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evolver115
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I copied my post from the MLB main board on here to put it on the pirates board:
What is most upsetting to me since the new regime has taken over for Littlefield with new GM Neal Huntington and President Frank Coonely, is their ability in evaluating major and minor league talent. Allow me to elaborate...
In late 2007, a decision was made amongst these two men that the only way to put a winner back in Pittsburgh was to blow up the existing major league roster. I've put together a list of players that were sent away, and what those players subsequently brought in return.
12/07 Salomon Torres traded for Marino Salas and Kevin Roberts
(pirates lost this trade)
3/08 Todd Redmond traded for Tyler Yates
(even)
7/08 Xavier Nady, Damaso Marte traded for Jeff Karstens, Dan McCutchen, Ross Olendorf and Jose Tabata
(pirates won this trade)
7/08 Jason Bay traded for Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris
(pirates epic loss in this trade)
8/08 Jose Bautista traded for Robinson Diaz
(Pirates epic loss in this trade)
12/08 Ronny Paulino traded for Jason Jaramillo
(pirates lost this trade)
6/09 Nate Mclouth traded for Charlie Morton, Jeff Locke and Gorkys Hernandez
(pirates lost this trade)
6/09 Nyjer Morgan Sean Burnett traded for Joel Hanrahan and lastings Milledge
(even)
7/09 Adam Laroche traded for Argenis Diaz and Hunter Strickland
(pirates lost this trade)
7/09 Jack Wilson and Ian Snell traded for Nate Adcock, Jeff Clement, Ron Cedeno, Brett Lorin and Aaron Pribanic
(pirates lost this trade)
7/09 Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson
(Pirates epic loss in this trade)
7/09 Jon Grabow and Tom Gorzolanny traded for Jose Ascaino,Kevin Hart and Josh Harrison
(pirates epic loss in this trade)
11/09 Jessie Chavez traded for Aki Iwamura
(pirates epic loss in this trade)
It seems like a daunting task to have this many flame outs over a two year period since these clowns have taken over, but this is REAL!!!!
Our best players before Neal and Frank took over were Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Damaso Marte, John Grabow, Freddy Sanchez, Jack Wilson and Salomon Torres. On lesser abilities our second tier talent was Tom Gorzolanny(rotation in CHI), Adam Laroche(starts for ARZ), Jose Bautista(All-Star, leads MLB in HR's), Ronny Paulino(starts for FLA) and Nate Mclouth(bench player in ATL).
The absolute only trade of the above mentioned 12 players that brought back a return that could be viewed as a win would be the trade of Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte for Ross Olhendorf, Jose Tabata, Jeff Karstens and Dan Mcutchen. The only win was a return of two back of the rotation pitchers, a singles hitting left fielder and a unproven SP back in AAA. All other trades are failures bordering on the minor up to EPIC proportions.
The pirates may have changed the GM and President, but the song painfully remains the same.
What is most upsetting to me since the new regime has taken over for Littlefield with new GM Neal Huntington and President Frank Coonely, is their ability in evaluating major and minor league talent. Allow me to elaborate...
In late 2007, a decision was made amongst these two men that the only way to put a winner back in Pittsburgh was to blow up the existing major league roster. I've put together a list of players that were sent away, and what those players subsequently brought in return.
12/07 Salomon Torres traded for Marino Salas and Kevin Roberts
(pirates lost this trade)
3/08 Todd Redmond traded for Tyler Yates
(even)
7/08 Xavier Nady, Damaso Marte traded for Jeff Karstens, Dan McCutchen, Ross Olendorf and Jose Tabata
(pirates won this trade)
7/08 Jason Bay traded for Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris
(pirates epic loss in this trade)
8/08 Jose Bautista traded for Robinson Diaz
(Pirates epic loss in this trade)
12/08 Ronny Paulino traded for Jason Jaramillo
(pirates lost this trade)
6/09 Nate Mclouth traded for Charlie Morton, Jeff Locke and Gorkys Hernandez
(pirates lost this trade)
6/09 Nyjer Morgan Sean Burnett traded for Joel Hanrahan and lastings Milledge
(even)
7/09 Adam Laroche traded for Argenis Diaz and Hunter Strickland
(pirates lost this trade)
7/09 Jack Wilson and Ian Snell traded for Nate Adcock, Jeff Clement, Ron Cedeno, Brett Lorin and Aaron Pribanic
(pirates lost this trade)
7/09 Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson
(Pirates epic loss in this trade)
7/09 Jon Grabow and Tom Gorzolanny traded for Jose Ascaino,Kevin Hart and Josh Harrison
(pirates epic loss in this trade)
11/09 Jessie Chavez traded for Aki Iwamura
(pirates epic loss in this trade)
It seems like a daunting task to have this many flame outs over a two year period since these clowns have taken over, but this is REAL!!!!
Our best players before Neal and Frank took over were Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Damaso Marte, John Grabow, Freddy Sanchez, Jack Wilson and Salomon Torres. On lesser abilities our second tier talent was Tom Gorzolanny(rotation in CHI), Adam Laroche(starts for ARZ), Jose Bautista(All-Star, leads MLB in HR's), Ronny Paulino(starts for FLA) and Nate Mclouth(bench player in ATL).
The absolute only trade of the above mentioned 12 players that brought back a return that could be viewed as a win would be the trade of Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte for Ross Olhendorf, Jose Tabata, Jeff Karstens and Dan Mcutchen. The only win was a return of two back of the rotation pitchers, a singles hitting left fielder and a unproven SP back in AAA. All other trades are failures bordering on the minor up to EPIC proportions.
The pirates may have changed the GM and President, but the song painfully remains the same.