Your top 3 NL and AL MVP and Cy Young Award Votes

[Omar 382]

AL MVP:
1. Josh Donaldson
2. Mike Trout
3. Lorenzo Cain

AL CYA:
1. Dallas Keuchel
2. Chris Archer
3. Chris Sale

NL MVP:
1. Bryce Harper
2. Joey Votto
3.Paul Goldschmidt

NL CYA:
1. Clayton Kershaw
2. Zach Greinke
3. Jake Arrieta

 

[WestCoastPhan]

I can't vote because I haven't watched the other teams much this year. But choosing a NL MVP from 3 teams that won't make the playoffs really is not right. Mets, Cards, Cubs, Pirates, or the Dodgers must have a couple of MVP candidates?

 

[Retroram52]

Makes two of us Westcoast.

 

[Cedrique]

Yeah, I haven't followed closely enough either but I agree Harper has to be there even if his team has underachieved. I didn't realize Votto was having that good a year. He has been under the radar I guess because the Reds suck this year. In reality I don't think he'll get that many votes because I think the voters overvalue RBIs and he doesn't have that many

 

[Omar 382]

Yeah, I think the whole "you don't win the MVP award if your team doesn't make the playoffs" argument is BS. If you're the best player in the league, you're the best player in the league. Capeche?

 

[WestCoastPhan]

Or a better question is...if Bryce Harper is so fuvking good

Yeah, I think the whole "you don't win the MVP award if your team doesn't make the playoffs" argument is BS. If you're the best player in the league, you're the best player in the league. Capeche?

I hear you and agree to a certain extent, but if a guy like Bryce Harper is so valuable, then why is Washington so fucked up? Are you saying that the Nats would be fighting the Phils for the #1 pick without Harper? (Btw- lol to the "capiche")

 

[Omar 382]

Or a better question is...if Bryce Harper is so fuvking good

I hear you and agree to a certain extent, but if a guy like Bryce Harper is so valuable, then why is Washington so fucked up? Are you saying that the Nats would be fighting the Phils for the #1 pick without Harper? (Btw- lol to the "capiche")

If you put McCutchen or Cespedes on the Nats, they still wouldn't make the playoffs. Harper can't help that Werth and Desmond suck, and that Fister, Gonzalez, and Strasburg have been largely mediocre, and he definitely can't help that Storen was a dumb ass and slammed his locker shut and broke his thumb, ending his season.

 

[jvett77]

It's a done deal.

NL MVP - Bryce Harper, 22, .333/.464/.649, 35 HR, 85 RBI, 8.9 WAR
AL MVP - Josh Donaldson, 29, .307/.374/.590, 38 HR, 119 RBI, 8.2 WAR

 

[jvett77]

It's in the bag.

AL CY - Dallas Keuchel, 27, HOU, LHP, 17-7, 2.22, 1.00 WHIP, 192 K, 46 BB, 7.1 WAR
NL CY - Zack Greinke, 31, LAD, RHP, 16-3, 1.68 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 174 K, 32 BB, 7.9 WAR

 

[Omar 382]

It's in the bag.

AL CY - Dallas Keuchel, 27, HOU, LHP, 17-7, 2.22, 1.00 WHIP, 192 K, 46 BB, 7.1 WAR
NL CY - Zack Greinke, 31, LAD, RHP, 16-3, 1.68 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 174 K, 32 BB, 7.9 WAR

Kershaw's FIP and xFIP are better than Greinke's, and he has pitched nearly 10 more innings

 

[jvett77]

Kershaw's FIP and xFIP are better than Greinke's, and he has pitched nearly 10 more innings

Greinke has won 4 more games than Kershaw (13-6, 2.15) and has a better ERA in the same number of games pitched (28). Leaderboard stats use FIP and that makes Kershaw's WAR higher than Greinke. Kershaw's 259 K, 32 BB is damn impressive but I think Greinke deserves the award and will get it.

 

[Omar 382]

Greinke has won 4 more games than Kershaw (13-6, 2.15) and has a better ERA in the same number of games pitched (28). Leaderboard stats use FIP and that makes Kershaw's WAR higher than Greinke. Kershaw's 259 K, 32 BB is damn impressive but I think Greinke deserves the award and will get it.

Wins are obviously a useless stat. Kershaw's ERA is a lot higher, and that's why it was very hard for me to pick him over Greinke, but he has had worse luck, as evidenced by the two's vast difference in xFIP. Kershaw has a ridiculously unlucky 11% HR/FB ratio, whereas Greinke's is only 6.8% (league average is about 10%).

 

[jvett77]

HR/FB. Will need to look that up..

 

[jvett77]

Home Run to Fly Ball rate (HR/FB). Just learned of it. Too obscure to take into consideration. IMO. There are short fences and high fences, there's the weather factor, plus I read that "Pitcher HR/FB ratios have also been shown to vary considerably from year to year, meaning they have limited predictive value."

Since they both play on the Dodgers, the fence excuse is not important for the two pitchers. Here's another reason for my Greinke vote. He has 3 more QSs. Plus 4 more wins and vastly lower ERA. It's a done deal. Go with Greinke.

 

[Omar 382]

I think there is a case for Greinke, but it doesn't lie in Quality Starts and Wins. I'm still going with Kershaw though

 

[jvett77]

I think there is a case for Greinke, but it doesn't lie in Quality Starts and Wins. I'm still going with Kershaw though

You have to look at the full picture.

I would rather have a guy at 17-3, 1.68 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 182 K, 34 BB, 27 QS, 8.5 standard WAR
than a guy at ____________13-6, 2.15 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 259 K, 36 BB, 24 QS, 6.5 standard WAR

It's amazing how close these two are. But, Kershaw is left-handed, hairier, four years younger, may have more to learn, and I believe he is a cross dresser. I wish McPhail could buy them both.

 

[Cedrique]

Or a better question is...if Bryce Harper is so fuvking good

I hear you and agree to a certain extent, but if a guy like Bryce Harper is so valuable, then why is Washington so fucked up? Are you saying that the Nats would be fighting the Phils for the #1 pick without Harper? (Btw- lol to the "capiche")

I don't know about that, but I bet if you put Harper in the Phillies lineup and made Washington replace him with someone like Brown or Asche the gap between the two teams would be narrowed considerably

 

[jvett77]

How did I miss Jake Arietta, now 21-5, 1.88.