Rumors Gruden Will Be Fired At End Of Season

[kbso83432]

I'm not totally opposed to holding on to Gruden, but he's terrible when it comes to game situations and clock management. He also doesn't appear to run a very tight ship. The culture change that SM brought is now gone again. The leaks are back and yet again don't have a football man making the football decisions.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Washington Redskins Team Encyclopedia | Pro-Football-Reference.com

History doesn't lie & Snyder's history is just flat out awful. He inherited a team that went 10-6 in his initial season & that made 3/4 winning seasons. Since that time they have had 4 winning seasons (1 barely), 3 .500 seasons & 9 losing seasons. They are working on their 10th losing season during his reign.

They struggled with legendary coaches in Gibbs & Shanahan & did poorly under joke coaches Zorn & Spurrier. They didn't give a chance to Marty who may have been one of their better coaches. Gruden is likely in the middle & is not necessarily given what he needs to get things done.

They have been mired in controversy almost the entire time & for the most part have been the laughing stock of the NFL. Just when things appeared to be heading in the rt direction with the hiring of an actual GM they not only fired him but try to portray him as an out-of-control drunk (which has subsequently never even remotely been proven true). During all of this they make a circus out of the contract situation for their QB when they could have either signed him or parted ways & made possibly the worst financial decisions in the process.

This is the history of Dan Snyder. Yes - they have been snake bit by injuries this season, but you have to believe it goes deeper. What in the world makes any of us believe that this will get better to the pt where they can have a consistently successful team for more than a year or two in a row? This organization consistently gets in its own way & all it starts at the top. For God's sake Snyder - take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself "What am I doing wrong & what does this team need to do to head in the right direction?". My guess is that his excessive ego will never allow him to think in this manner.

 

[Stymietee]

Wasn't it reported that Scotty Mac was of a mind that KC had reached his ceiling in late 2015. And had advised Snyder/Allen is wasn't worth franchise QB money? Also, Scotty Mac's FA signings and drafts haven't been hellified or anything special.

I'm of the same opinion as @SoCalWizFan. Snyder is the reason this team is totally fuckin discombobulated. Though I disagree with him far as Snyder not caring about winning. I believe he wants to win. He'd be insane not to. He'll never be loved like JKC was/is because Snyder's a fuckin ass0 who's already done too much shit in the past to be forgotten. It could be forgiven if the Skins became a winner again under Snyder's ownership. The disdain and disgust that we (Skins fans) now hold for Snyder would ease into a state of apathy and an acceptance of sorts. Like @kbso83432 says though, Snyder can't get out his own way

Problem is Snyder owns the product and unless he either sells or retires in some form or the other, he's not going anywhere. So it really comes down to hoping that repeated failures compels him to try what's been proven to work in the NFL. However, that requires Snyder to have a 180 degree change of mind.

Now, I don't have much hope in Dan firing Bruce because, I believe that the slimy, sleazy Allen is stringing Dan along while doing his bidding from time to time. For the record, this is his M.O. I call it the "start-over, not my fault" strategy and it begins and ends with Bruce buying more time because the person or persons that he's hired becomes the fall guy for failures. Zorn, nor Shanahan, to whom he ceded his GM duties, never really had a chance to succeed primarily because of sabotage from Allen. Who didn't know at the time that Zorn was unqualified? Need I go into the whole Griffin thing to rehash Shanahan's demise? Knowing that he'd really not chance doing away with a third HC (Gruden) he brings in SM, who promptly forces his hand to reluctantly take over GM duties for the reasons given. The reason for the "start-over, not my fault" this time will be Kirk Cousins. Installing a new QB, even if that QB comes in setting the league on fire, buys him at least a few more years or just enough time to set up his next great escape....you know....just in case!

 

[Stymietee]

Washington Redskins Team Encyclopedia | Pro-Football-Reference.com

History doesn't lie & Snyder's history is just flat out awful. He inherited a team that went 10-6 in his initial season & that made 3/4 winning seasons. Since that time they have had 4 winning seasons (1 barely), 3 .500 seasons & 9 losing seasons. They are working on their 10th losing season during his reign.

They struggled with legendary coaches in Gibbs & Shanahan & did poorly under joke coaches Zorn & Spurrier. They didn't give a chance to Marty who may have been one of their better coaches. Gruden is likely in the middle & is not necessarily given what he needs to get things done.

They have been mired in controversy almost the entire time & for the most part have been the laughing stock of the NFL. Just when things appeared to be heading in the rt direction with the hiring of an actual GM they not only fired him but try to portray him as an out-of-control drunk (which has subsequently never even remotely been proven true). During all of this they make a circus out of the contract situation for their QB when they could have either signed him or parted ways & made possibly the worst financial decisions in the process.

This is the history of Dan Snyder. Yes - they have been snake bit by injuries this season, but you have to believe it goes deeper. What in the world makes any of us believe that this will get better to the pt where they can have a consistently successful team for more than a year or two in a row? This organization consistently gets in its own way & all it starts at the top. For God's sake Snyder - take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself "What am I doing wrong & what does this team need to do to head in the right direction?". My guess is that his excessive ego will never allow him to think in this manner.

If we are to take Snyder at his word, that he owns the team and his also a fan, we must also consider how he's being used by those that he trusts to run his team. For as much as we all knew that the 36 million fine levied upon this team was BS, let us not forget that legal or not, doing what led to it, was all on Allen and his insistence that he could create cap space in the uncapped year. Yep the league was wrong in its' determination but it doesn't happen at all if Allen had reassurances instead of his country mile wide ego to do what he did. To me that was enough to fire the guy then post a giant dick pic in the ring of fame with his name on it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If we are to take Snyder at his word, that he owns the team and his also a fan, we must also consider how he's being used by those that he trusts to run his team. For as much as we all knew that the 36 million fine levied upon this team was BS, let us not forget that legal or not, doing what led to it, was all on Allen and his insistence that he could create cap space in the uncapped year. Yep the league was wrong in its' determination but it doesn't happen at all if Allen had reassurances instead of his country mile wide ego to do what he did. To me that was enough to fire the guy then post a giant dick pic in the ring of fame with his name on it.

Agreed but in the end Snyder has the power to fire Allen. Also - this type of crap has been going on well before Allen & Snyder is the only common person during this long reign of failure.

 

[Breed]

Problem is Snyder owns the product and unless he either sells, retires, or dies, in some form or the other, he's not going anywhere.

I figure I'll be taking a dirt nap long before any of the 3 happen.

So it really comes down to hoping that repeated failures compels him to try what's been proven to work in the NFL. However, that requires Snyder to have a 180 degree change of mind.

This ^^^^^ is the hope and the dream. What a shitty thing for us to have to hang our hats on.

 

[kbso83432]

Honestly, I really hope they don't fire Jay. It would be just like the Skins to scapegoat him. He deserves another shot with a healthy team and a competent WR corps.

No line
No RB
No Wr's
Lost his play caller and did a better job than most expected.

The Bengals are really missing Jay and Zimmer right now. We have much bigger issues than Jay.

 

[skinzfan]

Injuries aside, they don't have the talent to compete, that's on Allen.

Successful teams have committed to a QB. Redskins have not committed to a QB. KC has been here long enough to figure that out, that's on Allen.

Allen needs to go.

 

[Sharkinva]

Injuries aside, they don't have the talent to compete, that's on Allen.

Successful teams have committed to a QB. Redskins have not committed to a QB. KC has been here long enough to figure that out, that's on Allen.

Allen needs to go.

What we have is another line in the sand moment where some one needs to go. Sadly I dont think it will be Allen.

The QB is gone, the coach might be gone. Bruce Allen aint going anywhere. Come draft time Bruce will have half the fanbase convinced that we needed to move on from Cousins. A week before the draft we will make the trade up. Losing out the season is exactly what Bruce is hoping for at this point.

 

[kbso83432]

Any idea what realistic compensation we could get for Cousins, if any? Excuse me if it's already been discussed.

 

[Stymietee]

I figure I'll be taking a dirt nap long before any of the 3 happen.



This ^^^^^ is the hope and the dream. What a shitty thing for us to have to hang our hats on.

This too, is exactly why it's pointless to build up hope year after year after year knowing that the 180 has not happened. Granted there are some folks who actually enjoy being fussy and it's possible that in doing so there's some therapeutic value for them but that's just a waste of time for me.

BTW: Reading, and at times responding, to some of the outrage others post/express, really does make spending time here interesting and entertaining.

 

[Sharkinva]

Any idea what realistic compensation we could get for Cousins, if any? Excuse me if it's already been discussed.

Well we know we can get a 3rd rounder if we let him hit free agency unrestricted.

Aside from that, its all about speculation. The franchise tag SAYS we will get two first rounders. But realistically we wont. I know some will pound the table that we will. But I have reminded them numerous times, we didnt get any where near two first rounders for Champ Bailey... and the Redskins actually WANTED to keep him.

SO if he is dealt via the franchise tag, I would say we will get a 1st and a 3rd.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Who Could Replace Jay Gruden as Head Coach of the Redskins?

Not saying that Gruden will be gone, but this list is entertaining. I can't believe that they actually placed Saban on this list - he likely will end his career in AL & no way in hell that he agrees to work w/ Allen & Snyder.

 

[kbso83432]

Well we know we can get a 3rd rounder if we let him hit free agency unrestricted.

Aside from that, its all about speculation. The franchise tag SAYS we will get two first rounders. But realistically we wont. I know some will pound the table that we will. But I have reminded them numerous times, we didnt get any where near two first rounders for Champ Bailey... and the Redskins actually WANTED to keep him.

SO if he is dealt via the franchise tag, I would say we will get a 1st and a 3rd.

I'd hate to see him leave, but you have to think at this point it's a matter of when not if. Firing Bruce snd making him the highest paid player in the league would probably do it, but I don't see either of those happening.

They CANNOT allow him to leave without compensation. I'd take a 1st this year and a 3rd next year if the alternative is losing him for nothing next year after we've missed out on key free agents this year including our own because we have 34 tied up in Kirk.

 

[Breed]

This too, is exactly why it's pointless to build up hope year after year after year knowing that the 180 has not happened. Granted there are some folks who actually enjoy being fussy and it's possible that in doing so there's some therapeutic value for them but that's just a waste of time for me.

I wish I could prevent myself from building up hope, but shit homey. That's all I got left.

BTW: Reading, and at times responding, to some of the outrage others post/express, really does make spending time here interesting and entertaining.

Word.

 

[Stymietee]

Who Could Replace Jay Gruden as Head Coach of the Redskins?

Not saying that Gruden will be gone, but this list is entertaining. I can't believe that they actually placed Saban on this list - he likely will end his career in AL & no way in hell that he agrees to work w/ Allen & Snyder.

Interesting that the guy that I believe to be the next HC in D.C. is on the list. I've said it after Shanahan and I'll say it again IF (and I still think that it's a HUGE IF) Gruden is let go.

The next HC here must be David Shaw....current HC at Stanford U and a great pick for this organization. This becomes an exceptional choice especially if Allen is no longer here to sabotage his efforts!!

 

[Sharkinva]

I'd hate to see him leave, but you have to think at this point it's a matter of when not if. Firing Bruce snd making him the highest paid player in the league would probably do it, but I don't see either of those happening.

They CANNOT allow him to leave without compensation. I'd take a 1st this year and a 3rd next year if the alternative is losing him for nothing next year after we've missed out on key free agents this year including our own because we have 34 tied up in Kirk.

And thats awesome. I have resigned to the idea that Kirk is gone.

But knowing this... do you REALLY trust Bruce with two first rounders to NOT trade both those picks plus another one to grab HIS QB? And make no mistake the QB we draft will have nothing to do with whats best for the offense we run, or the team. Pick the QB with the biggest buzz, the guy who is going to sell jerseys and is proclaimed the next elite QB to change the game... thats who Bruce is going to draft. And I fully expect him to trade up in order to assure he gets HIS guy.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And thats awesome. I have resigned to the idea that Kirk is gone.

But knowing this... do you REALLY trust Bruce with two first rounders to NOT trade both those picks plus another one to grab HIS QB? And make no mistake the QB we draft will have nothing to do with whats best for the offense we run, or the team. Pick the QB with the biggest buzz, the guy who is going to sell jerseys and is proclaimed the next elite QB to change the game... thats who Bruce is going to draft. And I fully expect him to trade up in order to assure he gets HIS guy.

Assuming that Darnold does not come out this year who do you believe is their guy?

 

[Sharkinva]

Assuming that Darnold does not come out this year who do you believe is their guy?

Actually I think even if Darnold does come out... there guy is Jackson

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Actually I think even if Darnold does come out... there guy is Jackson

If they make an RG3 type trade for this guy they are out of their minds! He is not of the same caliber of Luck or RG3 (in terms of their status pre-draft). On some of the mock drafts he is viewed as being mid 1st rd or later. Not saying that he won't do well in the NFL, but he is not viewed that way at the current time.