Ranking NL Staffs using FIP

[gp956]

Average Starters Rank:


1.80 Nationals
2.00 Cardinals
2.40 Dodgers
2.60 Giants
2.60 Marlins
2.75 Mets
2.80 Pirates
2.83 Phillies
3.00 Diamondbacks
3.20 Braves
3.20 Brewers
3.20 Cubs
3.20 Padres
3.25 Astros
3.60 Reds
4.33 Rockies


We sort all pitchers who have started a game and had a minimum of 30IP by FIP. We then define groupings of these pitchers every 160 starts, the first of these groups are designated as #1 starters. Each subsequent group of 160 is incremented by 1, until all pitchers are ranked. We then sort the rankings by team and average the rankings to obtain the list you see above.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

NATS!!!!!

 

[gp956]

NATS!!!!!

Gio...nice pick up.

 

[gp956]

Here's the data:

Pitcher             Team         Rank   ERA   FIP
Wandy Rodriguez    Astros         2	2.49	3.43
Bud Norris         Astros         3	4.52	3.77
J.A. Happ          Astros         4	4.37	4.42
Lucas Harrell      Astros         4	4.71	4.38

Tim Hudson         Braves         1	4.6	3.07
Brandon Beachy     Braves         2	1.77	3.18
Randall Delgado    Braves         4	4.58	4.37
Tommy Hanson       Braves         4	3.84	4.08
Mike Minor         Braves         5	6.98	5.37

Zack Greinke       Brewers        1	3.46	2.04
Shaun Marcum       Brewers        2	3.63	3.53
Yovani Gallardo    Brewers        3	4.22	3.79
Marco Estrada      Brewers        5	4.8	5.1
Randy Wolf         Brewers        5	5.73	4.67

Lance Lynn         Cardinals      1	2.54	3.04
Jaime Garcia       Cardinals      1	3.78	2.5
Kyle Lohse         Cardinals      2	3.36	3.61
Adam Wainwright    Cardinals      3	4.45	3.81
Jake Westbrook     Cardinals      3	3.84	3.68

Jeff Samardzija    Cubs           1	3.09	3
Ryan Dempster      Cubs           2	2.9	3.49
Chris Volstad      Cubs           4	7.46	3.98
Matt Garza         Cubs           4	4.22	4.32
Paul Maholm        Cubs           5	4.62	5.56

Wade Miley         Diamondbacks   1	2.27	2.91
Trevor Cahill      Diamondbacks   3	3.96	3.71
Joe Saunders       Diamondbacks   4	3.61	3.99
Ian Kennedy        Diamondbacks   4	4.26	3.96

Clayton Kershaw    Dodgers        1	2.42	3.12
Chris Capuano      Dodgers        2	2.14	3.27
Ted Lilly          Dodgers        3	3.14	3.85
Aaron Harang       Dodgers        3	4.14	3.83
Chad Billingsley   Dodgers        3	4.09	3.92

Matt Cain          Giants         1	2.79	2.94
Madison Bumgarner  Giants         2	3.14	3.67
Tim Lincecum       Giants         3	5.82	3.72
Ryan Vogelsong     Giants         3	2.36	3.75
Barry Zito         Giants         4	3.41	4.6

Josh Johnson       Marlins        1	4.83	3.01
Anibal Sanchez     Marlins        1	2.57	2.65
Carlos Zambrano    Marlins        3	3	3.89
Ricky Nolasco      Marlins        4	4.26	4.12
Mark Buehrle       Marlins        4	3.26	3.93

Johan Santana      Mets           1	2.75	2.69
R.A. Dickey        Mets           2	3.06	3.63
Dillon Gee         Mets           3	4.69	3.82
Jonathon Niese     Mets           5	4.55	4.66

Stephen Strasburg  Nationals      1	2.64	2.55
Gio Gonzalez       Nationals      1	2.04	1.94
Ross Detwiler      Nationals      2	3.88	3.54
Edwin Jackson      Nationals      2	3.17	3.33
Jordan Zimmermann  Nationals      3	2.8	3.68

Cory Luebke        Padres         1	2.61	2.74
Edinson Volquez    Padres         2	3.46	3.55
Anthony Bass       Padres         3	4.12	3.69
Jeff Suppan        Padres         5	5.28	5.54
Clayton Richard    Padres         5	4.76	4.61

Cole Hamels        Phillies       1	2.43	2.96
Cliff Lee          Phillies       2	3	3.26
Roy Halladay       Phillies       2	3.98	3.22
Kyle Kendrick      Phillies       4	3.25	4.2
Vance Worley       Phillies       4	3.07	4.14
Joe Blanton        Phillies       4	4.96	4.16

James McDonald     Pirates        1	2.2	2.42
A.J. Burnett       Pirates        2	3.6	3.29
Erik Bedard        Pirates        2	3.12	3.34
Charlie Morton     Pirates        4	4.65	4.1
Kevin Correia      Pirates        5	4.3	5.17

Johnny Cueto       Reds           2	2.54	3.62
Bronson Arroyo     Reds           3	3.59	3.73
Mike Leake         Reds           4	5.47	4.59
Homer Bailey       Reds           4	3.73	4.37
Mat Latos          Reds           5	4.58	4.89

Juan Nicasio       Rockies        3	5.11	3.93
Jeremy Guthrie     Rockies        5	5.48	6.15
Jamie Moyer        Rockies        5	5.7	5.47

 

[mistgl]

Going by FIP, Tim is getting boned by his defense and GB finding small holes. Taking a second look, a lot of the struggling ace are.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Gio...nice pick up.

Yeah, that made me very happy. I posted about it on the Nats board when it happened but I am the only person to read or post there.

 

[gp956]

Going by FIP, Tim is getting boned by his defense and GB finding small holes. Taking a second look, a lot of the struggling ace are.

FIP loves the strikeouts.

 

[gp956]

Yeah, that made me very happy. I posted about it on the Nats board when it happened but I am the only person to read or post there.

:smile:. Oh man, that's too bad. You can come here to post about the Nats. They're a good young team.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Next series, i will jump into the GNTs!

 

[SFAnthem]

:smile:. Oh man, that's too bad. You can come here to post about the Nats. They're a good young team.

They got the FP Santangelo magic over there

 

[filosofy29]

Bum says:

 

[Stokes1931]

Bum says:

Kruk and Kuip were counting "snot rockets" from Bum last season.

 

[gp956]

Bum says:

I wonder what AngryBochy has to say about that!

 

[Stokes1931]

I wonder what AngryBochy has to say about that!

Doesn't look they were heading in his direction! :eek2:

 

[tzill]

Average Starters Rank:


1.80 Nationals
2.00 Cardinals
2.40 Dodgers
2.60 Giants
2.60 Marlins
2.75 Mets
2.80 Pirates
2.83 Phillies
3.00 Diamondbacks
3.20 Braves
3.20 Brewers
3.20 Cubs
3.20 Padres
3.25 Astros
3.60 Reds
4.33 Rockies


We sort all pitchers who have started a game and had a minimum of 30IP by FIP. We then define groupings of these pitchers every 160 starts, the first of these groups are designated as #1 starters. Each subsequent group of 160 is incremented by 1, until all pitchers are ranked. We then sort the rankings by team and average the rankings to obtain the list you see above.

I think that's too broad a sweep. I'd be interested in the same sort using 50IP and 3 starts.

 

[gp956]

Doesn't look they were heading in his direction! :eek2:

Read Madbum's lips after the snot rockets.

 

[gp956]

I think that's too broad a sweep. I'd be interested in the same sort using 50IP and 3 starts.

What change in the list would you expect to see?

 

[gp956]

OK tzill, here are the pitchers who would not make your cut:

Name            team         starts
Tim Hudson      Braves       7
Marco Estrada   Brewers      6
Chris Volstad   Cubs         8
Wade Miley      Diamondbacks 7
Ted Lilly       Dodgers      8
Ross Detwiler   Nationals    9
Jeff Suppan     Padres       6
Cory Luebke     Padres       5
Kyle Kendrick   Phillies     6
Vance Worley    Phillies     7
Mike Leake      Reds         9
Jeremy Guthrie  Rockies      8

I think they all deserve to be included.

 

[tzill]

What change in the list would you expect to see?

Dunno. But it would leave out peripheral guys who aren't really part of their respective staffs. Might not change anything, but it'd be a better ranking.

 

[tzill]

OK tzill, here are the pitchers who would not make your cut:

Name            team         starts
Tim Hudson      Braves       7
Marco Estrada   Brewers      6
Chris Volstad   Cubs         8
Wade Miley      Diamondbacks 7
Ted Lilly       Dodgers      8
Ross Detwiler   Nationals    9
Jeff Suppan     Padres       6
Cory Luebke     Padres       5
Kyle Kendrick   Phillies     6
Vance Worley    Phillies     7
Mike Leake      Reds         9
Jeremy Guthrie  Rockies      8

I think they all deserve to be included.

Interesting. So if you kept the inning requirement as is, and raised the GS to a minimum of 5, the rankings wouldn't change at all?