The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[thunderc]

No.

Because those were both shortened seasons.

Giannis because of COVID, Bron because of the lockout.

Killjoy

 

[Wamu]

Okay, so why would it be unacceptable to disregard defense for Luka?

Hey now don't bring up Luka's defense. This is about Jokic and how he sucks and didn't deserve either of his MVP's. Fuckin' system player!

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Hey now don't bring up Luka's defense. This is about Jokic and how he sucks and didn't deserve either of his MVP's. Fuckin' system player!

Jokic absolutely deserves one at this stage

3 ?

No

 

[Mecca]

Everyone's point is there has been a clear bar for a guy to get multiple mvps. LeBron and MJ should each have 10 plus MVPs.

But in the case of Jokic we are seemingly tossing out the repeat winner bar and giving it to him because VORP

I can only imagine what VORP looks like for MJ in 1996.

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10.8

Career VORP Leaders




Single Season leaders

 

[Duffman]

Career VORP Leaders

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Single Season leaders

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Damn, who knew MJ and Lebron were such VORP kings?

 

[Wamu]

Jokic absolutely deserves one at this stage

3 ?

No

Comparing Joker's numbers this season to his two previous MVP seasons and there are many similarities. Basically he's having another great season.

But I know how to properly fix this MVP thing. Give it to the bestest player on the bestest team, GOATum!

Celtics in three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mecca]

Hey now don't bring up Luka's defense. This is about Jokic and how he sucks and didn't deserve either of his MVP's. Fuckin' system player!

I hope that system player sits his ass out against my team tonight.

Sadly….

As evidenced earlier this season, that likely still wouldn’t be enough for the Paper Clips to get the W.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Career VORP Leaders

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Single Season leaders

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There ya go

MJ should have 7 minimum

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Wild that MJ and LeBron have 13 of the top 20

 

[Stakesarehigh]

And I'm sorry

The Jokic VORP is so much more hollow

 

[Duffman]

There ya go

MJ should have 7 minimum

Lebron should also have 5 instead of 4.

Are you saying they should go by VORP every year to determine the MVP?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Comparing Joker's numbers this season to his two previous MVP seasons and there are many similarities. Basically he's having another great season.

But I know how to properly fix this MVP thing. Give it to the bestest player on the bestest team, GOATum!

Celtics in three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So insightful as usual

 

[Mecca]

Comparing Joker's numbers this season to his two previous MVP seasons and there are many similarities. Basically he's having another great season.

That tracks.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Lebron should also have 5 instead of 4.

Are you saying they should go by VORP every year to determine the MVP?

No i think VORP is overrated when discerning someone like Jokic as to his overall value.

But at the same time it's telling that MJ and Jordan stand out.

There is a very clear mathematical reason why Jokic stands out on VORP. It is assists on offense and defensive rebounds.

He breaks the wheel in that sense.

 

[Wamu]

So insightful as usual

My bad mr. cranky. Should have included this for you- .

 

[Duffman]

That tracks.


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Slighty better than his 1st one and slightly worse than his 2nd one.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

My bad mr. cranky. Should have included this for you- View attachment 358797.

Pick a lane. Front run for Boston or Denver i guess

 

[fightinfunbags]

Damn, sounds like he’s a pretty valuable player if everything the Nuggets do run through him.

Every team has a player who plays that role. People think it’s unique because he’s a fat fuck.

 

[eaglesnut]

Yet the NBA doesn‘t consider Murray an All-Star so they favor Jokic more than other players who play with other All-Stars or Top 75 players.

Take it up with them.

Luka was expected to play better because of who he has as his #2, Jokic doesn’t have that. Fair or not that’s how things are.

Jokic would avg 30 if he was the best player in the league and if the rest of his team sucks as you say.

 

[Wamu]

Pick a lane. Front run for Boston or Denver i guess

Not front running for anything. Let's discuss PER. Who do you think is # 1 all time? You probably don't wanna talk about that stat.

I'm going by what the actual numbers (stats) say. I know some people don't like what the stats really say. -->People can be biased but the numbers never are.<--

So in your world if I talk about any players that means I'm front running? My goodness what happened to you?