Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)

[chf]

POST MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS


I don't understand how you can't see it.

I liked Clarke's role, but the rest of the women in the movie had spotlight moments--the center of the scene where something important happens not to mention that each one checked a different box on the diversity checklist:
--Young white girl lead
--Lady Proxima is the ugly alien, Fagin-like crime boss
--old street-wise black lady sacrifices herself to save the group
--mouthy female droid makes dirty jokes and crusades for "rights"
--the meddlesome pirate is a racially mixed girl who got the job from her mother and we're led to believe that they are the beginning of the rebellion

Some of this would've been fine, but all of it together in this movie made it too thick and overdone. By the end, I half-expected the head of Crimson Dawn to be a sexy female alien.

You know perfectly well that It's not so all or nothing. When it hits the right spot, you don't even notice it, but when it's forced, it sticks out in an awkward way and that's what happened here. It doesn't make it a bad movie at all--it was good imo--but pretending it's not there doesn't help.

Do we need to list all the male characters in the movie? Hey that dwarf was a guy! That should've been a female dwarf!


Really?

good grief.

 

[RobBase]

You seem to be saying they're all going to be bad moving forward.

meh.

Clint still has one good film in him. If he does another good film, I'll shell out the money to see it.

Apparently that's too risky for you. You might see some feminist propaganda.

I definitely think all the Star Wars movies written by these feminists will continue be uninteresting.

Missed your point bringing up Clint Eastwood in a Star Wars thread.

 

[Xponentialchaos]

All fair points.

My criticisms of it was way to much CGI. Anakin's turn still seemed to quick and forced (no pun intended). Hayden Christensen still whined the whole movie.

General Greivous was too ridiculous.

Padme's death was horribly done (she died of a broken heart, give me a break) and also created a major continuity error with Return of the Jedi (Leia having memories of her mother).

I agree on each of those points. I think The Clone Wars has provided some much needed depth into why Anakin went to the dark side.

IMO the movie’s shortcomings are out-done by the continuity of both trilogies that I experienced when I first watched it. Like a single puzzle piece connecting everythigg together.

 

[Superbelt]

I don't buy this, but its hard to deny the way Star Wars went about introducing Rey was all wrong. I have absolutely no problem with her being the lead, welcomed the idea in fact. I thought it was a fresh take on the story, particularly that of force-sensitive characters, but whoever is writing these things don't know what they're doing. They made her too perfect, she is virtually flawless at everything. She has no arc whatsoever, and the only possible arc they were playing for in TFA had its throat slashed by Rian Johnson in TLJ (what is Rey's lineage). They wanted to diversify, but at the same time, didn't want her to have any flaws either and that makes for a dull character. Even against her archenemy, she's never had so much as a struggle.

I don't have a problem at all with the diverse casting of Finn either, but the writers literally don't know what to do with him. He's played basically a sniveling coward for two movies, and his only real heroic act was interrupted by the most pointless character in all of SW (even Jar Jar served a purpose). Canto Bight was a waste of screen time, just to cram in how terrible rich people are. But I guess they had to give Finn something to do.

I find the Rey character to be heavily in service to Kylo and Finn. She doesn't work at all without them.

 

[night]

I have to say these past few Star Wars movies have had a 0/10 story. The die hards have to be the only ones left watching this franchise.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

What was with those hips too. People couldn't figure out she was feminine by her voice? Do "female" droids need different hips from "male" ones?

I loved L3's voice (like Phasma's). Good point on the hips.

 

[Duffman]

I'll take an SJW forced Last Jedi over the if Michael Bay directed a Star Wars movie also known as Rogue One crap we got. I've seen people talk bad about the Solo movie calling it unneeded and a waste of time and yet completely overlook that that movie was also unneeded and a waste of time.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

I have absolutely no idea what you are seeing.
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In terms of lines this film was about 90% male.

But you think this movie is forcing identity politics into it?

No. I said the female spotlighting was overdone and layed on too thick. "Some of this would've been fine, but all of it together in this movie made it too thick and overdone. By the end, I half-expected the head of Crimson Dawn to be a sexy female alien."

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Do we need to list all the male characters in the movie? Hey that dwarf was a guy! That should've been a female dwarf!

Really?

good grief.

Flyerhawk beat you to that point without a point and you're mischaracterizing what I said. That aside, Yes. Really. See posts #144 and 167 for explanations.

 

[flyerhawk]

No. I said the female spotlighting was overdone and layed on too thick. "Some of this would've been fine, but all of it together in this movie made it too thick and overdone. By the end, I half-expected the head of Crimson Dawn to be a sexy female alien."

So the problem is that they overdid it by giving various minor characters to women while keeping all the major characters male?

I'm really not seeing it at all. I sorta get it with TFA and TLJ but it really doesn't make any sense here. Other than the obligatory love interest there are maybe 10 lines spoken by women and almost all of them are CGI characters.

I just don't get why that matters to anyone.

 

[jjc2009]

While we’re on the subject, just how much Ewok shit do you think was at the bottom of those trees on Endor?

 

[chf]

I definitely think all the Star Wars movies written by these feminists will continue be uninteresting.

Missed your point bringing up Clint Eastwood in a Star Wars thread.

Yeah, you didn't miss the point, or maybe I'm giving you waaaay too much credit?

 

[chf]

Flyerhawk beat you to that point without a point and you're mischaracterizing what I said. That aside, Yes. Really. See posts #144 and 167 for explanations.

I suspect you're going in with an expectation and then confirmation bias is rearing it's ugly head. Every time you see someone with a vagina on the screen, you're checking off an internal checklist.

What FH and I are pointing out, is that you're ignoring all the male characters in the movie.

If you want to argue that adding in more female roles is a bad thing, I guess you can. What % will satisfy you?

 

[RobBase]

Yeah, you didn't miss the point, or maybe I'm giving you waaaay too much credit?

Clint Eastwood is a based patriot. He hates Hollywood. That's why he started making his own movies and casting his own actors. There is 0% risk of seeing feminist propaganda in his films. But if he decided to make movies about feminism, it wouldn't interest me either.

 

[chf]

Clint Eastwood is a based patriot. He hates Hollywood. That's why he started making his own movies and casting his own actors. There is 0% risk of seeing feminist propaganda in his films. But if he decided to make movies about feminism, it wouldn't interest me either.

The point I'm trying to make is that I agree with almost nothing Eastwood has to say politically. But he CAN be a hell of a director. I'll watch his films if they're good films.

THAT's the point. I can judge his work on its own merits, and leave MY interpretation of him as an activist at home. What the fuck have they got to do with the movie.

I'm challenging you to do the same.

But I suspect you're too much a snowflake to do that.

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I call b.s. on your basic premise above, anyway. Eastwood BECAUSE he tells good stories, has motivated characters. His movies HAVE a pov on society, and either they work or they don't.

Million Dollar Baby could definitely be seen as a 'feminist' movie. Gran Torino can definitely be seen as a movie with a message about racism.

I guess Clint is just a SJW at heart.

 

[RobBase]

The point I'm trying to make is that I agree with almost nothing Eastwood has to say politically. But he CAN be a hell of a director. I'll watch his films if they're good films.

THAT's the point. I can judge his work on its own merits, and leave MY interpretation of him as an activist at home. What the fuck have they got to do with the movie.

I'm challenging you to do the same.

But I suspect you're too much a snowflake to do that.

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I call b.s. on your basic premise above, anyway. Eastwood BECAUSE he tells good stories, has motivated characters. His movies HAVE a pov on society, and either they work or they don't.

Million Dollar Baby could definitely be seen as a 'feminist' movie. Gran Torino can definitely be seen as a movie with a message about racism.

I guess Clint is just a SJW at heart.

I understand your point. The difference is I don't care. Go see any movie you want or don't.

My point is after seeing TLJ and wondering wtf I just watched, it made sense after finding out who wrote and directed it. Knowing the same crew wrote Soylo, I have no interest in it.

Obviously my lack of interest in the movie upsets you, resulting in you calling me names. Don't care about that either.

 

[Superbelt]

So the problem is that they overdid it by giving various minor characters to women while keeping all the major characters male?

I'm really not seeing it at all. I sorta get it with TFA and TLJ but it really doesn't make any sense here. Other than the obligatory love interest there are maybe 10 lines spoken by women and almost all of them are CGI characters.

I just don't get why that matters to anyone.

Like in Rogue One. The main character was a woman.

EVERYONE else in the movie was a man. I just checked the IMDB, outside of some extras, the other female parts were Cameos with Mon Mothma and Leia to tie into the OT, and Jyn's mom.

And that was some SJW feminist bullshit because there was a strong female lead.

You put a woman in with a plot of her own, in any way whatsoever, and it's feminist SJW bullshit.

 

[Superbelt]

I understand your point. The difference is I don't care. Go see any movie you want or don't.

My point is after seeing TLJ and wondering wtf I just watched, it made sense after finding out who wrote and directed it. Knowing the same crew wrote Soylo, I have no interest in it.

Obviously my lack of interest in the movie upsets you, resulting in you calling me names. Don't care about that either.

SO uninterested, you have to let us know repeatedly in this thread how uninterested you are in this movie.

 

[flyerhawk]

Like in Rogue One. The main character was a woman.

EVERYONE else in the movie was a man. I just checked the IMDB, outside of some extras, the other female parts were Cameos with Mon Mothma and Leia to tie into the OT, and Jyn's mom.

And that was some SJW feminist bullshit because there was a strong female lead.

You put a woman in with a plot of her own, in any way whatsoever, and it's feminist SJW bullshit.

That's what is really amazing about all of this. This whole SJW argument is based on the premise that women shouldn't really be in action movies. That's just strange.

 

[RobBase]

SO uninterested, you have to let us know repeatedly in this thread how uninterested you are in this movie.

I'm having a conversation with @chf and my lack of interest appears to be the topic.