Saquon Barkley

[averagejoe]

Here's a list of all the RB drafted 1-5 overall going back to 1980.
Some HOF names.
But not all had stellar first seasons.

 

[ehb5]

best back in the league upside, bahahah

How is that funny? Thats completely reasonable

 

[SteelersPride]

How is that funny? Thats completely reasonable

this season..........

 

[Sgt Brutus]

I think he will be productive, but I’m not taking him until the second round. Let someone else over value him, been seeing him go 5 and 6 in mocks. Giants are too bad of a team. Zeke went to the best OLine in the league.

My first pick HAS to be a hit. The risk with a rookie RB on a shit team is too great.

 

[eaglesnut]

Ok so you are saying that someone that has never played a down of NFL football will have a better career then Charles, Tomlinson, Peterson, Alexander, and LeVeon Bell amongst others.

I didn't say that. But Charles and Alexander he'll surpass quite easily and quickly. You want to miss his first year. That's fine, but he'll never be value for you any year ever then. Just like Tomlinson wasn't and AP wasn't. It becomes more about the order the owner names come out of the hat. Without a top pick, you'll only be playing against him.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I didn't say that. But Charles and Alexander he'll surpass quite easily and quickly. You want to miss his first year. That's fine, but he'll never be value for you any year ever then. Just like Tomlinson wasn't and AP wasn't. It becomes more about the order the owner names come out of the hat. Without a top pick, you'll only be playing against him.

So he'll be drafted between 2-4 instead of 6-8

Missing out on 1/4 of a single round in value isn't a big deal, imo

Not like you're getting him at a discount, its your 1st round pick no matter what

 

[ehb5]

We will see

Kareem Hunt crashed into the rookie wall last season, and is now dealing with Spencer Wares return, and he's a first rounder

There is some risk with many guys that will go in Round One

But you know what you're getting with Gordon, Hunt and Kamara.. a lead back on a good offense with good OC calling the plays.

Barkley is on a subpar offense who may be passing more to stay on games. With an enigma at QB, a diva at WR (ODB), and supposedly a reliable TE target in Engram.

Sure, the Giants may come out running to start games, but will they have to abandon that game plan by halftime? Does ODB start throwing fits he's not getting enough looks?

And how does Barkley/Giants fair against the first 6 defenses they face which include JAX, CAR and PHI?

Kamara, Hunt and Gordon seem like much safer picks.

Or hes on a team loaded with talent to open things up. And passing more wont hurt him since hes an excellent receiver. Passing off playing with obj as a negative is pretty absurd imo.

 

[ehb5]

Do you mind sharing whatever you are smoking?


Barkley is a legit RB that will put up good numbers in FF, but to say he is the best in a generation is a little much.

Best prospect in a generation is fair

 

[ehb5]

this season..........

I mean that doesn't really change anything. It's not like RBs need much development. He certainly COULD be the best back in the league this year.

 

[TREFF]

I mean that doesn't really change anything. It's not like RBs need much development. He certainly COULD be the best back in the league this year.

COULD is much different than what's being thrown out there in this instance.

 

[ehb5]

COULD is much different than what's being thrown out there in this instance.

Not really. Argument was he has best back in the league upside. SP laughed at that idea. It's more laughable to think that isnt possible than that it is possible.

 

[averagejoe]

Passing off playing with obj as a negative is pretty absurd imo.

It's a valid point.
But the point I was making is that Barkley may not be the focal point of the offense. I'm sure he'll be a big part....

If some are arguing that Kamara is part of an RBBC and a team notorious for spreading the ball around...
And if some are arguing that one reason Hunt is effective is when Kelce or Tyreek is on the field to take attention away from the run....
....then WHY aren't these same arguments applied to Barkley who is essentially in the same exact type of scenario?

 

[ehb5]

It's a valid point.
But the point I was making is that Barkley may not be the focal point of the offense. I'm sure he'll be a big part....

If some are arguing that Kamara is part of an RBBC and a team notorious for spreading the ball around...
And if some are arguing that one reason Hunt is effective is when Kelce or Tyreek is on the field to take attention away from the run....
....then WHY aren't these same arguments applied to Barkley who is essentially in the same exact type of scenario?

Well im not saying that you should only apply those arguments to some people. In fact i think seeing how successful people like Bell, Kamara, Hunt, etc are with other dominant weapons in their offenses goes to show that you WANT players in good offenses and therefore having people like OBJ and Engram around is really a very good thing.

 

[TREFF]

Not really. Argument was he has best back in the league upside. SP laughed at that idea. It's more laughable to think that isnt possible than that it is possible.

Naw, not really. Statement was he WILL be. Entirely different than could be, might be, potential to be. And in that subtle difference is where the laugh-ability lies

 

[SteelersPride]

Naw, not really. Statement was he WILL be. Entirely different than could be, might be, potential to be

He did say could, and I still call BS

 

[TREFF]

He did say could, and I still call BS

Than I stand corrected..stop laughing at people

 

[averagejoe]

Well im not saying that you should only apply those arguments to some people. In fact i think seeing how successful people like Bell, Kamara, Hunt, etc are with other dominant weapons in their offenses goes to show that you WANT players in good offenses and therefore having people like OBJ and Engram around is really a very good thing.

And I do agree with you.
But the fact remains he is a rookie.
There is a level of risk there.
So draft him in a redraft league ahead of Kamara and Hunt is a risk imo.

If Bark gets 100 yds on opening day against the Jags, I'll eat crow. And if he doesn't hit the rookie wall after game 12 I'll eat crow again.

 

[ehb5]

He did say could, and I still call BS

I call BS on your BS!! HA!!

 

[ehb5]

And I do agree with you.
But the fact remains he is a rookie.
There is a level of risk there.
So draft him in a redraft league ahead of Kamara and Hunt is a risk imo.

If Bark gets 100 yds on opening day against the Jags, I'll eat crow. And if he doesn't hit the rookie wall after game 12 I'll eat crow again.

For sure. Totally agree with the risk aspect. But the upside from the jump is monstrous too.

 

[SteelersPride]

I call BS on your BS!! HA!!

Ha deal