Rating the Giants Starters 9/22 addition

[gp956]

#1 Matt Cain
#2 Jonathon Sanchez
#2 Madison Bumbargner
#2 Tim Lincecum
#3 Barry Zito

 

[msgkings322]

I'd drop MadBum to #3 with Barry but otherwise solid.

Would you really be equally ok with MadBum or Timmy on the mound?

 

[tzill]

I've got Chez as a #1 now with Cainer. Otherwise, spot on. Oh, and was the thread title subtle Teets humor?

 

[filosofy29]

I'd drop MadBum to #3 with Barry but otherwise solid.

Would you really be equally ok with MadBum or Timmy on the mound?

I believe it's how they would rank compared to their peers. If I have all 5 pitchers well rested and ready to start a playoff game, I think everybody would choose Timmy unless he had horrible #'s against said team and Cain had ownage on said team.

I don't think this is indicative of his personal opinion.

 

[msgkings322]

I believe it's how they would rank compared to their peers. If I have all 5 pitchers well rested and ready to start a playoff game, I think everybody would choose Timmy unless he had horrible #'s against said team and Cain had ownage on said team.

I don't think this is indicative of his personal opinion.

I misunderstood, didn't think it was a data ranking, thought it was 'gp's list'

 

[gp956]

It's a data driven "ranking" - I'll post the ratings of all the starters of the teams still alive, once I settle on a formatting option.

 

[tzill]

Yeah, the ranking thing goes back to an earlier thread where GP came up with a pretty good model for ranking starters into #1, #2, #3, and #4 classes. I do a much rougher one based (mostly) on ERA and WHIP. Chez just recently became a #1.

Your question of "would you feel equally comfortable" is a pretty good one. By my rankings, I should feel equally comfortable with either Cain or Chez on the mound. I should also feel equally comfortable with either Bum or Timmy. Zeets is a #3 so I should feel less comfortable with him than anybody else.

Ceteris paribus, of course.

In truth, I feel more comfortable with Cain than Chez, and by a good bit. Timmy and Bum feel equally strong to me, and Zeets would be my last guy. So, I guess my rankings are pretty good, excepting Chez, who "feels" more like a 2 or 3 than an ace.

 

[msgkings322]

Yeah, the ranking thing goes back to an earlier thread where GP came up with a pretty good model for ranking starters into #1, #2, #3, and #4 classes. I do a much rougher one based (mostly) on ERA and WHIP. Chez just recently became a #1.

Your question of "would you feel equally comfortable" is a pretty good one. By my rankings, I should feel equally comfortable with either Cain or Chez on the mound. I should also feel equally comfortable with either Bum or Timmy. Zeets is a #3 so I should feel less comfortable with him than anybody else.

Ceteris paribus, of course.

In truth, I feel more comfortable with Cain than Chez, and by a good bit. Timmy and Bum feel equally strong to me, and Zeets would be my last guy. So, I guess my rankings are pretty good, excepting Chez, who "feels" more like a 2 or 3 than an ace.

That's pretty bold (pun intended). Agree to disagree on that one.

 

[gp956]

Yeah, the ranking thing goes back to an earlier thread where GP came up with a pretty good model for ranking starters into #1, #2, #3, and #4 classes. I do a much rougher one based (mostly) on ERA and WHIP. Chez just recently became a #1.

Your question of "would you feel equally comfortable" is a pretty good one. By my rankings, I should feel equally comfortable with either Cain or Chez on the mound. I should also feel equally comfortable with either Bum or Timmy. Zeets is a #3 so I should feel less comfortable with him than anybody else.

Ceteris paribus, of course.

In truth, I feel more comfortable with Cain than Chez, and by a good bit. Timmy and Bum feel equally strong to me, and Zeets would be my last guy. So, I guess my rankings are pretty good, excepting Chez, who "feels" more like a 2 or 3 than an ace.

Right now, Cain is the last of the #1's, and J Sanchez is the first of the #2's.

 

[tzill]

Right now, Cain is the last of the #1's, and J Sanchez is the first of the #2's.

That's pretty close to what I have too. I think Chez is the penultimate #1, and Cainer is last.

 

[gp956]

Rating Player Starts ERA

ATL
1 Tim Hudson 31 2.61
2 Tommy Hanson 31 3.62
3 Kris Medlen 14 3.68
3 Derek Lowe 31 4.18
4 Jair Jurrjens 20 4.64
5 Kenshin Kawakami 16 5.15
5 Mike Minor* 8 6.18

CIN
2 Johnny Cueto 29 3.35
2 Travis Wood* 15 3.43
3 Bronson Arroyo 31 3.98
3 Sam LeCure 6 4.17
4 Mike Leake 22 4.23
4 Edinson Volquez 11 4.45
4 Homer Bailey 17 4.73
5 Aaron Harang 19 5.1

PHI
1 J.A. Happ* 3 1.76
1 Roy Oswalt 30 2.9
1 Roy Halladay 32 2.53
1 Vance Worley 1 2.57
1 Cole Hamels* 31 2.93
2 Nelson Figueroa 1 3.46
4 Kyle Kendrick 29 4.78
4 Jamie Moyer* 19 4.84
5 Joe Blanton 26 5.04

SDP
1 Chris Young 2 0.9
1 Tim Stauffer 4 1.99
1 Mat Latos 28 2.84
2 Clayton Richard* 31 3.53
2 Jon Garland 31 3.55
4 Wade LeBlanc* 25 4.25
4 Cory Luebke* 3 4.6
5 Kevin Correia 26 5.4

SF
1 Matt Cain 31 3
2 Jonathan Sanchez* 30 3.21
2 Madison Bumgarner* 16 3.27
2 Tim Lincecum 31 3.6
3 Barry Zito* 31 3.98
5 Todd Wellemeyer 11 5.68

COL
1 Ubaldo Jimenez 30 2.84
2 Jhoulys Chacin 19 3.3
3 Jorge de la Rosa* 18 4.22
4 Jason Hammel 28 4.56
4 Jeff Francis* 17 4.61
5 Aaron Cook 23 5.08
5 Esmil Rogers 7 5.29
5 Greg Smith* 8 6.23