MHSL82's Team Awards at the All-Star Break

[MHSL82]

Most Valuable Player: Gordon Hayward
MVP Runnerup: Derrick Favors
3rd Place MVP: Rudy Gobert
Honorable Mention: Rodney Hood (A healthy Alec Burks would challenge)

Sixth Man Award: Trey Burke
Sixth Man Runnerup: Alec Burks (Pro-Rating his season)
Honorable Mention: Trevor Booker (Volume Production)

Defensive Player of the Team: Rudy Gobert
Runnerup: Derrick Favors (His blocks and steals are underrated)

Most Deserving of an Award (Unmentioned): Rodney Hood (Honorable Mention doesn't count)
Runnerup: Raul Neto

Clutch Player: Gordon Hayward or Rodney Hood? Or Derrick Favors (not just points)?
Rookie of the Year: Trey Lyles or Raul Neto?

 

[MHSL82]

MVP

Game 1: Detroit: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Rudy Gobert
Game 2: Philadelphia: Rudy Gobert, Derrick Favors, Alec Burks
Game 3: Indiana: Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert, Rodney Hood
Game 4: Portland: Alec Burks, Derrick Favors, Trey Burke
Game 5: Denver: Gordon Hayward, Trevor Booker, Alec Burks
Game 6: Memphis: Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke, Derrick Favors
Game 7: Cleveland: Rudy Gobert, Alec Burks, Derrick Favors
Game 8: Miami: Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward
Game 9: Orlando: Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke, Jeff Withey
Game 10: Atlanta: Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert, Alec Burks
Game 11: Toronto: Derrick Favors, Rodney hood, Gordon Hayward
Game 12: Toronto: Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Trey Burke
Game 13: Oklahoma City: Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Raul Neto
Game 14: Los Angeles Clippers: Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Raul Neto
Game 15: New Orleans: Trevor Booker, Alec Burks, Rudy Gobert
Game 16: Golden State: Derrick Favors, Gordon Hayward, Alec Burks
Game 17: Orlando: Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke
Game 18: Indiana: Derrick Favors, Trey Burke, Gordon Hayward
Game 19: Sacramento: Gordon Hayward, Alec Burks, Derrick Favors
Game 20: New York: Gordon Hayward, Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 21: Oklahoma City: Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke, Derrick Favors
Game 22: Oklahoma City: Alec Burks, Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward
Game 23: San Antonio: Jeff Whithey, Joe Ingles, Raul Neto
Game 24: New Orleans: Derrick Favors, Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke
Game 25: Denver Nuggets: Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Trevor Booker
Game 26: Phoenix: Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood
Game 27: Golden State: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Jeff Whithey
Game 28: Los Angeles Clippers: Gordon Hayward, Raul Neto, Rodney Hood
Game 29: Philadelphia: Gordon Hayward, Jeff Whithey, Trey Burke
Game 30: Minnesota: Trey Burke, Jeff Whithey, Trevor Booker
Game 31: Portland: Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke
Game 32: Memphis: Rodney Hood, Jeff Whithey, Gordon Hayward
Game 33: Houston: Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward, Jeff Whithey
Game 34: San Antonio: Trey Burke, Gordon Hayward, Jeff Whithey
Game 35: Houston: Trey Lyles, Gordon Hayward, Trevor Booker
Game 36: Miami: Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Chris Johnson
Game 37: Los Angeles Lakers: Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Rudy Gobert
Game 38: Portland: Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Trey Burke
Game 39: Sacramento: Gordon Hayward, Trey Lyles, Rudy Gobert
Game 40: Los Angeles Lakers: Rudy Gobert, Trey Lyles, Gordon Hayward
Game 41: Charlotte: Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Trey Burke
Game 42: New York: Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert
Game 43: Brooklyn: Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Trevor Booker
Game 44: Detroit: Rudy Gobert, Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood
Game 45: Charlotte: Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Trevor Booker
Game 46: Minnesota: Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert, Trevor Booker
Game 47: Chicago: Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Derrick Favors
Game 48: Denver: Derrick Favors, Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert
Game 49: Milwaukee: Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert, Rodney Hood
Game 50: Phoenix: Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Rodney Hood
Game 51: Dallas: Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors
Game 52: New Orleans: Derrick Favors, Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert

MVP Tally
1: Gordon Hayward (19), Derrick Favors (13), Rodney Hood (5), Rudy Gobert (4), Alec Burks (3), Trey Burke (2), Trevor Booker (1), Jeff Whithey (1), Trey Lyles (1)
2: Gordon Hayward (12), Rudy Gobert (9), Rodney Hood (6), Derrick Favors (5), Alec Burks (5), Trey Burke (4), Jeff Whithey (3), Trey Lyles (2), Raul Neto (1), Trevor Booker (1), Joe Ingles (1)
3: Trey Burke (8), Rudy Gobert (7), Gordon Hayward (6), Derrick Favors (6), Rodney Hood (5), Trevor Booker (5), Jeff Withey (4), Alec Burks (4), Raul Neto (3), Chris Johnson (1)

Giving them 3 points for first place, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd, here are the season totals:.

Gordon Hayward: 87 (Per 82: 137)
Derrick Favors: 55 (Per 82: 129)
Rudy Gobert: 37 (Per 82: 95)
Rodney Hood: 32 (Per 82: 52.5)
Alec Burks: 23 (Per 82: 67)
Trey Burke: 22 (Per 82: 37)
Jeff Withey: 13 (Per 82: 28)
Trevor Booker: 10 (Per 82: 16)
Trey Lyles: 7 (Per 82: 11.5)
Raul Neto: 5 (Per 82: 8)
Joe Ingles: 2 (Per 82: 3)

# of Games They Have Shown Up in Top Three
Gordon Hayward: 37/52 (71.2%)
Derrick Favors: 24/35 (68.6%)
Rudy Gobert 20/32 (62.5%)
Alec Burks: 12/28 (42.9%)
Trey Burke: 14/49 (28.6%)
Jeff Withey: 8/38 (21.1%)
Rodney Hood: 16/50
Trevor Booker: 7/50
Raul Neto: 4/51
Elijah Millsap: 0/20
Trey Lyles: 3/50
Joe Ingles: 1/51

 

[MHSL82]

Sixth Man

Game 1: Detroit: Alec Burks, Joe Ingles
Game 2: Philadelphia: Trey Burke, Alec Burks
Game 3: Indiana: Trey Burke, Joe Ingles
Game 4: Portland: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 5: Denver: Trevor Booker, Alec Burks
Game 6: Memphis: Trey Burke, Alec Burks
Game 7: Cleveland: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 8: Miami: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 9: Orlando: Trey Burke, Jeff Withey
Game 10: Atlanta: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 11: Toronto: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 12: Toronto: Trey Burke, Alec Burks
Game 13: Oklahoma City: Jeff Withey, Chris Johnson
Game 14: Los Angeles Clippers: Alec Burks, Trey Lyles
Game 15: New Orleans: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 16: Golden State: Alec Burks, Trevor Booker
Game 17: Orlando: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 18: Indiana: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 19: Sacramento: Alec Burks, Trevor Booker
Game 20: New York: Alec Burks, Trey Burke
Game 21: Oklahoma City: Trey Burke, Alec Burks
Game 22: Oklahoma City: Elijah Millsap, Trey Burke
Game 23: San Antonio: Jeff Whithey, Joe Ingles
Game 24: New Orleans: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 25: Denver Nuggets: Trevor Booker, Trey Burke
Game 26: Phoenix: Trevor Booker, Trey Burke
Game 27: Golden State: Jeff Whithey, Trey Burke
Game 28: Los Angeles Clippers: Joe Ingles, Trevor Booker
Game 29: Philadelphia: Trey Burke, Elijah Millsap
Game 30: Minnesota: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 31: Portland: Trey Burke, Joe Ingles
Game 32: Memphis: Trevor Booker, Trey Burke
Game 33: Houston: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 34: San Antonio: Trey Burke, Joe Ingles
Game 35: Houston: Trevor Booker, Chris Johnson
Game 36: Miami: Trey Burke, Jeff Whithey
Game 37: Los Angeles Lakers: Trevor Booker, Chris Johnson
Game 38: Portland: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 39: Sacramento: Trey Burke, Joe Ingles
Game 40: Los Angeles Lakers: Trey Burke, Jeff Whithey
Game 41: Charlotte: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 42: New York: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker
Game 43: Brooklyn: Trevor Booker, Trey Burke
Game 44: Detroit: Derrick Favors, Joe Ingles
Game 45: Charlotte: Trevor Booker, Chris Johnson
Game 46: Minnesota: Trevor Booker, Trey Burke
Game 47: Chicago: Trey Burke, Joe Ingles
Game 48: Denver: Trevor Booker, Trey Lyles
Game 49: Milwaukee: Trey Lyles, Joe Ingles
Game 50: Phoenix: Trevor Booker, Joe Ingles
Game 51: Dallas: Chris Johnson, Trey Lyles
Game 52: New Orleans: Trevor Booker, Chris Johnson

Sixth Man Tally
1: Trey Burke (20), Trevor Booker (12), Alec Burks (12), Jeff Whithey (2), Trey Lyles (1), Chris Johnson (1), Derrick Favors (1), Joe Ingles (1), Elijah Millsap (1)
2: Trey Burke (15), Trevor Booker (10), Joe Ingles (10), Alec Burks (5), Chris Johnson (4), Jeff Withey (3), Trey Lyles (3), Elijah Millsap (1)

When giving 2 points for first and 1 point for second, here are the season totals:

Trey Burke: 55 (Per 82: 92)
Trevor Booker: 34 (Per 82: 58)
Alec Burks: 29 (Per 82: 95)
Joe Ingles: 12 (Per 82: 19)
Jeff Withey: 7 (Per 82: 20)
Chris Johnson: 6 (Per 82: 12)
Trey Lyles: 5 (Per 82: 20)
Elijah Millsap: 3 (Per 82: 12)
Derrick Favors: 2 (Per 82: 82*)

# of Games They Have Shown Up in Top Two
Trey Burke: 35/49 (71.4%)
Alec Burks: 17/25 (68.0%)
Trevor Booker: 22/48 (45.8%)
Joe Ingles: 11/51 (21.6%)
Trey Lyles: 4/21 (19.0%)
Jeff Withey: 5/29 (17.2%)
Chris Johnson: 5/42 (11.9%)
Elijah Millsap: 2/20 (10.0%)
Tibor Pleiss: 0/12 (0.0%)
Derrick Favors: 1/2 (50.0%*)

 

[nuraman00]

For games that are blowout losses, does there have to be a MVP? Sometimes yes, but sometimes everyone sucks.

 

[nuraman00]

I would swap Favors and Hayward in their MVP placement. A swingman can't be a MVP shooting 43%. That's just one criterion against him.

 

[MHSL82]

For games that are blowout losses, does there have to be a MVP? Sometimes yes, but sometimes everyone sucks.

I go game by game. It accumulates. And yes, there has to be an MVP every game, because Least Bad Player isn't a good category.

I would swap Favors and Hayward in their MVP placement. A swingman can't be a MVP shooting 43%. That's just one criterion against him.

Thanks, but you're wrong.

Just kidding. I go game by game and there have been times where I will put a player who shot poorly but in volumes below in the rankings. There are times where I felt one player or another sparked the game winning stretch and gave them the MVP. I listed three and weighed them because I didn't want to deal with hard decisions. Even then, games like the Celtics last night, I wanted to list Neto in the Top Three of MVPs for the night, but my formula I use valued Favors, Gobert, and Hayward more for the game overall by a significant amount. I did like Neto's performance, but would I really go four-deep on an MVP list on a given night?

 

[MHSL82]

I would swap Favors and Hayward in their MVP placement. A swingman can't be a MVP shooting 43%. That's just one criterion against him.

Derrick Favors started out really well and ended well but in the middle either was injured or didn't play as well (could be related to injury).

That's not to dispute what you said, just an observation of mine.

 

[nuraman00]

I go game by game. It accumulates. And yes, there has to be an MVP every game, because Least Bad Player isn't a good category.



Thanks, but you're wrong.

Just kidding. I go game by game and there have been times where I will put a player who shot poorly but in volumes below in the rankings. There are times where I felt one player or another sparked the game winning stretch and gave them the MVP. I listed three and weighed them because I didn't want to deal with hard decisions. Even then, games like the Celtics last night, I wanted to list Neto in the Top Three of MVPs for the night, but my formula I use valued Favors, Gobert, and Hayward more for the game overall by a significant amount. I did like Neto's performance, but would I really go four-deep on an MVP list on a given night?

Thanks.

I do think "No MVP" is a valid conclusion, for some games.

 

[nuraman00]

Would you ever give two players co-MVPs for a game?

 

[MHSL82]

Would you ever give two players co-MVPs for a game?

No, I force myself to make a decision, with the consolation that the second-place still gets two points and the third-place still gets one and that I feel the whole season will add up to something reasonable. I might call an audible after all that and go with someone else than the points leader, but for midseason awards, I feel I should stick with the formula. I think I did the opposite last year and picked someone I thought was playing the best at the break, but then reasoned that over an 82 game season, the points would be supported.

I do prorate at the end where I pretend everyone played 82 games. What I do is see what the average points per mention is and divide that by how many games played and multiply that by 82. For example, if someone scored 72 points in 48 times mentioned in 70 games, I would say that was 1.5 points per mention and divide 1.5 by 48/70 and multiply that by 82.

Yes, I am being silly. I would just divide 72 points by 70 games and multiply that by 82.

 

[MHSL82]

I would swap Favors and Hayward in their MVP placement. A swingman can't be a MVP shooting 43%. That's just one criterion against him.

By the way, if you look at the summary of the game by game post, Derrick Favors was on pace for 129 of my points system and Hayward is 137. Favors could overtake Hayward even in my system. Let's start tonight! Though I probably should try to remain neutral in my game-by-game voting.

 

[MHSL82]

Not that my system is important or anything, but what do you think if I gave Burke the Sixth Man award with his bad shooting? What if I gave it to Burks because he pro-rated well, but was injured so much. I kind of feel that Neto should be eligible, though he starts. Booker disappointed early but is coming on strong, but that's not good for the pro-rate since he played all those disappointing games early instead of say, missing them due to injury.

Also, I understand a lot of the impact of players isn't statistical and it doesn't always show up in the recaps, gameday threads, or box scores (yes, I consult all three before voting, unfortunately not on this site, though I am trying to get people to come here). Let's say a bench player scores 2 points on 1-8 shooting but the 2 points was a buzzer beater to win the game? What if he had also had 6 assists? 7 TOs? A negative +/-? Good man on man defense? (Well, that precludes Burke, one of the only bench players I would ever expect taking/hitting a game-winner unless it's a Booker put-back. But you know what I mean, hypothetically.)

 

[nuraman00]

Yes, I am being silly.

You, never!

 

[nuraman00]

By the way, if you look at the summary of the game by game post, Derrick Favors was on pace for 129 of my points system and Hayward is 137. Favors could overtake Hayward even in my system. Let's start tonight! Though I probably should try to remain silly.

I agree.

 

[nuraman00]

Not that my system is important or anything, but what do you think if I gave Burke the Sixth Man award with his bad shooting? What if I gave it to Burks because he pro-rated well, but was injured so much. I kind of feel that Neto should be eligible, though he starts. Booker disappointed early but is coming on strong, but that's not good for the pro-rate since he played all those disappointing games early instead of say, missing them due to injury.

Also, I understand a lot of the impact of players isn't statistical and it doesn't always show up in the recaps, gameday threads, or box scores (yes, I consult all three before voting, unfortunately not on this site, though I am trying to get people to come here). Let's say a bench player scores 2 points on 1-8 shooting but the 2 points was a buzzer beater to win the game? What if he had also had 6 assists? 7 TOs? A negative +/-? Good man on man defense? (Well, that precludes Burke, one of the only bench players I would ever expect taking/hitting a game-winner unless it's a Booker put-back. But you know what I mean, hypothetically.)

Burke has played 51 vs. Burks 28 games. Burke gets the edge. If it was within 9 games at the ASB, then go with the better player regardless of games played.

 

[nuraman00]

Since you like calculating stuff, how many ppg does Favors have to average for him to take the lead from Hayward?

Favors is the team's best scorer, him taking the team lead in ppg would just make it statistically officially.

Scoring isn't the thing that Hayward is best at, anyways.

 

[nuraman00]

Since you like calculating stuff, how many ppg does Favors have to average for him to take the lead from Hayward?

Favors is the team's best scorer, him taking the team lead in ppg would just make it statistically officially.

Scoring isn't the thing that Hayward is best at, anyways.

MHSL82, bump?