason- because that shit didn't happen prior to him. Players were allowed to decide for themselves if they wanted to risk it or not.

His mid-round picks haven't all panned out (some have) but using the gift of hindsight to try to act like you would have done any better is pretty lame, imo...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Looking at mid first round and later im guessing most teams have had more success.

Key word there is "guessing", because that's all your'e doing, just guessing...

 

[Mebert]

I totally agree, though, and I'd challenge anyone to find a team who consistently finds contributors in the later rounds of the draft. It just doesn't happen.

Packers come close, they don't have any late round stars, but most contribute.