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Yes, this is long but please bear with me....
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate today by asking, “Why do some people think Cincinnati "deserves" a shot at the playoffs?
This year, UC is 8-0 with wins vs (Massey Composite Ranking)
#7 Notre Dame (7-1) W 24 13
#53 Central Florida (5-3) W 56 21
#80 Indiana (2-6) W 38 24
#95 Miami (Ohio) (4-4) W 49 14
#100 Navy (2-6) W 27 20
#108 Tulane (1-7) W 31 12
#114 Temple (3-5) W 52 3
NR Murray State W 42 7
With this poor of a schedule how can anyone be confident that the win vs ND wasn’t a “fluke”? A “fluke” is like in 2018 when OSU lost to Purdue (6-7). We are confident that game was an aberration because OSU ended the season 13-1 with wins over 9-4 PSU, 9-5 NWU, 10-4 Wash, and 10-3 Mich. Another example is in 2014 when again OSU lost to VT (7-6) but finished 14-1 with wins over 11-2 Mich, 11-3 Wisc, 12-2 Alabama, and 13-2 Oregon to win the NC. How can we be sure the UC wins wasn’t a “Purdue” or a “VT” type win?
For ND we have some evidence that they are a decent team at 7-1 (but not playoff worthy) with wins vs
#9 Wisconsin (5-3) W 41 13
#22 Purdue (5-3) W 27 13
#44 North Carolina (4-4) W 44 34
#87 Toledo (4-4) W 32 29
#75 Virginia Tech (4-4) W 32 29
#71 Southern California (4-4) W 31 16
#79 Florida State (3-5) W 41 38
All 8 of ND opponents are better than 6 of UC victims.
Is there anything in UC past that might suggest they are capable of beating quality teams?
UC has been in the AAC since 2013. Before that they were in the Big East from 2005 - 2012.
During the 8 years UC was in the Big East they played during the regular season :
40 OOC games: 12 vs P6 of which 7 were ranked and UC was 1-6 (W was vs #25 Ore St)
...................................19 vs G5 of which none were ranked
.....................................9 vs FCS
56 IC games: all of which were P6.
...........................10 of which were ranked and UC was 4-6
Total 96 Games: 68 vs P6 of which 17 were ranked and UC was 5-12.
.....................................19 vs G5 of which none were ranked
.......................................9 vs FCS.
Things got worse for UC after 2012. During the 8 years UC has been in the AAC (2013-2020) they played during the regular season :
30 OOC games: 10 vs P5 of which 2 were ranked and UC was 0-2
...................................14 vs G5 of which none were ranked
.....................................6 vs FCS
64 IC games: all of which were G5
.............................9 of which were ranked and UC was 1-8 (W was vs #24 UCF)
Total 94 Games: 10 vs P5 of which 2 were ranked (0-2)
.....................................78 vs G5 of which 9 were ranked (1-8)
.......................................6 vs FCS
I don’t believe there is anything that suggests that the UC victory vs ND was anything other than an anomaly.
UC was in the worst of the P6 conferences and entered an even worse conference with the AAC. Both UC’s OOC and IC schedules are worse now than when they were in the Big East. UC has done nothing to bolster there resume'. Since the committee has bumped certain P5 teams from the playoffs because of their “poor SOS” (which I agree with) why are they even considering UC? Why are there TWO set of standards?
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate today by asking, “Why do some people think Cincinnati "deserves" a shot at the playoffs?
This year, UC is 8-0 with wins vs (Massey Composite Ranking)
#7 Notre Dame (7-1) W 24 13
#53 Central Florida (5-3) W 56 21
#80 Indiana (2-6) W 38 24
#95 Miami (Ohio) (4-4) W 49 14
#100 Navy (2-6) W 27 20
#108 Tulane (1-7) W 31 12
#114 Temple (3-5) W 52 3
NR Murray State W 42 7
With this poor of a schedule how can anyone be confident that the win vs ND wasn’t a “fluke”? A “fluke” is like in 2018 when OSU lost to Purdue (6-7). We are confident that game was an aberration because OSU ended the season 13-1 with wins over 9-4 PSU, 9-5 NWU, 10-4 Wash, and 10-3 Mich. Another example is in 2014 when again OSU lost to VT (7-6) but finished 14-1 with wins over 11-2 Mich, 11-3 Wisc, 12-2 Alabama, and 13-2 Oregon to win the NC. How can we be sure the UC wins wasn’t a “Purdue” or a “VT” type win?
For ND we have some evidence that they are a decent team at 7-1 (but not playoff worthy) with wins vs
#9 Wisconsin (5-3) W 41 13
#22 Purdue (5-3) W 27 13
#44 North Carolina (4-4) W 44 34
#87 Toledo (4-4) W 32 29
#75 Virginia Tech (4-4) W 32 29
#71 Southern California (4-4) W 31 16
#79 Florida State (3-5) W 41 38
All 8 of ND opponents are better than 6 of UC victims.
Is there anything in UC past that might suggest they are capable of beating quality teams?
UC has been in the AAC since 2013. Before that they were in the Big East from 2005 - 2012.
During the 8 years UC was in the Big East they played during the regular season :
40 OOC games: 12 vs P6 of which 7 were ranked and UC was 1-6 (W was vs #25 Ore St)
...................................19 vs G5 of which none were ranked
.....................................9 vs FCS
56 IC games: all of which were P6.
...........................10 of which were ranked and UC was 4-6
Total 96 Games: 68 vs P6 of which 17 were ranked and UC was 5-12.
.....................................19 vs G5 of which none were ranked
.......................................9 vs FCS.
Things got worse for UC after 2012. During the 8 years UC has been in the AAC (2013-2020) they played during the regular season :
30 OOC games: 10 vs P5 of which 2 were ranked and UC was 0-2
...................................14 vs G5 of which none were ranked
.....................................6 vs FCS
64 IC games: all of which were G5
.............................9 of which were ranked and UC was 1-8 (W was vs #24 UCF)
Total 94 Games: 10 vs P5 of which 2 were ranked (0-2)
.....................................78 vs G5 of which 9 were ranked (1-8)
.......................................6 vs FCS
I don’t believe there is anything that suggests that the UC victory vs ND was anything other than an anomaly.
UC was in the worst of the P6 conferences and entered an even worse conference with the AAC. Both UC’s OOC and IC schedules are worse now than when they were in the Big East. UC has done nothing to bolster there resume'. Since the committee has bumped certain P5 teams from the playoffs because of their “poor SOS” (which I agree with) why are they even considering UC? Why are there TWO set of standards?