Game of Thrones

[Superbelt]

Yes you could be right. Most seem to think this.

But then how would Arya know?

I think she got lucky, went for a chest stab, happened to be his weakness.

Or we get a flashback of Bran with her in the battle giving her instructions. Which would make his walkabout actually useful.

 

[Sparhawk]

So I'm guessing we are going to have a heavy dose of Bran this Sunday. Gonna need an explanation for why he warged away.

He was with the crows to ensure that everything was moving along as planned.
He had to know where the NK was at all times.

Of course, if the NK had simply sent in his WW lieutenants to finish off Theon/Ironborn/Bran......

 

[Superbelt]

He was with the crows to ensure that everything was moving along as planned.
He had to know where the NK was at all times.

Of course, if the NK had simply sent in his WW lieutenants to finish off Theon/Ironborn/Bran......

classic cocky villain critical mistake.

 

[Cyder]

So I'm guessing we are going to have a heavy dose of Bran this Sunday. Gonna need an explanation for why he warged away.

When I watched it again yesterday the crows seemed to be keeping tract of the Night King. Not sure what good it did, he didn't have much to prepare for as he was just the bait and his job was to sit there until the NK showed. Unless somehow he signaled to Arya to move when she did.

 

[flyerhawk]

He was with the crows to ensure that everything was moving along as planned.
He had to know where the NK was at all times.

Of course, if the NK had simply sent in his WW lieutenants to finish off Theon/Ironborn/Bran......

I dunno. I feel like it has to be something more important than that. No reason to even make a point of that, IMO.

 

[flyerhawk]

When I watched it again yesterday the crows seemed to be keeping tract of the Night King. Not sure what good it did, he didn't have much to prepare for as he was just the bait and his job was to sit there until the NK showed. Unless somehow he signaled to Arya to move when she did.

Yeah. I feel like there needs to be more than just "keeping tabs on the Night King"

 

[Cyder]

classic cocky villain critical mistake.

Just minus the monologue the cocky villain usually enjoys just before his plan goes to shit.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Yeah. I feel like there needs to be more than just "keeping tabs on the Night King"

Maybe he was warging a rat in the crypts to get an upskirt of Sansa's fire crotch?

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

After a few days away to reflect, and a second viewing:
I will probably take the unpopular opinion that this season has been "Meh"

The battle of Winterfell was ANTICLIMATIC for lack of a better word.
Sure, the effects were awesome. Sure the first 15 minutes of tension was some of the best in the series.
But, overall it felt somewhat formulaic and irrelevant in regards to its build up.

After 10 years of "WINTER is COMING" and the true battle is the living versus the dead.
It just seemed like it was tied up quickly and did not really advance anything other than deplete some troops.

We needed more devastating victories from the Night King over several episodes to build the climatic payoff.

But, instead he just sort of shows up, kills some secondary characters, and his entire army is defeated somewhat easily by a Death Star exhaust port moment.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

I don't remember ever reading specifically that Valryian steel being forged with Dragonfire, in fact that doesn't make sense, because Poppa Lannister had a smith sent over to melt down Ned Stark's blade to make the 2 smaller swords, and they certainly didn't have a dragon.

Well it's never been specifically confirmed because the weapons were forged in Valyria way before the story takes place. Nobody really knows. But at the time the weapons were forged dragons existed and there are instances in the story where it is mentioned that Valyrian steel is forged with magic and dragonfire.

This is the reason many believe that Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers in the books even though we've never seen it. The show seemed to confirm that these weapons can in fact kill White Walkers.

Valyrian steel is even called Dragonsteel at one point in the books.

That guy Tywin hired re-worked the steel, which is not the same thing as forging new Valyrian steel. That guy was also the only person in Westeros with the ability to re-work Valyrian steel.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Well it's never been specifically confirmed because the weapons were forged in Valyria way before the story takes place. Nobody really knows. But at the time the weapons were forged dragons existed and there are instances in the story where it is mentioned that Valyrian steel is forged with magic and dragonfire.

This is the reason many believe that Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers in the books even though we've never seen it. The show seemed to confirm that these weapons can in fact kill White Walkers.

Valyrian steel is even called Dragonsteel at one point in the books.

That guy Tywin hired re-worked the steel, which is not the same thing as forging new Valyrian steel. That guy was also the only person in Westeros with the ability to re-work Valyrian steel.

Tried to look this up and could not find a direction quote that states that dragonfire was used. However both GoT and ASOIAF wikis mention it with some references to chapters or episodes.

Valyrian steel

Valyrian steel

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

After a few days away to reflect, and a second viewing:
I will probably take the unpopular opinion that this season has been "Meh"

The battle of Winterfell was ANTICLIMATIC for lack of a better word.
Sure, the effects were awesome. Sure the first 15 minutes of tension was some of the best in the series.
But, overall it felt somewhat formulaic and irrelevant in regards to its build up.

After 10 years of "WINTER is COMING" and the true battle is the living versus the dead.
It just seemed like it was tied up quickly and did not really advance anything other than deplete some troops.

We needed more devastating victories from the Night King over several episodes to build the climatic payoff.

But, instead he just sort of shows up, kills some secondary characters, and his entire army is defeated somewhat easily by a Death Star exhaust port moment.

Stop being such a whiny bitch.

 

[Cyder]

Maybe he was warging a rat in the crypts to get an upskirt of Sansa's fire crotch?

Maybe he was warging a gerbil up his own arse. With the paralysis and all he probably has no led in the pencil so he'll have to go the prostate route.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Maybe he was warging a gerbil up his own arse.

That's some seriously kinky shit there, Cyder. Well played!

 

[Cave_Johnson]

As I recall, the aftershow indicated he had to be stabbed in the same place as when he was changed to the Night King.

So does that mean a blind luck hit directly to the heart, or does it mean getting stabbed while physically located at the Weirwood tree in Winterfell?

The latter of the two makes more sense. Only Bran would have know the correct location, and that would be why he set up shop in the godswood of Winterfell.

Yeah I don't think he HAD to be stabbed in either location in order to die. I think they wrote it in that he would die at that location and being stabbed in that spot just for poetic-ness or whatever.

Valyrian steel kills White Walkers straight up so it should not have mattered where he got stabbed.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

The POV are all central to the importance of the story though.

You know anyone who doesn't have their own POV chapters is just an also-ran.

Stannis is certainly a high 2nd-tier character.

Well that depends. Jon Connington is a POV character and he got written out of the show (essentially).

Barristan Selmy is a POV character and they killed him off in season 5 or something like he was nothing. I'm still annoyed by that. Grey Worm should have died. Grey Worm is the character that is nothing. If he died it would have saved us probably a solid 90 minutes of that meaningless story with him and Missandei. Exposing her jugs was about the only useful thing Missandei has done since season 5 anyway. Although I guess without her we wouldn't know that those two little kids in Winterfell are racist.

 

[ill]

The POV are all central to the importance of the story though.

You know anyone who doesn't have their own POV chapters is just an also-ran.

Stannis is certainly a high 2nd-tier character.

I feel like the Onion Night POV could have been told through Stannis...but Davos has a much more interesting story to tell. Davos POV is essentially there to tell the Stannis story

 

[Cave_Johnson]

I think they were simply talking about where his dragonglass heart is as far as being stabbed in the 'same location'.

That was his achilles heel. the source of all his power.

So if this is indeed the case, then Arya just got lucky that she stabbed at the right spot? And on top of that, the Night King's weak spot was one of the only spots on his abdomen that was not armored?

I think Valyrian steel just kills those fuckers and the showrunners were simply saying that they wanted him to get stabbed there so that there was some parallel or something between his creation and his death.

 

[Payton]

her magic was waning too, why it took so long to get trench lit

I actually thought she would raise Beric one last time and would die in the process... but then, that didn't happen.

 

[ElTexan]

HOW THE NIGHT KING SHOULD HAVE DIED:
1. Scene opens with night king and white walkers at the south, Theon and Bran by the weirwood tree to the north.
2. Bran thanks Theon and tells Theon he’s a good man.
3. Theon runs south at the night king with his spear.
4. The night king breaks the spear and thrusts the spear through Theon’s body.
5. Theon collapses just south of some obstruction (wall, fallen tree, rubble, etc), and he fades away to seeming death.
6. Night king and white walkers move north, and surround Bran in a semi circle.
7. Night King stares at Bran and ominously starts to take out his sword to deliver the coup de grace.
SO FAR, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL EXCEPT THEON FALLING BEHIND SOME OBSTRUCTION.
8. As the music swells with impending doom, you hear Theon scream “Don’t touch him. I’ll kill you!”
9. The perspective switches to Camera 1. The night king waves his hand instructing the semi circle to open revealing Theon-Alive crawling slowly toward the NK with the broken spear in his hand, the one previously in his chest.
10. Theon-A’s slow crawl and stumble lasts a long time as the scene gathers weight.
— Here, the audience starts thinking if there’s something to the whole Greyjoy “what is dead may never die” thing, or if this is the director’s way to buy time for Jon Snow to make his way to the Godswood.
11. Perspective switches to Camera 2. And we see Theon-A still stumbling and crawling toward NK. But the camera slowly starts backing up. And in backing up, it reveals the obstruction, and then —- Theon-Dead’s body lying lifeless behind the obstruction.
12. Before the audience can figure out what is going on, perspective switches to Camera 1. Theon-A crawls for about 2 more seconds, then in one motion: drops the broken spear, sprints like Usain Bolt, pulls a Valerian steel dagger, and leaps toward the NK.
13. NK catches the dagger arm with one hand and wraps the other hand around Theon-A’s throat.
14. NK smiles, but Theon-A smiles back bigger.
15. Theon-A drops the dagger into his other hand, and stabs the NK.
16. NK starts to die more slowly than in the original, the white walkers explode into thin air, wights explode into thin air all over Winterfell.
17. NK falls to his knees. Theon-A stands before him still holding the dagger in his hand as NK dies.
18. Theon-A rips off his face exposing Arya looking down at the dead Night King.
— This makes the scene more climactic. This is a better use of the face-swapping power than when Arya just out-of-left-field killed the Freys. This better justifies Arya’s season-long training away from the show’s main plot. This actually SHOWS how Arya could get to the NK despite being surrounded by white walkers. This is a better scene. #facelessdeath