Head Coach records without HOF QBs

[Moab]

what was it?
20 consecutive winning seasons.

Landry made Meredith & Danny White better football players. Great offensive football HOF coaches like Landry and Bill Walch are more where I was going than a great defensive HOF coach like Belichick.

i think I derailed this with HOF coach.

You do know he was actually a defensive coach before getting the HC job in Dallas, right?

 

[PDay8810]

You do know he was actually a defensive coach before getting the HC job in Dallas, right?

flex defense was Tom but it was his offensive innovations he's most known for.

 

[wilwhite]

If I were dropping guys into slots, I'd put Harbaugh with the Chargers (who need the jolt) and Vrabel with Washington (who have a chance to build a good foundation).

 

[Schmoopy1000]

If I were dropping guys into slots, I'd put Harbaugh with the Chargers (who need the jolt) and Vrabel with Washington (who have a chance to build a good foundation).

I think if Vrabel was available.
He would be perfect for the Pats.
With his connections & all that there to boot.

 

[sonnyblack65]

I think if Vrabel was available.
He would be perfect for the Pats.
With his connections & all that there to boot.

100% and he was recently put into the Patriots HOF and chummed it up with Kraft, while in Foxborough

 

[shopson67]

Regular-season records of active HCs when a current or future HOF QB doesn't start for them (minimum 90 such games coached):

Shanahan 114-64 .640
Reid (w/o Mahomes) 183-122-1 .600
Pederson 60-42-1 .587
Harbaugh (w/o Lamar) 102-79 .564
Vrabel 53-45 .541
Rivera 102-102 .500
Carroll (w/o Wilson) 65-67 .492
Belichick (w/o Brady) 83-100 .454

Honorable mention, since talk is hot:
Jim Harbaugh 44-19-1 .695!!!

Chicken or the egg discussion. Do those QBs become HOFers without a great head coach?

Are we really calling Russell Wilson a future HOFer? Do those Belichick numbers include Bledsoe?

Jim Harbaugh had black-balled HOFer Colin Kaepernick....

 

[wilwhite]

Chicken or the egg discussion. Do those QBs become HOFers without a great head coach?

Are we really calling Russell Wilson a future HOFer? Do those Belichick numbers include Bledsoe?

Jim Harbaugh had black-balled HOFer Colin Kaepernick....

Yes, the Belichick numbers include Bledsoe.

The point is that you have to have 90 games without a HOF QB to make the list, so the chicken-and-egg question goes away.

Shanahan and Reid don't need a HOF QB, Belichick does.

Wilson's HOF chances are probably worse now than two years ago, but he's still likely in I think. Overrated IMO.

 

[shopson67]

Shanahan and Reid don't need a HOF QB, Belichick does.

Depends on what you consider success; regular season wins or championships?

 

[wilwhite]

Depends on what you consider success; regular season wins or championships?

There's only one active coach with a championship w/o a HOF or possible HOF QB - Doug Pederson, who won with Wentz and Foles.

Regular season wins w/o a HOF QB for 90+ games tells you a lot.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

maybe the HOF coaches had something to do with being a HOF QB. I think it's safe to say Staubach gave credit to "the man with the hat". Looks like Aikman feels the same with Jimmy. I bet Montana and Young tips their hat towards the Genius.

maybe I don't understand the point of he thread.

to besmirch BB

 

[shopson67]

There's only one active coach with a championship w/o a HOF or possible HOF QB - Doug Pederson, who won with Wentz and Foles.

Regular season wins w/o a HOF QB for 90+ games tells you a lot.

John Harbaugh in 2012, unless you have Flacco or Tyrod going to the HOF

 

[Stakesarehigh]

mike Vrabel being fired is weird.

 

[wilwhite]

to besmirch BB

I don't have anything against BB - he's a good coach and I personally think he's hysterically funny. But I couldn't help but notice how much he struggled without Brady, and then I remembered that he didn't win all that much before Brady.

Tom Brady helped in two ways - first because his play was elite, and second because his contracts were always reasonable and therefore his teams could put together better rosters.

 

[wilwhite]

John Harbaugh in 2012, unless you have Flacco or Tyrod going to the HOF

True. And Harbaugh is very solid on the list in the first post.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I don't have anything against BB - he's a good coach and I personally think he's hysterically funny. But I couldn't help but notice how much he struggled without Brady, and then I remembered that he didn't win all that much before Brady.

Tom Brady helped in two ways - first because his play was elite, and second because his contracts were always reasonable and therefore his teams could put together better rosters.

I think he's a dick and his self worth is highly inflated because he landed TB.

I also think he's a very good coach and at best mediocre GM who got blew over every good GM decision he made because he had TB.

He's a great defensive mind as evidenced by this year. And a not so good offensive one. Thus...his weakness was propped up by having the best qb ever.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Harbaugh (w/o Lamar) 102-79 .564

Harbaugh without Jackson or Flacco?

 

[wilwhite]

Harbaugh without Jackson or Flacco?

Unless Flacco takes the Browns to a championship this year, he has no shot at the HOF.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Unless Flacco takes the Browns to a championship this year, he has no shot at the HOF.

Vrabel is on the list. Who was his HOF QB?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Something devious about how fast the narratives have flipped on Reid and Belichick in short order.

Just happy Reid gets some credit now that he has rings on his fingers.

 

[PDay8810]

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