Soto

[calsnowskier]

Lots of talk about him. I figure he deserves his own thread.

the Giants are of the front runners per rumors. Also, it is assumed that the Nats will require that Patrick Corbin be part of the deal, which should lessen the prospect package going back. And the Giants are well positioned to take on money.

Corbin is owed 24.4m in ‘23 and 35.4m in ‘24.

The Giants currently have 89m on the books for ‘23 and 14.2m for ‘24. That includes Rodon’s 22.5m, which Rodon will likely void.

The Nats also have Strasburg who, after this season, has 4/140m remaining and is out for this year and has a history of major injury issues. Maybe we can take him and lessen the prospect load even further.

The Nats are allegedly trying to shed salary in preparing for a sale. Shedding both Corbin and Strasburg could be too much for them to turn away from. Maybe taking both of them off their books could make it a Soto, Corbin, Strasburg for Ramos?

 

[jeep99tj]

Why not sit out the trade deadline and go after Judge. You don’t give anything up and sign a top tier free agent. Soto will cost prospects and in a year will want to negotiate a huge contract. Cut the loses and go for the hometown boy.

 

[calsnowskier]

Why not sit out the trade deadline and go after Judge. You don’t give anything up and sign a top tier free agent. Soto will cost prospects and in a year will want to negotiate a huge contract. Cut the loses and go for the hometown boy.

I still have questions about Judge’s long term potential. Big guys rarely have long careers (there are exceptions, I understand that). But I am OK with making a push for judge in the off season as things sit right now.

But Soto looks like something special. And he is only 23.

I don’t know. I keep flip flopping on my own opinion about going for him. I don’t want to part with Luciano or Harrison, but just about everyone else is fair game. But I fear it will cost BOTH Luciano and Harrison. I am trying to look at the whole picture and see if there is a way to avoid that. And utilizing a current strength (we have LOTS of room in payroll) could help lessen that load.

 

[jeep99tj]

I still have questions about Judge’s long term potential. Big guys rarely have long careers (there are exceptions, I understand that). But I am OK with making a push for judge in the off season as things sit right now.

But Soto looks like something special. And he is only 23.

I don’t know. I keep flip flopping on my own opinion about going for him. I don’t want to part with Luciano or Harrison, but just about everyone else is fair game. But I fear it will cost BOTH Luciano and Harrison. I am trying to look at the whole picture and see if there is a way to avoid that. And utilizing a current strength (we have LOTS of room in payroll) could help lessen that load.

My son and I had this very same conversation the other day. We agreed that Judge would be the better option in terms of giving up no one. Soto, while very intriguing, would cost players we have been waiting on to mature enough to get to the show plus big money if, that’s the huge part, he wants to stay. In my opinion I say wait the season out and go for Judge. I think he’s got some years left to keep us in the hunt every year and maybe put us over a time or two.

 

[calsnowskier]

My son and I had this very same conversation the other day. We agreed that Judge would be the better option in terms of giving up no one. Soto, while very intriguing, would cost players we have been waiting on to mature enough to get to the show plus big money if, that’s the huge part, he wants to stay. In my opinion I say wait the season out and go for Judge. I think he’s got some years left to keep us in the hunt every year and maybe put us over a time or two.

Judge is currently 30. He will be 31 on April 26 (a few weeks into the season).

He currently make 19m this year.

I would assume he would demand something like a 8/200m (25m aav) to lock him in. Maybe an 8/240m (30m aav)? We would get maybe 3 solid/AS level seasons out of that.

Yikes.

 

[tzill]

My son and I had this very same conversation the other day. We agreed that Judge would be the better option in terms of giving up no one. Soto, while very intriguing, would cost players we have been waiting on to mature enough to get to the show plus big money if, that’s the huge part, he wants to stay. In my opinion I say wait the season out and go for Judge. I think he’s got some years left to keep us in the hunt every year and maybe put us over a time or two.

Well, two big differences between Soto and Judge
1. Age: 23 vs. 30
2. Help this year vs. next

Lots of other differences too, but I'd hope they seriously try to do both.

And then go for Ohtani next off season.

 

[jeep99tj]

I’d love to have Soto based on his age plus potential in the future. The only worry is giving up some top prospects that are supposed to fill holes in the next year or two for something not guaranteed past next season. If they could ensure him staying in the long run that would be fine, but there would still be holes to fill.

 

[pachyderm]

The only problem with Judge is we can't get him now, right?

I'd like to have him as well if he is a Giants fan that would be really neat.

But if we're trying to salvage this season then Judge is too long term.

 

[tzill]

I’d love to have Soto based on his age plus potential in the future. The only worry is giving up some top prospects that are supposed to fill holes in the next year or two for something not guaranteed past next season. If they could ensure him staying in the long run that would be fine, but there would still be holes to fill.

I believe he is under team control through the 2024 season.

 

[jeep99tj]

I believe he is under team control through the 2024 season.

My understanding is he is signed through next year. I could be wrong.

 

[jeep99tj]

I believe he is under team control through the 2024 season.

He will be a FA in 2025. My bad on that one.

 

[LHG]

GM: Nationals Won't Use Soto To Dump Corbin Contract

Nationals GM Mike Rizzo stated today that he won't "dilute" a trade return by attaching a bad contract to Juan Soto or Josh Bell. More at MLBTR.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[calsnowskier]

GM: Nationals Won't Use Soto To Dump Corbin Contract

Nationals GM Mike Rizzo stated today that he won't "dilute" a trade return by attaching a bad contract to Juan Soto or Josh Bell. More at MLBTR.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

We out…

 

[pachyderm]

We out…

We shouldn't be in that market anyway.

Dump who we can start the rebuild right now and possibly, quite possibly, rid ourselves of Kap as well.

His "new age music and crystals" approach is growing old.

 

[calsnowskier]

We shouldn't be in that market anyway.

Dump who we can start the rebuild right now and possibly, quite possibly, rid ourselves of Kap as well.

His "new age music and crystals" approach is growing old.

I am no Kap fan, but he did win 107 and MOY last year. And he and FZ are apparently not only on the same page, but on the same character. The shortest tenured manager for the Giants in the last 35 years was Alou. The Giants dont churn their managers.

 

[LHG]

I am no Kap fan, but he did win 107 and MOY last year. And he and FZ are apparently not only on the same page, but on the same character. The shortest tenured manager for the Giants in the last 35 years was Alou. The Giants dont churn their managers.

I don't like quick triggers for managers. He needs to show, for multiple years, that 107 was an aberration before being let go.

 

[tzill]

We shouldn't be in that market anyway.

Dump who we can start the rebuild right now and possibly, quite possibly, rid ourselves of Kap as well.

His "new age music and crystals" approach is growing old.

Typical knee jerk reaction.

1. They are not going to "rebuild" by "dumping who we can." It just isn't going to happen.
2. Kap can't make a mittfuckery, slow roster play sure handed and fast.
3. Best we can hope for is to be non-buyers

 

[pachyderm]

Typical knee jerk reaction.

1. They are not going to "rebuild" by "dumping who we can." It just isn't going to happen.
2. Kap can't make a mittfuckery, slow roster play sure handed and fast.
3. Best we can hope for is to be non-buyers

Typical head in the sand reaction.

 

[msgkings322]

I am no Kap fan, but he did win 107 and MOY last year. And he and FZ are apparently not only on the same page, but on the same character. The shortest tenured manager for the Giants in the last 35 years was Alou. The Giants dont churn their managers.

Also, the manager isn't why they aren't winning.

If anything FZ might be the culprit. Also winning 107 games, which was kind of flukey. Made us think just run the same guys back.

Turns out, last year all the gambles paid off, plus vets like Belt and Crawford and Posey had near or full career years. The bullpen pitched well. Etc. This year those gambles are mostly coming back to Earth, Bart is a bust, Belt and Craw are bad, etc. It's not on Kapler.

 

[pachyderm]

Also, the manager isn't why they aren't winning...

Ya sure...?