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[Retroram52]

They end the race on a wreck. Keselowski wins it!

 

[Retroram52]

Truex and Allmendinger take out a few more cars. Harvick wrecks. This was nothing but a high-speed demolition derby.

 

[bksballer89]

Crazy race

 

[Retroram52]

Indeed bksballer!

 

[pitman]

It came down to the only car left on track won. What a shit show

 

[pitman]

Well shit, I actually had a decent finish between Chase and McMurray.

Mine was not as bad as i thought.
40th
3rd
16th
9th

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

Well, if you watch racing for the wrecks then you enjoyed this garbage. If you like racing this was, as Pitman said, a shitshow. Just freaking terrible.

 

[Rex Racer]

Well, if you watch racing for the wrecks then you enjoyed this garbage. If you like racing this was, as Pitman said, a shitshow. Just freaking terrible.

And the powers that be at NASCAR think that restrictor plates make it safer

 

[Retroram52]

The reasoning that NASCAR uses, Rex Racer is so ridiculously stupid it defies any reasonable logic and that idiot Brian France is so in over his head, he simply does like the proverbial stork and puts head up his ass and ignores the problems restrictor plate racing has fostered. I'd like to bitch-slap the bastard until he doesn't know what day it is.

 

[wildturkey]

And the powers that be at NASCAR think that restrictor plates make it safer

Kinda hard to blame NASCAR for this one. It's really on the fans. They bitched to high heaven about the tandem drafting so they went back to this setup entirely because of the backlash. The large packs will always result in tons of wrecks but its what people claim they wanted, not the spread out stuff you saw with tandem drafts. At least with tandem drafting, there was strategy involved of who to pair up with and where to go even if it did look a bit silly for two cars to push each other for laps and laps.

The plates do make it safer though. The cars are just too unstable to run at a track that size unrestricted with the engine package. You could add tons of drag to the aero side of things to slow them down that way but the end results are gonna be the same; you're going to bunch them up. A quarter inch plate over the manifold is a hell of a lot cheaper than redesigning bodies too.

 

[4down20]

Kinda hard to blame NASCAR for this one. It's really on the fans. They bitched to high heaven about the tandem drafting so they went back to this setup entirely because of the backlash. The large packs will always result in tons of wrecks but its what people claim they wanted, not the spread out stuff you saw with tandem drafts. At least with tandem drafting, there was strategy involved of who to pair up with and where to go even if it did look a bit silly for two cars to push each other for laps and laps.

The plates do make it safer though. The cars are just too unstable to run at a track that size unrestricted with the engine package. You could add tons of drag to the aero side of things to slow them down that way but the end results are gonna be the same; you're going to bunch them up. A quarter inch plate over the manifold is a hell of a lot cheaper than redesigning bodies too.

I would like to see them go back to the Earnhardt Sr package. You still get the big bunched up stuff which is pretty much unavoidable, but due to the higher drag it really makes a big difference on the runs they get and passing. It increased the strength of the draft it seemed like.

But the drivers bitched about it, so I doubt it'll ever happen again.

 

[bksballer89]

Kinda hard to blame NASCAR for this one. It's really on the fans. They bitched to high heaven about the tandem drafting so they went back to this setup entirely because of the backlash. The large packs will always result in tons of wrecks but its what people claim they wanted, not the spread out stuff you saw with tandem drafts. At least with tandem drafting, there was strategy involved of who to pair up with and where to go even if it did look a bit silly for two cars to push each other for laps and laps.

The plates do make it safer though. The cars are just too unstable to run at a track that size unrestricted with the engine package. You could add tons of drag to the aero side of things to slow them down that way but the end results are gonna be the same; you're going to bunch them up. A quarter inch plate over the manifold is a hell of a lot cheaper than redesigning bodies too.

Tandem drafting was awful. Those races were so boring. I prefer pack racing.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[Blitzville]

Restrictor plate = bunched up, no engine response, eliminates the skill of the driver. Let off the throttle and it won't slow down, punch it and it does nothing for 1/2 a lap. It sucks. It's like watching a horse race where the horses are being choked. They did it for "safety" and to "save money" - mya$$! How many millions were wrecked? It's all about sucking in fans for the money.

You know what? Give them smaller engines that breathe normally. Make it about the drivers, not the cars.

 

[wildturkey]

Restrictor plate = bunched up, no engine response, eliminates the skill of the driver. Let off the throttle and it won't slow down, punch it and it does nothing for 1/2 a lap. It sucks. It's like watching a horse race where the horses are being choked. They did it for "safety" and to "save money" - mya$$! How many millions were wrecked? It's all about sucking in fans for the money.

You know what? Give them smaller engines that breathe normally. Make it about the drivers, not the cars.

If you're getting rid of the restrictor plate due to throttle response and thinking that will help, you're wasting your time. You don't lift at Daytona or Dega because the tracks are massive and their banking is set up in such as way to where you can just hold it flat out all the way around so its not that big of a variable. Going to a smaller engine wouldn't help. It'd just be the same as a restrictor plate (you're reducing speeds due to less horsepower) except NASCAR would have have to spend a lot more money to develop a smaller engine specific for those two tracks. The reason the cars bunch up is because at reduced speeds, they don't have enough power to overcome the air they are pushing through (also why drafting is beneficial). You'd have to increase power to do this so you'd have to A)have bigger engines or B)run unrestricted. A) isn't happening for cost reasons and its unnecessary. And B) isn't going to happen because its too dangerous. 3000+ lb cars going 230+mph with fractions the amount of downforce of Indycars (the only other oval cars that run that speed) are unstable, bordering on undrivable. You'd have to put full aero kits on them just to keep them on the ground.

So they are really just stuck with one solution; play with the drag using various aero settings. Like I said earlier, they successfully unbunched the pack with a package that brought about tandems once drivers played around and figured out how to move through the field. But fans rejected it (yet they bitch about cars wrecking all the time too. Go figure). They could mess around with it some more to make a "pushing" car unstable behind a car, but this will lead to single file races with multi-second gaps in between each car and I guarantee everyone will cry out how boring that is if they do something like it.

It boils down to this; those two tracks are too damn big. But they aren't going anywhere. So fans need to ask themselves do they like strung out cars that might produce a more "boring" but safer event or a pack of cars that is far more dangerous but more exciting. You can't have it both ways.