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Marshal. Who else is there?can you refresh my memory on when Pace, Fox, Fangio, and Gase worked together? Not clear on when that happened.
Also, just out of curiosity, who do you think our best player is?
Marshal. Who else is there?can you refresh my memory on when Pace, Fox, Fangio, and Gase worked together? Not clear on when that happened.
Also, just out of curiosity, who do you think our best player is?
But lest we forget, when Trestman was hired, a few who worked with him personally (like Jim Harbaugh and Rich Gannon) had nothing but glowing praise for Tresty. While some may have similar thoughts about Fox and the staff, let's not put the plow before horse. Maybe we could put the plow next to the horse?
Cubzzzfanincali, I get the level of pessimism you're showing to an extent. It is really hard to be optimistic when we were so much so with Trestman and we all see where that dumpster fire ended. Sheesh. I also agree that long term, in my book, as I see it, Fox isn't the answer. I said it in the other thread, high floor low ceiling guy who can right the ship but probably not take it all the way to the promised land. I watched Fox in Carolina, it wasn't pretty at the end.
But, I really am really excited about the Fangio hire, the Bears picked up arguably one of the best D coaches in the NFL. I'm still amazed over this hire. Couple him with Fox, toss in a decent coordinator on O, should be ok, if Pace doesn't screw up drafting and Free Agency, in fact this should be amazing.
I hope Fangio and company can take Fox over the top... Interesting to see if it is with Cutler or not.
Fox isn't the answer. I said it in the other thread, high floor low ceiling guy who can right the ship but probably not take it all the way to the promised land.
He has had 2 HC jobs and both jobs has lead to a SB. So saying he can't get us there is confusing to me.
He has had 2 HC jobs and both jobs has lead to a SB. So saying he can't get us there is confusing to me.
He has had 2 HC jobs and both jobs has lead to a SB. So saying he can't get us there is confusing to me.
For me it was Cutleresque. Both Cutler and Delhomme were turnover machines. I'm just saying he can get us there.Yea, I hear you. I have more respect for Coach Fox taking Carolina to the SB with Jake Delhomme, but I have a harder time saying his great coaching took Peyton Manning to the SB. Also, it wasn't long after the SB run in Carolina that the Panthers went 2-14, with the same coach. Um...
It hasn't all been roses with him. BUT, I do like the Fangio hire, this could end up being huge.
I'm conflicted, which is one reason why I say I understand the pessimism. To me, Coach Fox appears to be the perfect candidate for turning this team around. But, then there is the can't win a SB stuff, yea he got teams there, but couldn't win the big one, and when he wasn't going to the SB he had bad seasons, 8-8, 2-14 etc... Very Lovieesque.
Manning earned the right to call his own plays. Cutler clearly has not. If they Keep Jay(strike one) if they let him call plays (strike 2). My whole judgement on this staff will come down to what we do with Cutler.One other thought on this....clearly, Fox and Gase allowed Manning A LOT of liberty to run the offense in Denver. Presuming we stick with Jay, you would have to think the Bears would do something similar here. I don't know, but I would read that as something like the Bears saying to Cutler "Jay, we have tried it about every way out there, we have used several different coordinators, and none of it works. Here are the car keys. We are giving you parents that mostly will let you do what you want within reason."
Isn't something like this logical? If so, it is basically his last chance. What else can this team do with the guy?
I don't know, do you think Cutler will have more success with this than Peyton Manning did?
Here's my take on this, for what it's worth. Fox "took" the team to the playoffs three years in a row, and for my money they were the most talent-laden of the lot in the last 2 of 3. First year, he pretty much coached them to a loss in the Ravens playoff game. That's not just my opinion, a lot of the folks in denver felt that way. The Super Bowl loss, well, that was pretty much an all-around Denver collapse, you can't pin that just on him, but certainly when your entire team blows the game so badly, some of that has to fall back on the coaching staff. This year, again, they did not have a particularly effective strategy for the playoff loss. Now, it isn't Fox's fault that Manning was completely (and uncharacteristically) inaccurate in that game. But, as one example, why they continued to focus on the long-range passing game is a question for somebody in Denver, even after it was clear Manning was off that game and that approach wasn't working.
Now, I don't entirely blame Fox for that...word has it that he was pretty much a delegating type of coach who handed a lot of the details off to his coordinators (and Manning of course). But at some point, the coach has to step in somewhere when things aren't going right and change course.))).....
I agree to a point. But Manning calls or changes the play every down. I don't get why he kept trying passes he must have known he could not hit. I blame Manning for that reason, and the injury to him but not the coaching.
Cali,
those are all great points and all make sense. My concern is how he basically let Manning take over that offense, is Jay gonna think he can just call all the plays too, will he get lassood in? Its the same fox and same Gase that manning took advantage of.
There was also a pre hire comment from cutler that he didnt even remember who gase was. Lets hope a
boot up his ass reminds him.
I know their is some pessimism from some if us, but...
Fox et. al. is better than Trestman and his lot of shitty assistants. This can only get better, and I truly believe the Bears will be poised for a PO run in two seasons.