Trade Deadline

[old duke]

Conley or Chris Harris. I liked Jim Schwartz, but I think maybe his ego is getting in the way. He is stubborn in his love for Mills, and/or changing up some schemes.

 

[old duke]

Derek Gunn/Barrett Brooks asking: Do you want DJAX back again? Word is he wants out, and TB may as well. Trade 2 mid-round picks? A 3rd this year and a cond. 4th next year? He would instantly open things up, and give us a dynamic punt returner.

 

[eaglesnut]

I'd give a 5th for Djax. Perhaps a 6th next year too conditional on games played.

 

[mannyz]

I'd give a 5th for Djax. Perhaps a 6th next year too conditional on games played.

I would be good with that. Maybe even a higher pick. DJax is a proven game breaker, he tends to disappear at times, but maybe Wentz could keep him in line.

 

[HuskerNGA]

If we give up a 3rd and a 4th for DJax I will call the cops on Howie as he is clearly on drugs lol I am not even sure I'd give up a 5th. Teams aren't exactly lining up for him. He is a one trick pony at this stage though still good at getting deep. I have no idea what his contract looks like either

 

[Orlando Eagles]

If we give up a 3rd and a 4th for DJax I will call the cops on Howie as he is clearly on drugs lol I am not even sure I'd give up a 5th. Teams aren't exactly lining up for him. He is a one trick pony at this stage though still good at getting deep. I have no idea what his contract looks like either

This helped my thoughts here. I am not feeling such high picks for him. I think the conversation was more couched in “how much would one be willing to give if they had to?” If that was the price it would take to get him I would not be interested.

But I believe the reality is it would be more like a 5th or a 6th with a conditional 6/7 next year. At that market price I really don’t think the Bucs want to move him. They likely still feel like they are hanging in there.

I think we are down to seeing if Wallace can do anything in a few weeks. I feel doubt that the speed will be there right away.

 

[Roy Munson]

You guys overvalue the fuck out of draft picks. Hmmm you can have DJax or Donnell Pumphrey (I don't even give a fuck if I spelled his name right).

Hell, name a 3rd or worse rounder the Eagles have drafted in the last 10 years you'd take over DJax. My guess is that number is less than 5.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

You guys overvalue the fuck out of draft picks. Hmmm you can have DJax or Donnell Pumphrey (I don't even give a fuck if I spelled his name right).

Hell, name a 3rd or worse rounder the Eagles have drafted in the last 10 years you'd take over DJax. My guess is that number is less than 5.

That’s a fair point. I guess when thinking future picks I often think “it’s not the devil you know....” meaning, who could we get with that pick next time around?

And more to the point....this season is proving lots of holes. Picks might be overvalued but when you need to replenish for going forward more picks gives you flexibility to move around and make the right picks.

 

[Roy Munson]

That’s a fair point. I guess when thinking future picks I often think “it’s not the devil you know....” meaning, who could we get with that pick next time around?

And more to the point....this season is proving lots of holes. Picks might be overvalued but when you need to replenish for going forward more picks gives you flexibility to move around and make the right picks.

but even if you get the guy you want, its a crap shoot. Coaching has as much to do with it as any 4th rounder's talent. Even look at the number of 1st and 2nd round picks that are still on our roster. Danny Watkins and Marcus Smith are completely out of football.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

but even if you get the guy you want, its a crap shoot. Coaching has as much to do with it as any 4th rounder's talent. Even look at the number of 1st and 2nd round picks that are still on our roster. Danny Watkins and Marcus Smith are completely out of football.

I would posit that the same dependence on factors, like coaching, matter for a player like DJax.

Essentially we are debating the idea of spending a, let’s say 4th rounder, on DJax. I think the big difference is that we talk about spending that on a proven player vs an unknown rookie. And I get that. DJax has proven himself in the pros.

He has also fit a mold the last few years of being a guy that has a few big games a year and is nonexistent in the rest. And Father Time tells me that this is the ceiling for him going forward.

Now....there could be other factors. For instance, we need speed. We don’t need 100 yds and a td every game. So maybe that increases his value to us. But that also has to be weighted against the fact he’s aging and could fall apart at any time.

With a young QB and all the future promise I would rather spend that 4th on the future and not the now. Let’s face it....Danny Watkins and Malcolm Smith don’t represent how they are evaluating talent and drafting now.

 

[Roy Munson]

I would posit that the same dependence on factors, like coaching, matter for a player like DJax.

Essentially we are debating the idea of spending a, let’s say 4th rounder, on DJax. I think the big difference is that we talk about spending that on a proven player vs an unknown rookie. And I get that. DJax has proven himself in the pros.

He has also fit a mold the last few years of being a guy that has a few big games a year and is nonexistent in the rest. And Father Time tells me that this is the ceiling for him going forward.

Now....there could be other factors. For instance, we need speed. We don’t need 100 yds and a td every game. So maybe that increases his value to us. But that also has to be weighted against the fact he’s aging and could fall apart at any time.

With a young QB and all the future promise I would rather spend that 4th on the future and not the now. Let’s face it....Danny Watkins and Malcolm Smith don’t represent how they are evaluating talent and drafting now.

I'm just saying I see trading picks for proven players over potential for a team that isn't in rebuild mode. Picks can very easily be the next Marcus Smith, Jaiquawn Jarrett, or name your bust. I like that we have been successful lately, but it could go the other way next year.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

I'm just saying I see trading picks for proven players over potential for a team that isn't in rebuild mode. Picks can very easily be the next Marcus Smith, Jaiquawn Jarrett, or name your bust. I like that we have been successful lately, but it could go the other way next year.

I totally get your point....in fact it has impacted my own thinking a little.
I still also wonder the same thing about a trade. Trades can also easily be for a complete bust as well. Perhaps not as likely as drafting....but they can.

You also prompted a question in my mind.....we certainly are not rebuilding at all. But.....by the end of the year are we going to realize we are in need of "restocking" to a good degree? How things have gone so far it at least puts the question on the horizon.

All of that said.....I will say if the Eagles give a 4th this year I would not object. Fact remains that this year we need a guy who can take the top off.

 

[djm]

I am not worried about draft picks I am more worried about the cap hit of a player we bring in. From what I have heard we have very little this and look really bad for 20109. I wouldn't want to bring in Djax if it costs us Brandon Graham.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

I am not worried about draft picks I am more worried about the cap hit of a player we bring in. From what I have heard we have very little this and look really bad for 20109. I wouldn't want to bring in Djax if it costs us Brandon Graham.

That’s a good point I haven’t thought about.

I just looked. His cap number next year is 10M. But, it has zero dead money. While I’m not sure if there is weird implications in a trade it looks like we could shed him next year with no impact. We will be having to shed or amend plenty of guys anyway.

That really puts him in the frame of a “this year rental”. Perhaps he could resign with us next year at a very favorable number....but I don’t know if he would.

So....in all likelihood we are spending the pick on his help this year. And with how this year has gone do we? We’ve all said it already....we are currently not one player away.

 

[mall3013]

NFL trade rumors: Dolphins moving DeVante Parker? Raiders dealing Karl Joseph? Latest on Steelers' Le'Veon Bell

I'd take Joseph in a minute. Sign me up!

 

[Orlando Eagles]

NFL trade rumors: Dolphins moving DeVante Parker? Raiders dealing Karl Joseph? Latest on Steelers' Le'Veon Bell

I'd take Joseph in a minute. Sign me up!

I like this. The contract and cap make for a really smart “look and see”. Reasonable costs and we could be out totally free and clear by next season if it were an abomination.

Counter point....if he really works out well we would have another (possibly) starting CB to sign during a year we would need to be shedding salary.

 

[mall3013]

I like this. The contract and cap make for a really smart “look and see”. Reasonable costs and we could be out totally free and clear by next season if it were an abomination.

Counter point....if he really works out well we would have another (possibly) starting CB to sign during a year we would need to be shedding salary.

I think so. I will do some more research, but this is a start.
How Howie Roseman can get Eagles under salary cap next offseason

Philadelphia Eagles 2019 Salary Cap

 

[old duke]

I am not worried about draft picks I am more worried about the cap hit of a player we bring in. From what I have heard we have very little this and look really bad for 20109. I wouldn't want to bring in Djax if it costs us Brandon Graham.

BG may not be back next year.

 

[mall3013]

BG may not be back next year.

Yeah. I think this is it for BG. Howie will find his replacement in the draft imo. That will free up some big cap space along with Foles leaving.

 

[old duke]

More rumors that Howie is talking with the Bills again about Shady. The Bills are not going anywhere, and they need more draft picks, so who knows? I'm fine with it for a 2 year deal, and not giving up any primo picks.