if ecr/adp were depth charts (rb)

[averagejoe]

Below is the ECR (Expert Consensus Rankings) for each team as of today June 19, 2022.

RK PLAYER NAME TEAM POS
30 James Conner ARI RB15
162 Darrel Williams ARI RB55
337 Eno Benjamin ARI RB98
356 Keaontay Ingram ARI RB103

91 Cordarrelle Patterson ATL RB35
168 Tyler Allgeier ATL RB56
229 Damien Williams ATL RB69

50 J.K. Dobbins BAL RB23
155 Gus Edwards BAL RB53
259 Mike Davis BAL RB73
355 Tyler Badie BAL RB102

81 Devin Singletary BUF RB32
104 James Cook BUF RB39
247 Zack Moss BUF RB70
321 Duke Johnson Jr. BUF RB89

2 Christian McCaffrey CAR RB2
171 D'Onta Foreman CAR RB57
203 Chuba Hubbard CAR RB62

32 David Montgomery CHI RB16
157 Khalil Herbert CHI RB54
305 Darrynton Evans CHI RB83

8 Joe Mixon CIN RB7
225 Samaje Perine CIN RB68
349 Chris Evans CIN RB101

22 Nick Chubb CLE RB12
74 Kareem Hunt CLE RB29
250 D'Ernest Johnson CLE RB71
334 Jerome Ford CLE RB96
486 Demetric Felton Jr. CLE RB134

38 Ezekiel Elliott DAL RB18
77 Tony Pollard DAL RB31
457 Rico Dowdle DAL RB129

24 Javonte Williams DEN RB13
87 Melvin Gordon III DEN RB34
461 Mike Boone DEN RB130

11 D'Andre Swift DET RB8
136 Jamaal Williams DET RB47
424 Craig Reynolds DET RB118
430 Jermar Jefferson DET RB120

18 Aaron Jones GB RB11
58 AJ Dillon GB RB25
422 Kylin Hill GB RB117

145 Dameon Pierce HOU RB50
173 Marlon Mack HOU RB58
263 Rex Burkhead HOU RB74
448 Dare Ogunbowale HOU RB127

1 Jonathan Taylor IND RB1
115 Nyheim Hines IND RB43
290 Phillip Lindsay IND RB81

48 Travis Etienne Jr. JAC RB22
123 James Robinson JAC RB45
381 Snoop Conner JAC RB107

65 Clyde Edwards-Helaire KC RB27
107 Ronald Jones II KC RB40
268 Jerick McKinnon KC RB76
389 Derrick Gore KC RB110
391 Isaih Pacheco KC RB111
442 Jerrion Ealy KC RB124

3 Austin Ekeler LAC RB3
139 Isaiah Spiller LAC RB49
326 Joshua Kelley LAC RB92

37 Cam Akers LAR RB17
122 Darrell Henderson Jr. LAR RB44
316 Kyren Williams LAR RB87

42 Josh Jacobs LV RB20
206 Kenyan Drake LV RB63
256 Zamir White LV RB72
414 Brandon Bolden LV RB116
435 Sincere McCormick LV RB122
446 Ameer Abdullah LV RB126

76 Chase Edmonds MIA RB30
131 Raheem Mostert MIA RB46
154 Sony Michel MIA RB52
213 Myles Gaskin MIA RB65
312 Salvon Ahmed MIA RB86

5 Dalvin Cook MIN RB5
110 Alexander Mattison MIN RB41
375 Kene Nwangwu MIN RB106
443 Ty Chandler MIN RB125

70 Damien Harris NE RB28
101 Rhamondre Stevenson NE RB38
151 James White NE RB51
322 Pierre Strong Jr. NE RB90
407 Kevin Harris NE RB115

15 Alvin Kamara NO RB9
192 Mark Ingram II NO RB60
397 Abram Smith NO RB113
436 Tony Jones Jr. NO RB123

26 Saquon Barkley NYG RB14
306 Matt Breida NYG RB84
470 Jashaun Corbin NYG RB133

43 Breece Hall NYJ RB21
98 Michael Carter NYJ RB37
282 Ty Johnson NYJ RB78
325 Tevin Coleman NYJ RB91
462 Zonovan Knight NYJ RB131

63 Miles Sanders PHI RB26
138 Kenneth Gainwell PHI RB48
219 Boston Scott PHI RB67
433 Kennedy Brooks PHI RB121

4 Najee Harris PIT RB4
451 Benny Snell Jr. PIT RB128

84 Ken Walker III SEA RB33
92 Rashaad Penny SEA RB36
202 Chris Carson SEA RB61
395 DeeJay Dallas SEA RB112

53 Elijah Mitchell SF RB24
212 Trey Sermon SF RB64
264 Jeff Wilson Jr. SF RB75
271 Tyrion Davis-Price SF RB77
427 JaMycal Hasty SF RB119

17 Leonard Fournette TB RB10
175 Rachaad White TB RB59
287 Ke'Shawn Vaughn TB RB80
318 Giovani Bernard TB RB88

7 Derrick Henry TEN RB6
310 Hassan Haskins TEN RB85
366 Dontrell Hilliard TEN RB105

39 Antonio Gibson WAS RB19
114 J.D. McKissic WAS RB42
216 Brian Robinson Jr. WAS RB66
335 Jaret Patterson WAS RB97

 

[averagejoe]

For grins, here are the current Free Agents:

RK PLAYER NAME TEAM POS
285 Justin Jackson FA RB79
296 David Johnson FA RB82
328 Latavius Murray FA RB93
330 Devontae Booker FA RB94
332 Malcolm Brown FA RB95
339 Devonta Freeman FA RB99
340 Wayne Gallman Jr. FA RB100
358 Tarik Cohen FA RB104
383 Carlos Hyde FA RB108
386 Jordan Howard FA RB109
402 Le'Veon Bell FA RB114
466 Jeremy McNichols FA RB132

 

[averagejoe]

Both KC and LV have 6 RB each on the list.
For reference, not even SF (who generally lead the league in revolving door RB) has as many (5).
Gives you a warm-fuzzy feeling knowing that the job could fall to anyone on those teams.

 

[wilwhite]

Allgeier way underrated IMO.

 

[TREFF]

Good stuff Joe!

Personally, I don't get the ADP of the Miami and Houston.
I understand the hopeful bets placed on D. Pierce, even though I think he's most likely 'fools gold'.. kind of a stretch to go into camp expecting a day 1 starter to emerge from a 4th round pick in a light draft that only had 2 guys with any real expectations in it. I think he's still gotta beat out Burkhead and that is no given, by any means. But the bigger surprise to me is Marlon Mack, who wasn't all that great before he blew his achillies. In no way shape or form can I see him being a better asset than Burkhead. Some still project him as the starter, which I just don't understand.

And then there's the utter CF in Miami. Clearly Michel is the best pure RB on the roster, which isn't saying much. And, Mostert is likely the best fit and coach's favorite as they try to bring that SF system to the southern East coast, obviously hes not long for the job IF he gets it though. So why is Edmonds being the first RB taken? I have Edmonds in a fight for #3 with Gaskins, and truth be told, if I had to lay down a wager, my money is on Gaskins winning that battle. Does Edmonds play special teams? Cuz if he doesn't, I'm not even sold on his roster spot, let alone winning the starters job. If I'm draft a Dolphins RB, I'm taking Michel

 

[averagejoe]

And then there's the utter CF in Miami.

Waddle does seem like the real deal. And they did bring in Tyreek. Does this downfield threat open up the run game? For me, Flores got the most out of the Dolphins as a team last year. Do they maintain that under a new regime?

I guess those are the million dollar questions. Not sure I want to invest to find out.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Allgeier way underrated IMO.

temper your expectations for a guy that needed to be 22yrs old playing against 18 and 19yr olds in order to dominate at the college level.

Badie has pretty much an identical profile (maybe better?) and is on a much much better team/offense, with the incumbent starters coming off ACL/LCL and ACL injuries and his ADP is 2x as high

Wouldn't give either more than ~10% chance at being fantasy relevant this season, and that might be generous. Happy to let others roster those players if I can get a guy like Darrel Williams in the same spot on draft day, who's proven he can do it in the league and is on a fast paced offense that scores pts

 

[TREFF]

temper your expectations for a guy that needed to be 22yrs old playing against 18 and 19yr olds in order to dominate at the college level.

Badie has pretty much an identical profile (maybe better?) and is on a much much better team/offense, with the incumbent starters coming off ACL/LCL and ACL injuries and his ADP is 2x as high

Wouldn't give either more than ~10% chance at being fantasy relevant this season, and that might be generous. Happy to let others roster those players if I can get a guy like Darrel Williams in the same spot on draft day, who's proven he can do it in the league and is on a fast paced offense that scores pts

And he didn't exactly 'dominate' then either

 

[TREFF]

Waddle does seem like the real deal. And they did bring in Tyreek. Does this downfield threat open up the run game? For me, Flores got the most out of the Dolphins as a team last year. Do they maintain that under a new regime?

I guess those are the million dollar questions. Not sure I want to invest to find out.

In theory, yes, it should, assuming they prove not only willing, but capable, of taking and hitting those shots. No one is playing back just because Reek is there, at least not consistently.

But even if it does open up, it's still a CF, currently, as to the who. I just wouldn't bank on it being Edmonds...imho, he's the 4th best back on that team, certainly not the assumed starter

 

[SmokingMonkey]

In theory, yes, it should, assuming they prove not only willing, but capable, of taking and hitting those shots. No one is playing back just because Reek is there, at least not consistently.

But even if it does open up, it's still a CF, currently, as to the who. I just wouldn't bank on it being Edmonds...imho, he's the 4th best back on that team, certainly not the assumed starter

how fun would that team have been to watch this year with Brady as their QB/"GM in waiting" after landing Tyreek!

Tua gets a chance to prove all the doubters wrong, they'd be foolish to stick with him if he doesn't perform this year with the cast they've assembled. RB situation sucks for fantasy, but all 5 guys could work if their passing game is clicking. Gaskins and Ahmed would both be RB3 upgrades on a lot of teams and they are clearly the 4th and 5th options in MIA, imo

 

[TREFF]

how fun would that team have been to watch this year with Brady as their QB/"GM in waiting" after landing Tyreek!

Tua gets a chance to prove all the doubters wrong, they'd be foolish to stick with him if he doesn't perform this year with the cast they've assembled. RB situation sucks for fantasy, but all 5 guys could work if their passing game is clicking. Gaskins and Ahmed would both be RB3 upgrades on a lot of teams and they are clearly the 4th and 5th options in MIA, imo

Yes, Brady with Reek, Waddle and Geisiki would have been very interesting. crazy how close the rumors make it seem to have been reality.

Yea they sure would be. I think the true battles are Mostert/Michel, and Gaskins/Edmonds. Maybe I'm a bit harsh on Edmonds and he can be better than Gaskins..maybe

 

[leftypower]

Just looking at some of the potential #2/3 backs. Think Chris Evans supplants Perine as #2 in Cincy. No idea what to think of MIA or HOU (could be a complete re-shuffle - want no part of either). Snell could very easily lose out to McFarland or one of the rooks as #2. Davis-Price could leapfrog both Sermon and Wilson for #2.. Ebner could easily move up to #3 above D. Evans in CHI,

 

[Bandit]

Good stuff Joe!

Personally, I don't get the ADP of the Miami and Houston.
I understand the hopeful bets placed on D. Pierce, even though I think he's most likely 'fools gold'.. kind of a stretch to go into camp expecting a day 1 starter to emerge from a 4th round pick in a light draft that only had 2 guys with any real expectations in it. I think he's still gotta beat out Burkhead and that is no given, by any means. But the bigger surprise to me is Marlon Mack, who wasn't all that great before he blew his achillies. In no way shape or form can I see him being a better asset than Burkhead. Some still project him as the starter, which I just don't understand.

And then there's the utter CF in Miami. Clearly Michel is the best pure RB on the roster, which isn't saying much. And, Mostert is likely the best fit and coach's favorite as they try to bring that SF system to the southern East coast, obviously hes not long for the job IF he gets it though. So why is Edmonds being the first RB taken? I have Edmonds in a fight for #3 with Gaskins, and truth be told, if I had to lay down a wager, my money is on Gaskins winning that battle. Does Edmonds play special teams? Cuz if he doesn't, I'm not even sold on his roster spot, let alone winning the starters job. If I'm draft a Dolphins RB, I'm taking Michel

This is why:

According to Over the Cap, Edmonds' deal with the Dolphins is expected to be for $12.6 million over two seasons, with $6.1 million guaranteed and $4.1 million in the form of a signing bonus.

They are not paying a running back $6 million a year to play special teams. Now if you want to argue that the contract they gave him was stupid that's fine, but he won't be on the sidelines making that kind of money. Here are the cap hits of the Dolphins running backs:

Edmonds $5,500,000
Gaskin $2,561,777
Mostert $1,936,765
Michel $1,750,000
Ahmed $895,000

 

[SmokingMonkey]

This is why:

According to Over the Cap, Edmonds' deal with the Dolphins is expected to be for $12.6 million over two seasons, with $6.1 million guaranteed and $4.1 million in the form of a signing bonus.

They are not paying a running back $6 million a year to play special teams. Now if you want to argue that the contract they gave him was stupid that's fine, but he won't be on the sidelines making that kind of money. Here are the cap hits of the Dolphins running backs:

Edmonds $5,500,000
Gaskin $2,561,777
Mostert $1,936,765
Michel $1,750,000
Ahmed $895,000

That's a lot of money for gaskins to watch on Sundays. With only ~$22k dead cap hit, he seems like an easy trade for a 6th rd pick if any team is interested

 

[TREFF]

This is why:

According to Over the Cap, Edmonds' deal with the Dolphins is expected to be for $12.6 million over two seasons, with $6.1 million guaranteed and $4.1 million in the form of a signing bonus.

They are not paying a running back $6 million a year to play special teams. Now if you want to argue that the contract they gave him was stupid that's fine, but he won't be on the sidelines making that kind of money. Here are the cap hits of the Dolphins running backs:

Edmonds $5,500,000
Gaskin $2,561,777
Mostert $1,936,765
Michel $1,750,000
Ahmed $895,000

When games matter, I never put any stock in who makes more money, as it will almost always come down to who gives the best chance to win. They could pay Edmonds Zeke money and he may still ride pine when it matters.

Salary to dictate a potential depth chart is a reasonable method at this point in the year I guess, but when the season begins, about all it MIGHT guarantee is a roster spot, depending on how expensive it is to cut a dude.

Patriots paid Bledsoe, at the time I believe he was the highest paid player in the NFL but I could be wrong, to watch Tom Brady play. And a list of similar examples could go on forever

 

[MilkSpiller22]

When games matter, I never put any stock in who makes more money, as it will almost always come down to who gives the best chance to win. They could pay Edmonds Zeke money and he may still ride pine when it matters.

Salary to dictate a potential depth chart is a reasonable method at this point in the year I guess, but when the season begins, about all it MIGHT guarantee is a roster spot, depending on how expensive it is to cut a dude.

Boy do I disagree. I know. Milk disagrees with Treff. Surprise!!!!

But imo money and draft stock generally means how long a players leash is when they struggle. And whether the injured player comes back to get his role back.

Sure money and draft stock doesn’t mean anything for a players results. But it definitely means something to owners and coaches. They don’t want to admit to be wrong.

Biggest reason why I am avoiding Elijah Mitchell in all drafts.

 

[TREFF]

Boy do I disagree. I know. Milk disagrees with Treff. Surprise!!!!

But imo money and draft stock generally means how long a players leash is when they struggle. And whether the injured player comes back to get his role back.

Sure money and draft stock doesn’t mean anything for a players results. But it definitely means something to owners and coaches. They don’t want to admit to be wrong.

Biggest reason why I am avoiding Elijah Mitchell in all drafts.

Actually that's not all that much of a disagreement as it is a conditional explanation

Sure higher pay or higher draft status affords you more chance, you get the first opportunities and probably a second or third chance . You stl end up getting splinters in your ass when someone else on the team outplays you. Nothing proves coaches wrong than W/L records

 

[TREFF]

And truth be told, you can disagree all you like, doesn't change reality and historical fact, that that is the bare bones truth about how it goes down more often than not

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Actually that's not all that much of a disagreement as it is a conditional explanation

Sure higher pay or higher draft status affords you more chance, you get the first opportunities and probably a second or third chance . You stl end up getting splinters in your ass when someone else on the team outplays you. Nothing proves coaches wrong than W/L records

Of course. But because we are talking about fantasy ball. And with fantasy you can not play with hindsight. Imo you have to take into account money and draft stock. As it tells you more than not who will have the first chances and who will have the longer leash.

I mean. I guess though there are not many examples of players not on top of ecr and salary(or draft status).

So it might be a moot argument.

 

[Bandit]

When games matter, I never put any stock in who makes more money, as it will almost always come down to who gives the best chance to win. They could pay Edmonds Zeke money and he may still ride pine when it matters.

Salary to dictate a potential depth chart is a reasonable method at this point in the year I guess, but when the season begins, about all it MIGHT guarantee is a roster spot, depending on how expensive it is to cut a dude.

Patriots paid Bledsoe, at the time I believe he was the highest paid player in the NFL but I could be wrong, to watch Tom Brady play. And a list of similar examples could go on forever

So in most cases, that happens because a guy was brought in or drafted by the previous coaching staff. But Edmonds was paid this year by this staff so obviously they like him a lot more than the other guys they gave less money too. Right now I think if you asked the staff of the Dolphins the touches would split about 50% for Edmonds, 20% for Mostert, 20% for Michel, and 10% for Gaskin and Ahmed in their ideal situation.